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Post by gadreel on Sept 16, 2022 0:19:06 GMT
bwahahahahahaha Do you think it is possible I am referring to a conversation I was part of?? No you just make assumptions and run with them. You made yourself a part of this conversation: IMDB2.freeforums.net/post/5601788/thread Got to be so airtight when I talk to you, are you sure you are not Blade??
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2022 0:29:56 GMT
Got to be so airtight when I talk to you, are you sure you are not Blade?? When you're wrong, you're wrong. I'll try to not notice next time.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 16, 2022 0:32:41 GMT
Got to be so airtight when I talk to you, are you sure you are not Blade?? When you're wrong, you're wrong. I'll try to not notice next time. Im still not sure where you think I was wrong, im actually pushing the generally accepted narrative of teh argument at least according to what I can find. I think we ended up getting our wires crossed, I find it interesting that you have refused to clarify every time I have asked, where as I feel like I have gone out of my way to clarify my stance over and over and you still are misrepresenting me. Oh well.
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2022 0:47:31 GMT
When you're wrong, you're wrong. I'll try to not notice next time. Im still not sure where you think I was wrong, im actually pushing the generally accepted narrative of teh argument at least according to what I can find. I think we ended up getting our wires crossed, I find it interesting that you have refused to clarify every time I have asked, where as I feel like I have gone out of my way to clarify my stance over and over and you still are misrepresenting me. Oh well. In this thread, you were wrong when you said my language is always such that I can deny it to keep my story straight. You were wrong when you said I don't read what I write. You were wrong when you said I don't understand what I write. You were wrong when you said I have a tendency to not understand the implied meaning in what I say, and you were also wrong when you implied that what I say implies something other than what I said. You were wrong when you said one of my posts had absolutely no bearing at all on the conversation at hand. You were wrong when you said I make assumptions and run with them. What are you not understanding about anything I've said? Just ask, man.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 16, 2022 1:08:17 GMT
Im still not sure where you think I was wrong, im actually pushing the generally accepted narrative of teh argument at least according to what I can find. I think we ended up getting our wires crossed, I find it interesting that you have refused to clarify every time I have asked, where as I feel like I have gone out of my way to clarify my stance over and over and you still are misrepresenting me. Oh well. In this thread, you were wrong when you said my language is always such that I can deny it to keep my story straight. You were wrong when you said I don't read what I write. You were wrong when you said I don't understand what I write. You were wrong when you said I have a tendency to not understand the implied meaning in what I say, and you were also wrong when you implied that what I say implies something other than what I said. You were wrong when you said one of my posts had absolutely no bearing at all on the conversation at hand. You were wrong when you said I make assumptions and run with them. What are you not understanding about anything I've said? Just ask, man. ok cool. I have rehashed over and over the same shit with you and you refuse to accept any meaning other than the one you like I am clearly not the only one that feels this way, your use of language has at least twice been such that you treat it with no posibility of inference, and you have demonstratably proved that you do not understand the implied meaning in your first cause argument. Honestly I should have left well enough alone, I wish that there was a chance this board was still a place (if it ever was) for respectful intelligent conversation, it seems more and more its just a pissing competition.
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2022 1:22:52 GMT
In this thread, you were wrong when you said my language is always such that I can deny it to keep my story straight. You were wrong when you said I don't read what I write. You were wrong when you said I don't understand what I write. You were wrong when you said I have a tendency to not understand the implied meaning in what I say, and you were also wrong when you implied that what I say implies something other than what I said. You were wrong when you said one of my posts had absolutely no bearing at all on the conversation at hand. You were wrong when you said I make assumptions and run with them. What are you not understanding about anything I've said? Just ask, man. ok cool. I have rehashed over and over the same shit with you and you refuse to accept any meaning other than the one you like I am clearly not the only one that feels this way, your use of language has at least twice been such that you treat it with no posibility of inference, and you have demonstratably proved that you do not understand the implied meaning in your first cause argument. Honestly I should have left well enough alone, I wish that there was a chance this board was still a place (if it ever was) for respectful intelligent conversation, it seems more and more its just a pissing competition. Unless you provide examples of your accusations, or are specific about what you don't understand, all I can do is say I'm sorry you feel that way and suggest you stop blaming me for where you lead the discussions. (This is where you say "have a good day," and I say "thanks, you do the same.")
