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Post by havenless on Aug 20, 2022 2:33:30 GMT
I felt the CGI was dramatically better than the trailers let on. Either they were fixing it right up to the last minute or they purposely avoided the best shots of Jen in promotion material… Like that’s about as good as tv show cgi can realistically be expected, and so much better than the trailers
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 20, 2022 2:46:06 GMT
I felt the CGI was dramatically better than the trailers let on. Either they were fixing it right up to the last minute or they purposely avoided the best shots of Jen in promotion material… Like that’s about as good as tv show cgi can realistically be expected, and so much better than the trailers I have to disagree. The CGI is better than the trailers, true, but there's still a pretty big difference between Hulk's CGI and She-Hulk's.
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Post by Power Ranger on Aug 20, 2022 3:56:25 GMT
Why doesn’t she concentrate whilst she’s driving? No wonder she crashed. She could have avoided that space ship if she was paying attention. Female empowerment my ass. They’re saying that women are bad drivers.
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Post by Power Ranger on Aug 20, 2022 13:54:44 GMT
I finished ep 1. Aside from the jokes about flatulence and belching, it was tolerable. The bathroom scene was cringe due to the ‘or him, or them’ line which was extremely inorganic and I don’t care for Ruffalo nor Banner’s depiction (why would Banner physically try to prevent her from leaving? He isn’t some kind of thug). So even though I don’t trust the writers at all because the writing was horrible, this could still be the best of the Marvel shows. She looks good as She-Hulk and they didn’t mess around with a long origin story. So let’s hope we get some good She-Hulk action from here. I’ll keep an open mind.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 20, 2022 23:36:10 GMT
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 21, 2022 1:25:52 GMT
I honestly don't get why this clip is causing so much drama online.
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Post by Power Ranger on Aug 21, 2022 2:34:52 GMT
I honestly don't get why this clip is causing so much drama online. The critics have suggested that all of the traumas Bruce has been through as being insignificant to that of being a woman as a ludicrous concept. It doesn’t bother me as I just think she’s incorrect. Characters can be wrong.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 21, 2022 4:15:56 GMT
I honestly don't get why this clip is causing so much drama online. It's not the worst thing ever but you have to admit it was some pretty heavy-handed, pandering messaging that made for an awkard and cringey dialogue.
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Post by Power Ranger on Aug 21, 2022 10:24:00 GMT
I honestly don't get why this clip is causing so much drama online. It's not the worst thing ever but you have to admit it was some pretty heavy-handed, pandering messaging that made for an awkard and cringey dialogue. Subtlety is not prioritised in a Disney+ screenplay.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Aug 21, 2022 17:41:57 GMT
God, ever since the 2015 Mad Max movie, we keep hearing all these “this movie/show/video game/comic is woke feminist/LGBT/anti-white propaganda” takes from angry nerds with YouTube channels. It’s gotten so exhausting at this point.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 21, 2022 18:48:55 GMT
I honestly don't get why this clip is causing so much drama online. The only thing that could be a critic of it, is that she can`t know how much anger Bruce holds in. Nobody can know how angry another person is, and just because she is a woman, does not mean she holds in more anger than Bruce, of course its perfectly possible that she does. But to assume she does because she is a woman, is silly because nobody knows how much anger another person holds in. She may hold in more anger than Bruce, and Bruce may hold in more anger than Jennifer. The lines does feel like pandering, but to get mad about it, is just silly.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 21, 2022 19:03:47 GMT
I honestly don't get why this clip is causing so much drama online. The only thing that could be a critic of it, is that she can`t know how much anger Bruce holds in. Nobody can know how angry another person is, and just because she is a woman, does not mean she holds in more anger than Bruce, of course its perfectly possible that she does. But to assume she does because she is a woman, is silly because nobody knows how much anger another person holds in. She may hold in more anger than Bruce, and Bruce may hold in more anger than Jennifer. The lines does feel like pandering, but to get mad about it, is just silly. I think complaining about the scene is completely valid as it's a very poorly thought-out dialogue. Raging about it, on the other hand, is silly. We've seen worse scenes in cbms. Though to be fair, insisting there was nothing wrong with the scene is just as silly.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Aug 21, 2022 20:15:50 GMT
The only thing that could be a critic of it, is that she can`t know how much anger Bruce holds in. Nobody can know how angry another person is, and just because she is a woman, does not mean she holds in more anger than Bruce, of course its perfectly possible that she does. But to assume she does because she is a woman, is silly because nobody knows how much anger another person holds in. She may hold in more anger than Bruce, and Bruce may hold in more anger than Jennifer. The lines does feel like pandering, but to get mad about it, is just silly. I think complaining about the scene is completely valid as it's a very poorly thought-out dialogue. Raging about it, on the other hand, is silly. We've seen worse scenes in cbms. Though to be fair, insisting there was nothing wrong with the scene is just as silly. I agree
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 21, 2022 21:24:11 GMT
The series premiere did not impress me, maybe the sitcom approach would appear fresh and unique if not for a lot of recent Marvel Studios content being pretty heavy on the humor already, but even if it were the depiction of Jennifer Walters isn't someone, I can find myself legitimately latching onto as a lead for a series because they come across as too narcissistic and cold to my liking. The moment where she tells Banner that she has to deal with more stress on a regular basis felt like a slap in the face for a longtime fan of the Hulk character, and even for one who knows just everything from the movies - Banner nearly killed the people closest to him after he first transformed (Opening to The Incredible Hulk, for reference), he was on the run for a long time because he was being hunted by the special forces and had to try and cure or get a hold on his destructive and monstrous alter ego, he attempted suicide and failed due to the heavy baggage of it all (A deleted scene in The Incredible Hulk, referenced in the original Avengers film), he co-created an artificial intelligence that almost destroyed the Earth, he was mind-controlled into tearing up half of a city, he shot himself into outer space because he didn't want to risk harming those around him, when he finally got the Hulk figured out the green guy could not emerge when they were really needed in Infinity War, he lost several friends and family members for five years, helped save the universe at the cost of a friend and the destruction of his arm, etc...Really, his cousin has no right to say that to his face, and I couldn't believe the writers thought this sort of thing would make audiences like her more.
