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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 29, 2017 2:49:03 GMT
Much like a previous post I made about Iron Man 2, I fucking love Age of Ultron. While Iron Man 2 had a ton of great subtleties about it, Age of Ultron is on the other side of the spectrum with a ton of awesomeness.
First, I don't watch trailers, and so when I first saw Ultron put the mind stone in the forehead of his new body, that was the first time I started to get excited about the possibility of Vision. I had no idea they were going to do that, and when Thor jumped onto his regeneration capsule to awaken vision, I went nuts. It was an absolutely perfect introduction to watch him come flying out, and the team's reaction that followed was perfect as well. Vision was unsure of what was happening and the team was unsure of what he was capable of. They thought they might have just awoken Ultron's perfect form, and then he picked up Thor's hammer. One of the greatest scenes in the entire MCU.
And speaking of great scenes. Hulk VS Hulkbuster, OMFG!. They had teased Veronica early in the movie but you didn't know what that meant. (Side note in case you had never heard this, they called it Veronica because of Betty Banner. It's a reference to Archie comics who's main female characters are Betty and Veronica. Kind of a cool reference there.) But when the team is down and out and Tony sees Hulk going wild in a city, you see him reach a legitimate point of desperation, and we soon figure out that Veronica is the Hulkbuster. Watching that thing fly down from orbit and hover above him as a source of reinforcements was one of the coolest things I've ever seen. And the fight afterwards was brilliant end to end, from Tony's dialogue about puny Banner, to the shockwave punch, to the demolition ending. Epically badass.
Now I want to touch on Banner and Black Widow's romance and how this was really a good touch in the film. First, go back and watch Avengers, and you can see where Widow's interest lies. The Hulk is one of her only true fears, and you can see it in her eyes when she is forced to confront him. And then she becomes the key to calming him down, forcing herself to confront her fears, and bonding on an extremely deep level with Banner. The trust between them is the most intense she's ever felt, and I can see why she wanted a relationship. HOWEVER, there is no real chemistry, because that trust is really all they have. They aren't compatible people, Bruce doesn't truly love her, and that's why he leaves. She misses the bond between them, but the overall angle here is extremely well conceived.
Then we have Ultron's creation. His confusion at birth was awesome to listen to, watching him try to figure out what was happening, and then quickly learning massive amounts of information. And the party scene? Again, one of the greatest scenes in the entire MCU that only gets better when Ultron finally crashes the party.
And then the way he ends it, raising a city to carry out an extinction event. Now for those who might not study these things, extinction events have happened throughout the history of life on Earth, and what happens is, the few small creatures who survive expand in population, and it's their decedents who can evolve in ways they couldn't before to take over the planet. This makes the idea of mass extinction for us a bit of an interesting proposal. Would the next stage in Ultron's view of the course of evolution be for an AI run world?
That awesome moment where Wanda realizes what's going on, and plays a huge roll in the scene that follows, with Hawkeye and Widow providing air support, and Steve doing enough to keep Ultron busy. I absolutely love the line where Hawkeye says he's no match for Ultron, and the entire fight he plays defense, just enough for Widow to get the job done. Great team work, and the epic ending with Wanda and Quicksilver doing their part.
Finding out the scepter was the mind stone, watching Sokovia get obliterated by Iron Man and Thor, the Scarlet Witch having a wonder character arc that ends with her being a complete badass, the best science bros montage, the little moments with characters like Helen Cho or Maria Hill, and Hulk flying off to a place we now know leads to Sakar. We don't know how he gets there, but how great has it been wondering what the fuck happened to him only for this to be the answer! Great stuff.
Just an amazingly fun movie filled with a ton of great moments.
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 29, 2017 3:23:40 GMT
As I posted a month or so back, I originally was disappointed with AoU. After I watched it again, I liked it quite a bit.
The only part I remember hating that I still do is the Black Widow-Hulk romance. I liked that it was trying to humanize Widow, but it was awkwardly written - not necessarily bad, just awkward. I have warmed to the action, which I originally didn't like. I even think the action is better here than the first one.
That being said, the first one is still a little better overall.
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Post by zoilus on May 29, 2017 3:39:12 GMT
It is an excellent movie. Just in case DC-Fan comes to criticize Quicksilver getting shot, The Flash (Barry Allen) got shot in the head once. He wasn't saving anyone. He wasn't distracted. He was looking right at the guy who shot him LOL what a moron!
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on May 29, 2017 4:38:58 GMT
Beautiful exchange.
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Post by Skaathar on May 29, 2017 12:45:05 GMT
I liked AoU, liked it even more than the first IM movie. Never really understood the hate people have for it. There are a few gripes i have with it however:
Treatment of Thor - Thor is almost a wallflower here. He's just I the background, even Hawkeye and Black Widow get more focus than him. And when you're part of the main 4 Avengers that just doesn't seem right.