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Post by gadreel on Sept 16, 2022 1:32:34 GMT
ok cool. I have rehashed over and over the same shit with you and you refuse to accept any meaning other than the one you like I am clearly not the only one that feels this way, your use of language has at least twice been such that you treat it with no posibility of inference, and you have demonstratably proved that you do not understand the implied meaning in your first cause argument. Honestly I should have left well enough alone, I wish that there was a chance this board was still a place (if it ever was) for respectful intelligent conversation, it seems more and more its just a pissing competition. Unless you provide examples of your accusations, or are specific about what you don't understand, all I can do is say I'm sorry you feel that way and suggest you stop blaming me for where you lead the discussions. (This is where you say "have a good day," and I say "thanks, you do the same.") You are absolutely right I should have been far firmer in getting clarity from what you posted, and I should have been far firmer on not being re-engaged in the same circular argument. Maybe lesson learned.
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2022 1:39:52 GMT
Unless you provide examples of your accusations, or are specific about what you don't understand, all I can do is say I'm sorry you feel that way and suggest you stop blaming me for where you lead the discussions. (This is where you say "have a good day," and I say "thanks, you do the same.") You are absolutely right I should have been far firmer in getting clarity from what you posted, and I should have been far firmer on not being re-engaged in the same circular argument. Maybe lesson learned. Or maybe you should just ask what you want to know and stop making everything about me personally.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 16, 2022 1:58:12 GMT
You are absolutely right I should have been far firmer in getting clarity from what you posted, and I should have been far firmer on not being re-engaged in the same circular argument. Maybe lesson learned. Or maybe you should just ask what you want to know and stop making everything about me personally. bwhahahahahahaha
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Post by Admin on Sept 16, 2022 2:02:04 GMT
Or maybe you should just ask what you want to know and stop making everything about me personally. bwhahahahahahaha Do you suppose that increases the chance for respectful intelligent conversation?
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Post by clusium on Sept 16, 2022 19:48:30 GMT
Yes, I've read that Wikipedia entry thousands of times too. The Holy Spirit is almost always spoken of in the Masculine. Among the numerous Titles of the Blessed Virgin Mary, for example, is Spouse Of the Holy Spirit (because she Conceived Our Lord By the Holy Spirit). Ok that is not my experience. One of the Titles Of the Holy Spirit Is, Father of the Poor (because people in the developing world, are often very spiritual).
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Post by needysboy on Sept 17, 2022 0:30:46 GMT
Answer to Admin:
In The Gospel of the Hebrews, Jesus calls the Holy Spirit his mother. (If my memory is good, this is in Fragment 31.)
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Post by clusium on Sept 17, 2022 2:47:03 GMT
Answer to Admin: In The Gospel of the Hebrews, Jesus calls the Holy Spirit his mother. (If my memory is good, this is in Fragment 31.) That is probably why it - along with all the other Apocryphal Gospels - was labelled heresy. In the Gospel according to St. John, the Lord Jesus Refers to the Holy Spirit as 'He' (St. John chapter 14, verse 17).
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Post by gadreel on Sept 19, 2022 0:23:33 GMT
Ok that is not my experience. One of the Titles Of the Holy Spirit Is, Father of the Poor (because people in the developing world, are often very spiritual). As I say, my experience differs, I think you are coming from a very Catholic stance.
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Post by rizdek on Sept 20, 2022 15:12:36 GMT
No other animals worship gods, it's our imagination creating superstitions and those superstitions being exploited for power and money. Yes, we are creating the God as it is in religion. I am theorizing on why almost ever culture has had a belief in a God throughout history. I think it's because earliest man had some sense of the supernatural due to dreams and hallucinations and the penchant to see 'agency' in the world around them.
I am convinced animals dream. And I can but imagine as humans were separating from other similar species and developing a complex ability to communicate, they tried to figure out, among other things, what dreams were/meant. Consider what happens in dreams. We 'live' experiences... some familiar and some unfamiliar, we encounter people...some familiar, some unfamiliar. We encounter dead people in our dreams...long dead relatives/friends/sometime famous people, etc. So it may have appeared to early man that in sleep you experience a different world where dead people still exist. Couple that with hallucinations due to hallucinogenic plants (smoked or ingested) where everyday life (and I'm guessing here) seems altered. Maybe someone who's actually been high on hard drugs can describe it, but don't people 'see' things and imagine weird stuff? Anyways, the two probably caused early man to conjure and tried to describe another existence...a 'super' natural existence where dead people keep on living. And since, when people died, they were like being asleep, they thought being dead meant you were in that 'other' world. So as peoples separated across the planet they each took with them this underlying belief in some sort of supernatural existence/world. That is why almost all civilizations have some sort of supernatural belief...they all brought it with them. Many ancient and primitive cultures do a lot of ancestor worship. Where would they get the idea their 'ancestors' were still alive in this other world unless they thought they visited this world and encountered them in their sleep. The Bible suggests people believed what happened in dreams had real meaning...people believe Mary encountered the spirit of God in a dream and are convinced she got pregnant from that encounter. They also believe the a similar 'being' appeared to Joseph and convinced him is pregnant betrothed wife hadn't really slept with a Roman guard. The Bible is rife with examples of where real things happened to people in dreams. Even today, people try to make sense of dreams.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 20, 2022 15:20:02 GMT
Even if there is a God, there is no reason to think its the one you belive in.