Why couldn't they have treated things like it were in the comic books? Have Bruce Banner take the matter seriously, constantly warning his cousin about the dangers of being a hulk, and making it his mission to keep her on the island till he found a cure, but she rather embraces the whole thing, wants to use it to help people, and thinks being a superhero would help her professional career out more. Why not go with this approach?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2022 22:04:28 GMT
It seems to me that modern writers are clueless as to how to write female protagonists that are complex and absolutely terrified to write them as flawed. I don’t mind the gender politic stuff- I know women can relate to her words so I’m not going to be critical of that bit. But this character is just not interesting so far. When characters have no room to grow or change, especially in the superhero genre, it gets old fast.
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Post by stryker on Aug 22, 2022 14:38:40 GMT
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 22, 2022 15:37:34 GMT
absolutely terrified to write them as flawed. That may be the truest thing you've said since "It's a trap!". This is a huge problem all across Hollywood. They are making lots of woman and minority heroes but they are afraid to make them anything other than 2 dimensional. If they have no personal flaws to deal with they will never be among the great characters in movies. On the rare occasions that they do give a woman/minority character real flaws (Scarlett Witch) the results can be fantastic, but they are too afraid of what people will say to do it very often.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 16:08:41 GMT
absolutely terrified to write them as flawed. That may be the truest thing you've said since "It's a trap!". This is a huge problem all across Hollywood. They are making lots of woman and minority heores but they are afraid to make them anything other than 2 dimensional. If they have no personal flaws to deal with they will never be among the great characters in movies. On the rare occasions that they do give a woman/minority character real flaws (Scarlett Witch) the results can be fantastic, but they are too afraid of what people will say to do it very often. But do you think that this is an issue that is present in the MCU? Captain Marvel? She Hulk?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 22, 2022 16:27:18 GMT
That may be the truest thing you've said since "It's a trap!". This is a huge problem all across Hollywood. They are making lots of woman and minority heores but they are afraid to make them anything other than 2 dimensional. If they have no personal flaws to deal with they will never be among the great characters in movies. On the rare occasions that they do give a woman/minority character real flaws (Scarlett Witch) the results can be fantastic, but they are too afraid of what people will say to do it very often. But do you think that this is an issue that is present in the MCU? Captain Marvel? She Hulk? Yes it is present in the MCU, although I would say to a somewhat lesser degree than some other places. However, the rest of Phase IV and Phase V could see big problems if they succumb to this fear.
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Post by Skaathar on Aug 22, 2022 16:39:03 GMT
But do you think that this is an issue that is present in the MCU? Captain Marvel? She Hulk? Yes it is present in the MCU, although I would say to a somewhat lesser degree than some other places. However, the rest of Phase IV and Phase V could see big problems if they succumb to this fear. I think it's been a problem in the MCU since the beginning. Look at characters like Black Widow, Wasp, Gamora, Valkyrie, Okoye, Peggy Carter, etc. None of them really have any flaws, and all of them are cut and paste from the same sassy and capable femme fatale model that the MCU uses. The only reason it wasn't noticed as much in the beginning was because we didn't have females in leading roles before. Now that more and more women are spearheading their own shows (which is a good thing), we start noticing just how 2-dimensional majority of MCU's female characters are (which is a bad thing). Like you said, the best MCU female characters have been the ones that had flaws. Wanda, Jessica Jones, Nebula, Hela, Daisy Johnson, Kate Bishop, Yelena, etc. They have the most personalities because the MCU took the chance to actually make them flawed which makes them more realistic and relatable.
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