Portrayal of Ultron - why did they think making Ultron into wise cracking robot was ok? He had the potential to be the next big mcu villain and they dropped the ball. His portrayal wasn't that bad but it could have been so much better.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 29, 2017 13:33:28 GMT
I liked AoU, liked it even more than the first IM movie. Never really understood the hate people have for it. There are a few gripes i have with it however: Treatment of Thor - Thor is almost a wallflower here. He's just I the background, even Hawkeye and Black Widow get more focus than him. And when you're part of the main 4 Avengers that just doesn't seem right. Portrayal of Ultron - why did they think making Ultron into wise cracking robot was ok? He had the potential to be the next big mcu villain and they dropped the ball. His portrayal wasn't that bad but it could have been so much better. I actually love Ultron's portrayal, so I don't see it as dropping the ball at all. There was even a line about where Ultron get's his personality from, which is Stark, which makes sense that's he'd be sarcastic. And most of his humor is fairly ominous with a clear lack of concern for the people he's hurting. I found it rather dark and fitting for his character.
And Thor has some big moments I thought. I supposed they could have found something else for him to do, but he is the one who wakes up Vision, who goes after learning about the Infinity Stones, who tracks down Ultron at the beginning, and who hits the big hammer blow at the end to destroy Sokovia. He's also the star of the extremely fun to watch pick up the hammer game during the party scene.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 29, 2017 13:42:42 GMT
As I posted a month or so back, I originally was disappointed with AoU. After I watched it again, I liked it quite a bit. The only part I remember hating that I still do is the Black Widow-Hulk romance. I liked that it was trying to humanize Widow, but it was awkwardly written - not necessarily bad, just awkward. I have warmed to the action, which I originally didn't like. I even think the action is better here than the first one. That being said, the first one is still a little better overall. Ok, so I'm being friendly here, but I just want to call you out on something. You and I recently had this conversation about a tendency of posting negative comments. Your first line here was cool, you started out talking about being disappointed initially but then followed up quickly by saying you now really like it. Great. And then the very next line you start talking about what you hate. I don't get it man. Why do you find it so critical to say you like something quite a bit but then immediately start talking about the things you hate about it. You said in our previous conversation that you didn't literally mean you walk of theaters talking about things you don't like, but you did say you focus on the negatives to get them out of the way, and it really seems that way. IDK, negatives are a distant afterthought for me, but you really get in there and roll around with them.
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Post by zoilus on May 29, 2017 14:52:59 GMT
Portrayal of Ultron - why did they think making Ultron into wise cracking robot was ok? It was pretty clear from Ultron's interaction with Klaue that he's sort of a mirror image of Tony. And again when Thor says "No one has to break anything." Ultron says "Clearly you've never made an omelette." and Tony says "He beat me by one second..."
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Post by politicidal on May 29, 2017 15:10:50 GMT
It's better than the first one in some respects. The original Avengers still of course has that zest and energy that celebrated the MCU paying off in the end. But Age of Ultron really does revel in the absurdity of its genre.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 16:46:21 GMT
I like both Avengers films equally, but for different reasons. Age of Ultron has more meat on its bones, but the original just more fun and easily rewatchable. Plus, the original doesn't make one squirm when Ultron begins ranting about humanity, knowing that he's not actually wrong about anything he says about us.
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Post by fangirl1975 on May 29, 2017 17:59:56 GMT
I like both Avengers films equally, but for different reasons. Age of Ultron has more meat on its bones, but the original just more fun and easily rewatchable. Plus, the original doesn't make one squirm when Ultron begins ranting about humanity, knowing that he's not actually wrong about anything he says about us. I like them both too, however to an extent Loki was also right in the original about humanity craving subjugation.
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Post by spooner5020 on May 29, 2017 18:17:02 GMT
I liked AoU, liked it even more than the first IM movie. Never really understood the hate people have for it. There are a few gripes i have with it however: Treatment of Thor - Thor is almost a wallflower here. He's just I the background, even Hawkeye and Black Widow get more focus than him. And when you're part of the main 4 Avengers that just doesn't seem right. Portrayal of Ultron - why did they think making Ultron into wise cracking robot was ok? He had the potential to be the next big mcu villain and they dropped the ball. His portrayal wasn't that bad but it could have been so much better. I actually love Ultron's portrayal, so I don't see it as dropping the ball at all. There was even a line about where Ultron get's his personality from, which is Stark, which makes sense that's he'd be sarcastic. And most of his humor is fairly ominous with a clear lack of concern for the people he's hurting. I found it rather dark and fitting for his character.
And Thor has some big moments I thought. I supposed they could have found something else for him to do, but he is the one who wakes up Vision, who goes after learning about the Infinity Stones, who tracks down Ultron at the beginning, and who hits the big hammer blow at the end to destroy Sokovia. He's also the star of the extremely fun to watch pick up the hammer game during the party scene.
With ultron being created by stark: I think that was why fans were disappointed by him. Ultron was still a great Villian but I agree if Hank Pym had created him he could have been a really good Villian.
