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Post by msdemos on Aug 18, 2022 20:26:24 GMT
For those who believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in his assassination of John F. Kennedy, what are some of the things that sometimes do make you wonder if maybe there might have been a conspiracy ?? SAVE FERRIS
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 19, 2022 8:40:03 GMT
Well the obvious one:
He was killed by Jack Ruby.
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Post by strawdawg on Aug 19, 2022 15:13:36 GMT
I agree. Oswald could not be left around to talk. He was taken care of fast.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 21, 2022 5:36:00 GMT
Well the obvious one: He was killed by Jack Ruby. That's always been a bit weird to me, but I pretty much have come to accept the explanation that Ruby thought he'd be treated as a hero for doing it.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 24, 2022 23:14:24 GMT
Well the obvious one: He was killed by Jack Ruby. Oswald was supposed to be turned over to the US Government and charged with Kennedy's murder at 9 am on November 24th. If Ruby was to silence Oswald, was he at Dallas PD? No he was home. Dallas PD kept LHO for another two hours to interrogate again at the last minute. Ruby never left home until much later when a stripper asked for a loan. At any second he could have been turned over to the US and that would be that. Sorry, but if I have Jack Ruby online to shut LHO up, I'm going to have him down there well before 9 am.
Also, every one who knew Ruby said he was a big mouth. No way to have him in a conspiracy
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 24, 2022 23:25:14 GMT
Well the obvious one: He was killed by Jack Ruby. Oswald was supposed to be turned over to the US Government and charged with Kennedy's murder at 9 am on November 24th. If Ruby was to silence Oswald, was he at Dallas PD? No he was home. Dallas PD kept LHO for another two hours to interrogate again at the last minute. Ruby never left home until much later when a stripper asked for a loan. At any second he could have been turned over to the US and that would be that. Sorry, but if I have Jack Ruby online to shut LHO up, I'm going to have him down there well before 9 am.
Also, every one who knew Ruby said he was a big mouth. No way to have him in a conspiracy
My answer was in reply to the OP's question. Oswald being shot by Jack Ruby is probably what started the conspiracy theories in the first place. I don't really buy into the conspiracy although I think there is enough smoke around the case that if it was ever confirmed that Kennedy was killed as result of a conspiracy, I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 24, 2022 23:36:12 GMT
Oswald was supposed to be turned over to the US Government and charged with Kennedy's murder at 9 am on November 24th. If Ruby was to silence Oswald, was he at Dallas PD? No he was home. Dallas PD kept LHO for another two hours to interrogate again at the last minute. Ruby never left home until much later when a stripper asked for a loan. At any second he could have been turned over to the US and that would be that. Sorry, but if I have Jack Ruby online to shut LHO up, I'm going to have him down there well before 9 am.
Also, every one who knew Ruby said he was a big mouth. No way to have him in a conspiracy
My answer was in reply to the OP's question. Oswald being shot by Jack Ruby is probably what started the conspiracy theories in the first place. I don't really buy into the conspiracy although I think there is enough smoke around the case that if it was ever confirmed that Kennedy was killed as result of a conspiracy, I wouldn't be surprised. I agree 100%. I'm a hard lone gunman guy. It's the story that crosses the most "T's". But, if actual proof came from a shot from the Grassy Knoll, i wouldn't be shocked.
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 25, 2022 15:35:58 GMT
Was there someone shooting from the Grassy Knoll? Was the "Badge Man" a real person or an optical illusion?
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 26, 2022 9:00:14 GMT
Was there someone shooting from the Grassy Knoll? Was the "Badge Man" a real person or an optical illusion? There are some witnesses who claim that some of the shots came from the grassy knoll but I think the majority heard the shots coming from the book depository. As for the "Badge Man", it was never confirmed to be a man. The House Select Committee on Assassinations that investigated the conspiracy claims and came to the conclusion that the Kennedy had been killed as a result of a conspiracy, sent the photo to be analyzed and they couldn't find any evidence that there it was a person.
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 26, 2022 9:03:29 GMT
My answer was in reply to the OP's question. Oswald being shot by Jack Ruby is probably what started the conspiracy theories in the first place. I don't really buy into the conspiracy although I think there is enough smoke around the case that if it was ever confirmed that Kennedy was killed as result of a conspiracy, I wouldn't be surprised. I agree 100%. I'm a hard lone gunman guy. It's the story that crosses the most "T's". But, if actual proof came from a shot from the Grassy Knoll, i wouldn't be shocked.
In theory, even if Oswald was the lone gunman, this doesn't exclude the possibility of a conspiracy. If he was acting under orders of someone else, it would be, by definition, a conspiracy.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 26, 2022 10:32:53 GMT
I agree 100%. I'm a hard lone gunman guy. It's the story that crosses the most "T's". But, if actual proof came from a shot from the Grassy Knoll, i wouldn't be shocked.
