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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 1, 2022 16:23:16 GMT
Look I completely agree, I have once read the gideon in a hotel room, and I am a Christian. And yes I think there should be a range of books available at hotels. My point is though that leaving the bible somewhere to read is not really pushing a religion, it is giving an opportunity to read, no one is being forced. Oh every hotel I have been in (and I go to a few) has brochures on what to do in the area  It's sheer marketing. Brochures are down by the common area and are for local experiences. Maybe political propaganda could be put in every room. Heck, it's reading material and no one has to read it. Or the NRA could put pro-gun materials there. Maybe Ayn Rand books, or Marx's Communist Manifesto. Good comparison of political propaganda and religious propaganda. But the Christians on this board won't see it, won't understand it. No critical thinking skills, just blind belief in their 'one true god'.
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 1, 2022 16:24:51 GMT
Putting aside the debate as to whether it's wrong or right to leave a Bible in a hotel room, I wonder how effective it is at actually getting converts? Do non-believers actually bother to pick them up?
I once found a copy of Jane Eyre left in an AirBNB and read it - became one of my favourite books!
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Post by The Lost One on Sept 1, 2022 16:26:04 GMT
or Marx's Communist Manifesto. Now there's an idea
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Post by Admin on Sept 4, 2022 22:52:50 GMT
But the Christians on this board won't see it, won't understand it. No critical thinking skills, just blind belief in their 'one true god'. Wow. Bigotry much?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2022 0:52:58 GMT
But the Christians on this board won't see it, won't understand it. No critical thinking skills, just blind belief in their 'one true god'. Wow. Bigotry much? Just the truth.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 5, 2022 1:05:25 GMT
I completely agree, I guess it is up to those religions to put the plan in action. The only reason it is the Gideon bible is that they put the effort in. Really if it was religion being forced in your analogy only the Gideon bible would be ALLOWED to be there, if that is the case then yes it needs to be changed, I don't think that is the case though. My point was, why do we NEED books on religion in hotel rooms? Why not novels? Or history? Or current events? And why take up space in the room? Couldn't every hotel lobby have a small library for the few individuals who aren't watching the TV or using their computer? I just think it is a waste of resources to focus on bibles in every hotel room when those resources could go towards a food bank or homeless shelter that deals with human physical needs in the here and now. The Hereafter can wait. I guess need is a hole 'nother question, I mostly was responding to the claim that it somehow violated freedom from religion, which it does not. The resources question is interesting, I guess that is a question for the gideon people.
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Post by Admin on Sept 5, 2022 1:48:28 GMT
That response only underscores your bigotry.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 5, 2022 8:35:22 GMT
That response only underscores your bigotry. Opinions vary.
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Post by Admin on Sept 5, 2022 21:52:53 GMT
That response only underscores your bigotry. Opinions vary. Truth doesn't.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 6, 2022 13:50:41 GMT
Truth according to you?Perhaps you should take up this discussion with the poster that I agreed with:Not debating today. I have other things to do.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 6, 2022 17:29:31 GMT
Putting aside the debate as to whether it's wrong or right to leave a Bible in a hotel room, I wonder how effective it is at actually getting converts? Do non-believers actually bother to pick them up? I once found a copy of Jane Eyre left in an AirBNB and read it - became one of my favourite books! I used to read the bible in hotel rooms sometimes before I was a Christian, it never moved me at all, I prefer the King James version. Honestly I think it's pretty useless in terms of conversions.
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Post by clusium on Sept 6, 2022 19:02:52 GMT
Putting aside the debate as to whether it's wrong or right to leave a Bible in a hotel room, I wonder how effective it is at actually getting converts? Do non-believers actually bother to pick them up? I once found a copy of Jane Eyre left in an AirBNB and read it - became one of my favourite books! I used to read the bible in hotel rooms sometimes before I was a Christian, it never moved me at all, I prefer the King James version. Honestly I think it's pretty useless in terms of conversions. True. There are far more ways to promote one's own faith than simply getting them to read the particular scripture (such as the Holy Bible) of said religion. Eg: Shia LaBeouf recently converted after staying at a monastery, in order to study for the role of St. Pio of Pietrelcina. Shia LaBeouf
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Post by gadreel on Sept 6, 2022 19:54:23 GMT
I used to read the bible in hotel rooms sometimes before I was a Christian, it never moved me at all, I prefer the King James version. Honestly I think it's pretty useless in terms of conversions. True. There are far more ways to promote one's own faith than simply getting them to read the particular scripture (such as the Holy Bible) of said religion. Eg: Shia LaBeouf recently converted after staying at a monastery, in order to study for the role of St. Pio of Pietrelcina. Shia LaBeouf Funny he said the same thing after playing bible in Fury. linkIm not sure how much that dude is together
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Post by Admin on Sept 6, 2022 20:28:53 GMT
Truth according to you?Perhaps you should take up this discussion with the poster that I agreed with:Not debating today. I have other things to do. No, truth according to you. Surely you remember saying that you were just speaking the truth when you said that I have no critical thinking skills and that my belief is blind. Your hit-and-run is not at all surprising. Bigots tend to do that when confronted. |
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Post by clusium on Sept 6, 2022 22:52:24 GMT
Truth according to you?Perhaps you should take up this discussion with the poster that I agreed with:Not debating today. I have other things to do. No, truth according to you. Surely you remember saying that you were just speaking the truth when you said that I have no critical thinking skills and that my belief is blind. Your hit-and-run is not at all surprising. Bigots tend to do that when confronted. You hit the nail on the head, with this one, Admin. rachelcarson1953 actually accused me recently of PROSELYTIZING to her, simply for responding to her inane views, here on this forum. 