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Post by Skaathar on May 29, 2017 18:28:32 GMT
As I posted a month or so back, I originally was disappointed with AoU. After I watched it again, I liked it quite a bit. The only part I remember hating that I still do is the Black Widow-Hulk romance. I liked that it was trying to humanize Widow, but it was awkwardly written - not necessarily bad, just awkward. I have warmed to the action, which I originally didn't like. I even think the action is better here than the first one. That being said, the first one is still a little better overall. Ok, so I'm being friendly here, but I just want to call you out on something. You and I recently had this conversation about a tendency of posting negative comments. Your first line here was cool, you started out talking about being disappointed initially but then followed up quickly by saying you now really like it. Great. And then the very next line you start talking about what you hate. I don't get it man. Why do you find it so critical to say you like something quite a bit but then immediately start talking about the things you hate about it. You said in our previous conversation that you didn't literally mean you walk of theaters talking about things you don't like, but you did say you focus on the negatives to get them out of the way, and it really seems that way. IDK, negatives are a distant afterthought for me, but you really get in there and roll around with them.
I don't know what previous discussion you two had talked about, but it's completely normal and acceptable to criticize something even though you liked it overall. What isn't normal is believing that every MCU movie is absolutely perfect.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 18:58:25 GMT
I actually love Ultron's portrayal, so I don't see it as dropping the ball at all. There was even a line about where Ultron get's his personality from, which is Stark, which makes sense that's he'd be sarcastic. And most of his humor is fairly ominous with a clear lack of concern for the people he's hurting. I found it rather dark and fitting for his character.
And Thor has some big moments I thought. I supposed they could have found something else for him to do, but he is the one who wakes up Vision, who goes after learning about the Infinity Stones, who tracks down Ultron at the beginning, and who hits the big hammer blow at the end to destroy Sokovia. He's also the star of the extremely fun to watch pick up the hammer game during the party scene.
With ultron being created by stark: I think that was why fans were disappointed by him. Ultron was still a great Villian but I agree if Hank Pym had created him he could have been a really good Villian. Huh? Ant-man was the movie after AoU? Hank Pym wasnt a factor in the MCU when AoU came out. This makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 22:03:02 GMT
I know you don't like negative comments about Marvel movies... So I won't list all of my complaints in your thread. I'll just simply say that I'm not too hot on this one.
It's a ton of fun though and I really enjoy watching it. The contest to lift Mjolnir is one of my favorite bits. I love how they can have fun with stuff like that and make it feel so organic.
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Post by merh on May 29, 2017 22:40:19 GMT
One can see Whedon's stress. It was after this Perlmutter was removed from the MCU. He is apparently a horrible penny pincher & some of Whedon's complaints was he was told he could do this, not that.
You're really going to penny pinch the guy that made your billion dollar movie?
So we know Whedon favors Cap. We know he has issues with the Asgardians. He loves strong female heroes.
I felt the biggest flaw was the monster thread. Banner sees Hulk as monster. Maybe Vision is a monster. Thor is the destroyer. Etc.
It felt like overkill
It did set up Cap 3.
It showed Tony's faulty mindset. Tony is playing at superhero. He is freaked at several of his team but can't admit it.
This is why he wants to end it.
His ego can't just quit, but he really wants out. Problem is it has to be about him. He needs to be the savior of the world which is why it works here as his creating Ultron in the MCU instead of Pym who created Ultron in the comics.
The struggle to make them all monsters alienated some.
My daughter won't watch it because Widow's speech about not being able to have kids making her a monster. No, that wasn't how it was in the movie, but that's how a segment of the internet took it.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2017 23:07:21 GMT
Definitely a fun flick, could have toned back on the humor,the stakes could've felt higher,they could've given Ultron some more time to develop and the plot could have been a little more complex and coherent. They also could have done without the Bruce and Natasha romance.
Overall still a good movie a solid 7.5/10.
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Post by spooner5020 on May 29, 2017 23:15:56 GMT
With ultron being created by stark: I think that was why fans were disappointed by him. Ultron was still a great Villian but I agree if Hank Pym had created him he could have been a really good Villian. Huh? Ant-man was the movie after AoU? Hank Pym wasnt a factor in the MCU when AoU came out. This makes no sense. In the comics Hank Pym created Ultron not Stark.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 29, 2017 23:22:56 GMT
With ultron being created by stark: I think that was why fans were disappointed by him. Ultron was still a great Villian but I agree if Hank Pym had created him he could have been a really good Villian. It's funny you say that. I realized a long time ago they weren't going to do what the comics did and have fully embraced the idea that this is a complete parallel universe with a lot of similar things, but is not going to be the same. So I love that Stark and Banner made it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on May 29, 2017 23:28:22 GMT
I don't know what previous discussion you two had talked about, but it's completely normal and acceptable to criticize something even though you liked it overall. What isn't normal is believing that every MCU movie is absolutely perfect. It's normal to have reasonable criticisms, sure. And I never said every MCU film was perfect, but with a nearly unthinkable scale of the project they've presented us and more or less nailed at every corner, there's really not much to reasonably complain about. So when people write comments like "purple blob" to describe really awesome things like Thanos, they just sound more like douchebags than people who want a reasonable discussion.
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