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Post by Winter_King on Sept 20, 2022 15:57:50 GMT
Yes, I've read that Wikipedia entry thousands of times too. The Holy Spirit is almost always spoken of in the Masculine. Among the numerous Titles of the Blessed Virgin Mary, for example, is Spouse Of the Holy Spirit (because she Conceived Our Lord By the Holy Spirit). Ok that is not my experience. I don't know about other languages, but in Portuguese we use the term "Espírito Santo" to refer to the Holy Spirit. "Santo" is masculine.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 20, 2022 17:09:48 GMT
Ok that is not my experience. I don't know about other languages, but in Portuguese we use the term "Espírito Santo" to refer to the Holy Spirit. "Santo" is masculine. Again Catholicism, Catholics are painfully Patricarchical
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Post by clusium on Sept 20, 2022 18:53:41 GMT
Yes, we are creating the God as it is in religion. I am theorizing on why almost ever culture has had a belief in a God throughout history. I think it's because earliest man had some sense of the supernatural due to dreams and hallucinations and the penchant to see 'agency' in the world around them.
I am convinced animals dream. And I can but imagine as humans were separating from other similar species and developing a complex ability to communicate, they tried to figure out, among other things, what dreams were/meant. Consider what happens in dreams. We 'live' experiences... some familiar and some unfamiliar, we encounter people...some familiar, some unfamiliar. We encounter dead people in our dreams...long dead relatives/friends/sometime famous people, etc. So it may have appeared to early man that in sleep you experience a different world where dead people still exist. Couple that with hallucinations due to hallucinogenic plants (smoked or ingested) where everyday life (and I'm guessing here) seems altered. Maybe someone who's actually been high on hard drugs can describe it, but don't people 'see' things and imagine weird stuff? Anyways, the two probably caused early man to conjure and tried to describe another existence...a 'super' natural existence where dead people keep on living. And since, when people died, they were like being asleep, they thought being dead meant you were in that 'other' world. So as peoples separated across the planet they each took with them this underlying belief in some sort of supernatural existence/world. That is why almost all civilizations have some sort of supernatural belief...they all brought it with them. Many ancient and primitive cultures do a lot of ancestor worship. Where would they get the idea their 'ancestors' were still alive in this other world unless they thought they visited this world and encountered them in their sleep. The Bible suggests people believed what happened in dreams had real meaning...people believe Mary encountered the spirit of God in a dream and are convinced she got pregnant from that encounter. They also believe the a similar 'being' appeared to Joseph and convinced him is pregnant betrothed wife hadn't really slept with a Roman guard. The Bible is rife with examples of where real things happened to people in dreams. Even today, people try to make sense of dreams. Nobody believes that the Annunciation occurred to Our Lady, during a dream. Mary was fully awake when St. Gabriel appeared to her & told her that she Would Conceive the Son Of God via the Holy Spirit.
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Post by clusium on Sept 20, 2022 19:04:55 GMT
I don't know about other languages, but in Portuguese we use the term "Espírito Santo" to refer to the Holy Spirit. "Santo" is masculine. Again Catholicism, Catholics are painfully Patricarchical There is nothing painful about addressing the Holy Spirit in the Masculine. Personally, as a woman myself, I prefer that we do refer the Holy Spirit in the Masculine, as opposed to the Feminine. Why? You may ask...? 1)Because the Trinity Is One Eternal God. Not 3 separate deities. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit Are One and the Same Almighty God. That means we address the Trinity as ' He,' not 'They.' Were it to be that the Holy Spirit to be viewed as a Feminine Entity, we would be addressing the Triune God as 'He,' at the expense of Of this Female Being that Is within the Trinity. (On a side note, if I addressed the Holy Spirit in the Feminine Tense, as opposed to the Masculine, I would be sorely tempted to address the Holy Spirit as ' Goddess,' rather than as 'God,' & I am pretty certain that if I were to do that, most other Christians -whether or not Catholic - would considered to be heretical, if not outright blasphemous. One final note: If the Holy Spirit Is to be considered a Feminine Entity, & the Mother in the Triune God, then how come the Trinity Is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, particularly since the Both the Father and the Pre-Incarnate Son, are Spirit also? Would the Trinity not be addressed as the "Father, the Mother, and the Son, instead of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit?"
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