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Post by Admin on Sept 6, 2022 23:24:15 GMT
No, truth according to you. Surely you remember saying that you were just speaking the truth when you said that I have no critical thinking skills and that my belief is blind. Your hit-and-run is not at all surprising. Bigots tend to do that when confronted. You hit the nail on the head, with this one, Admin. rachelcarson1953 actually accused me recently of PROSELYTIZING to her, simply for responding to her inane views, here on this forum. Yeah, I get that a lot, too. It usually goes something like this: Do you believe in God? - Yup. You're a moron. Stop shoving your religion down my throat.
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Post by clusium on Sept 6, 2022 23:38:49 GMT
You hit the nail on the head, with this one, Admin . rachelcarson1953 actually accused me recently of PROSELYTIZING to her, simply for responding to her inane views, here on this forum. Yeah, I get that a lot, too. It usually goes something like this: Do you believe in God? - Yup. You're a moron. Stop shoving your religion down my throat. Yeah, that's strange alright.
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Post by Admin on Sept 6, 2022 23:57:14 GMT
Yeah, I get that a lot, too. It usually goes something like this: Do you believe in God? - Yup. You're a moron. Stop shoving your religion down my throat. Yeah, that's strange alright. 
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 7, 2022 17:40:44 GMT
Truth according to you?Perhaps you should take up this discussion with the poster that I agreed with:Not debating today. I have other things to do. No, truth according to you. Surely you remember saying that you were just speaking the truth when you said that I have no critical thinking skills and that my belief is blind. Your hit-and-run is not at all surprising. Bigots tend to do that when confronted. As is your hit in response is not at all surprising. BTW, I was not referring to you individually when I said that Christians on this board have no critical thinking skills and that their belief is blind. But, to the main point: Bigotry. A small sampling of online dictionaries definition of what you accuse me of. I do not have a strong, obstinate, unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion or faction, or stubborn and complete intolerance or dislike of another person that believes differently than I do.I do object to someone who believes differently than I do, who tries to change my beliefs to conform to their belief.I never ask anyone if they believe in god, since I really don't want to know and don't care. People tell me what they believe without any prompting. And if I don't agree with them, they get pi$$y. And I generally state my desire to not be proselytized to. Though that doesn't seem to be very effective. Your posts, in this thread and others, can be characterized as confrontational, having a strong, unreasonable attachment to an opinion and a high degree of intolerance towards someone who believes differently and will not agree with your viewpoint. When things become accusatory, I generally go elsewhere. But I felt this instance needed to be commented on. Now, live long and prosper, go outside and enjoy the natural world around us all.
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Post by Admin on Sept 7, 2022 21:43:34 GMT
No, truth according to you. Surely you remember saying that you were just speaking the truth when you said that I have no critical thinking skills and that my belief is blind. Your hit-and-run is not at all surprising. Bigots tend to do that when confronted. As is your hit in response is not at all surprising. BTW, I was not referring to you individually when I said that Christians on this board have no critical thinking skills and that their belief is blind. But, to the main point: Bigotry. A small sampling of online dictionaries definition of what you accuse me of. I do not have a strong, obstinate, unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion or faction, or stubborn and complete intolerance or dislike of another person that believes differently than I do.I do object to someone who believes differently than I do, who tries to change my beliefs to conform to their belief.I never ask anyone if they believe in god, since I really don't want to know and don't care. People tell me what they believe without any prompting. And if I don't agree with them, they get pi$$y. And I generally state my desire to not be proselytized to. Though that doesn't seem to be very effective. Your posts, in this thread and others, can be characterized as confrontational, having a strong, unreasonable attachment to an opinion and a high degree of intolerance towards someone who believes differently and will not agree with your viewpoint. When things become accusatory, I generally go elsewhere. But I felt this instance needed to be commented on. Now, live long and prosper, go outside and enjoy the natural world around us all. Backpedaling doesn't turn the table, and the straw man isn't doing you any favors, but I can appreciate the desperation.
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