In theory, even if Oswald was the lone gunman, this doesn't exclude the possibility of a conspiracy. If he was acting under orders of someone else, it would be, by definition, a conspiracy. Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons. He was a nobody, just lugging boxes of textbooks until he sees in the newspaper that the leader of all anti-Marxism is going to pass right underneath him and his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. I think he went up to the 6th Floor, looked out the window and seen it all in his mean little mind and thought "why not..."
It does seem far fetched that such a nobody could make such a mark on history. Until you think of John Wilkes Booth, Gavrilo Princip and a handful of others.
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Post by Winter_King on Aug 26, 2022 10:52:22 GMT
In theory, even if Oswald was the lone gunman, this doesn't exclude the possibility of a conspiracy. If he was acting under orders of someone else, it would be, by definition, a conspiracy. Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons. He was a nobody, just lugging boxes of textbooks until he sees in the newspaper that the leader of all anti-Marxism is going to pass right underneath him and his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. I think he went up to the 6th Floor, looked out the window and seen it all in his mean little mind and thought "why not..."
It does seem far fetched that such a nobody could make such a mark on history. Until you think of John Wilkes Booth, Gavrilo Princip and a handful of others.
Gavrilo Princip mark on history is insane. I mean WW1, would've probably happened anyway but we are still living in a world that feels the consequences of his actions.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 26, 2022 11:16:56 GMT
Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons. He was a nobody, just lugging boxes of textbooks until he sees in the newspaper that the leader of all anti-Marxism is going to pass right underneath him and his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. I think he went up to the 6th Floor, looked out the window and seen it all in his mean little mind and thought "why not..."
It does seem far fetched that such a nobody could make such a mark on history. Until you think of John Wilkes Booth, Gavrilo Princip and a handful of others.
Gavrilo Princip mark on history is insane. I mean WW1, would've probably happened anyway but we are still leaving in a world that feels the consequences of his actions. It's surreal to think of the millions that died from the two World Wars and countless other was started by an unknown Austrian automobile driver taking a wrong turn and putting Franz Ferdinand right in Princip's gun sights. The war probably was inevitable but would it have taken the course it did if it had been started in 1916? Or 1915? Or in October, 1914?
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 26, 2022 19:02:58 GMT
Was there someone shooting from the Grassy Knoll? Was the "Badge Man" a real person or an optical illusion? There are some witnesses who claim that some of the shots came from the grassy knoll but I think the majority heard the shots coming from the book depository. As for the "Badge Man", it was never confirmed to be a man. The House Select Committee on Assassinations that investigated the conspiracy claims and came to the conclusion that the Kennedy had been killed as a result of a conspiracy, sent the photo to be analyzed and they couldn't find any evidence that there it was a person. I don't personally believe there was a second gunman in the Grassy Knoll. If you analyze the Abraham Zapruder film frame by frame, Kennedy moves forward for less than one second (at frame 315) and then back and to the left. The physics would indicate the third shot came from behind, and then the limousine sped up shortly after. Also, there were no bullet recovered near the assassination scene that would indicate a different rifle was used. The 1968 Ramsey Clark report concluded Kennedy was shot twice from behind. I'm still interested in the "Badge Man" theory, but unfortunately, there's not a lot of visual information to glean from Mary Moorman's photograph. I personally think it's an optical illusion. Supposedly, there was a bottle on the retaining wall, but it could be light reflecting off the trees.
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 2, 2022 12:39:09 GMT
In theory, even if Oswald was the lone gunman, this doesn't exclude the possibility of a conspiracy. If he was acting under orders of someone else, it would be, by definition, a conspiracy. Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons.
There's a lot of oddities about all that though. The Marxist parties in the area barely knew who Oswald was. Marxists generally don't go in for assassinations as it's seen as an ineffectual way to bring about political change. How many Marxists are friends with people like de Mohrenschildt? How come Oswald and his wife were allowed to return to the USA after defecting to the USSR at the height of the Cold War? Not saying there aren't problems with the conspiracy theories on the topic, but I think there's enough issues with the official version of 'lone Marxist nut' to leave quite a bit of doubt.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 2, 2022 12:51:27 GMT
Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons.
There's a lot of oddities about all that though. The Marxist parties in the area barely knew who Oswald was. Marxists generally don't go in for assassinations as it's seen as an ineffectual way to bring about political change. How many Marxists are friends with people like de Mohrenschildt? How come Oswald and his wife were allowed to return to the USA after defecting to the USSR at the height of the Cold War? Not saying there aren't problems with the conspiracy theories on the topic, but I think there's enough issues with the official version of 'lone Marxist nut' to leave quite a bit of doubt. There is also the issue of man who identified himself as Lee Harvey Oswald reportedly being in Mexico at the Soviet and Cuban embassy weeks before the assassination. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/jfk-assassination-lee-harvey-oswald-mexico-116195/
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 2, 2022 14:33:21 GMT
Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons.
There's a lot of oddities about all that though. The Marxist parties in the area barely knew who Oswald was. Marxists generally don't go in for assassinations as it's seen as an ineffectual way to bring about political change. How many Marxists are friends with people like de Mohrenschildt? How come Oswald and his wife were allowed to return to the USA after defecting to the USSR at the height of the Cold War? Not saying there aren't problems with the conspiracy theories on the topic, but I think there's enough issues with the official version of 'lone Marxist nut' to leave quite a bit of doubt. The basic fact is that Oswald was a nobody. Less than a nobody. He was allowed back in the US because the government was convinced he gave the Soviets nothing of value when he defected. And it was a minor propaganda coup when he came back. "See, Communism sucks so much he came back to the good ol' USA". De Mohrenschildt was playing both ends against the middle. He played both the CIA and the Communists just to get favorable dealing for the Oil companies he worked for. And a lot of his contact with Oswald was for the benefit of one of his assistants. Just for the reason that this associate had the hots for Marina. when he found she wasn't interested, that was it. If Oswald was working for Castro, there would have been more contacts than Oswald knocking on the door of the Mexico City embassy once.
There will always be doubts but not enough to convince me.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 2, 2022 14:39:49 GMT
There's a lot of oddities about all that though. The Marxist parties in the area barely knew who Oswald was. Marxists generally don't go in for assassinations as it's seen as an ineffectual way to bring about political change. How many Marxists are friends with people like de Mohrenschildt? How come Oswald and his wife were allowed to return to the USA after defecting to the USSR at the height of the Cold War? Not saying there aren't problems with the conspiracy theories on the topic, but I think there's enough issues with the official version of 'lone Marxist nut' to leave quite a bit of doubt. There is also the issue of man who identified himself as Lee Harvey Oswald reportedly being in Mexico at the Soviet and Cuban embassy weeks before the assassination. www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/jfk-assassination-lee-harvey-oswald-mexico-116195/ I can't buy the "Castro was behind it" theory. Did Oswald think he was aiding Castro and Cuba, certainly. Was he acting on orders from Havana, I don't think so. The somewhat secret agreements that ended the Cuban Missile Crisis had an agreement that the US would not try to kill Castro or try another Bay of Pigs. The Soviets backed this up and, for the most part, the US followed it. Had we found out that Castro was behind the assassination, we would have squashed Castro and Cuba like a bug. And the USSR would have done nothing to stop it. The game wasn't worth the prize.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 2, 2022 17:47:29 GMT
In theory, even if Oswald was the lone gunman, this doesn't exclude the possibility of a conspiracy. If he was acting under orders of someone else, it would be, by definition, a conspiracy. Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons. He was a nobody, just lugging boxes of textbooks until he sees in the newspaper that the leader of all anti-Marxism is going to pass right underneath him and his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. I think he went up to the 6th Floor, looked out the window and seen it all in his mean little mind and thought "why not..."
It does seem far fetched that such a nobody could make such a mark on history. Until you think of John Wilkes Booth, Gavrilo Princip and a handful of others.
He worked at that book depository? I had no idea. I was in 5th grade when this happened, and my parents shielded me from a lot of the news coverage. I had never read much about it - I was just sickened by the fact that JFK had been assassinated. But for some reason, this thread caught my eye. I am glad I read it.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Sept 2, 2022 21:28:54 GMT
Indeed. But who? Oswald was pretty much abandoned by everyone by November (except Momma). George de Mohrenschildt, the anti-Castro people, the USSR and Cuba, Marina. All the man had left was Karl Marx (the one constant in his life was his love of Marxism) and his own demons. He was a nobody, just lugging boxes of textbooks until he sees in the newspaper that the leader of all anti-Marxism is going to pass right underneath him and his Mannlicher-Carcano rifle. I think he went up to the 6th Floor, looked out the window and seen it all in his mean little mind and thought "why not..."
It does seem far fetched that such a nobody could make such a mark on history. Until you think of John Wilkes Booth, Gavrilo Princip and a handful of others.
He worked at that book depository? I had no idea. I was in 5th grade when this happened, and my parents shielded me from a lot of the news coverage. I had never read much about it - I was just sickened by the fact that JFK had been assassinated. But for some reason, this thread caught my eye. I am glad I read it. I was being born when JFK was shot. I came into this world 20 minutes after Kennedy left. I guess that's why I've been fascinated with the assassination. For a long time I was in the conspiracy camp. Not anymore.
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