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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 26, 2022 16:14:08 GMT
The atheist or the religious person?
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Post by clusium on Sept 26, 2022 16:38:50 GMT
The atheist or the religious person? I would say neither. We won't know until after we are dead. In the case of the atheist being correct, none of us (atheists or theists alike)will realize that the atheist is correct, because we will all be in a state of nothingness. Even in the case of theists, it can still depend upon the particular religion. Why? You ask? Because a lot of religions -perhaps MOST religions - believe in reincarnation, where, once your consciousness goes into another sentient being (which include in some cases, animals), the person's memory of the previous life gets erased. So even there there is no boasting of who is right, & who is wrong.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 26, 2022 17:13:07 GMT
I would say the atheist is more likely to say they might be wrong, since I think there are more agnostic atheists than there are hard atheists. And, if science was to produce more empirical evidence that supported the existence of a god; well, we follow the science.
Religious people tend to be more certain, because faith is so highly valued, and when unknowns come up, the faith fills in with 'someday we will understand'. And I think that religion can be very comforting for those who dislike the uncertainty of life on this planet. Believing that God 'has a plan' makes difficult things more able to be dealt with.
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Post by clusium on Sept 26, 2022 20:04:36 GMT
I would say the atheist is more likely to say they might be wrong, since I think there are more agnostic atheists than there are hard atheists. And, if science was to produce more empirical evidence that supported the existence of a god; well, we follow the science. Religious people tend to be more certain, because faith is so highly valued, and when unknowns come up, the faith fills in with 'someday we will understand'. And I think that religion can be very comforting for those who dislike the uncertainty of life on this planet. Believing that God 'has a plan' makes difficult things more able to be dealt with. There are scientists who believe in the Existence Of God or gods.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 26, 2022 20:12:06 GMT
I think it is individual, having said that belief is also about salvation, so one might more more likely to cling to a belief that makes them feel better, I guess this would mean slightly higher chances in the religious group
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Post by Isapop on Sept 26, 2022 20:24:34 GMT
I think most atheists would say that it is possible that God exists, meaning they could be wrong, but that it's very unlikely. Would most religious people say that it's possible that God doesn't exist? I don't think so.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 26, 2022 22:12:25 GMT
I would say the atheist is more likely to say they might be wrong, since I think there are more agnostic atheists than there are hard atheists. And, if science was to produce more empirical evidence that supported the existence of a god; well, we follow the science. Religious people tend to be more certain, because faith is so highly valued, and when unknowns come up, the faith fills in with 'someday we will understand'. And I think that religion can be very comforting for those who dislike the uncertainty of life on this planet. Believing that God 'has a plan' makes difficult things more able to be dealt with. There are scientists who believe in the Existence Of God or gods. How many? What percentage of all scientists? Link? And have they produced more empirical evidence that supports the existence of a god? I know some scientists - doctors - who are comfortable with me knowing that they don't believe in a god. They have heard me say that I am alive today because of advances in medical science. They know I won't rat out their little secret to others. Many people say they believe in god just to avoid confrontation and keep their jobs. Would you go to a doctor that was an outspoken atheist?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 26, 2022 22:26:11 GMT
I think most atheists would say that it is possible that God exists, meaning they could be wrong, but that it's very unlikely. Would most religious people say that it's possible that God doesn't exist? I don't think so. ^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^
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Post by clusium on Sept 26, 2022 23:02:12 GMT
There are scientists who believe in the Existence Of God or gods. How many? What percentage of all scientists? Link? And have they produced more empirical evidence that supports the existence of a god? I know some scientists - doctors - who are comfortable with me knowing that they don't believe in a god. They have heard me say that I am alive today because of advances in medical science. They know I won't rat out their little secret to others. Many people say they believe in god just to avoid confrontation and keep their jobs. Would you go to a doctor that was an outspoken atheist? Religion & Science
Science & The Catholic Church
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Post by gadreel on Sept 26, 2022 23:04:14 GMT
I would say the atheist is more likely to say they might be wrong, since I think there are more agnostic atheists than there are hard atheists. And, if science was to produce more empirical evidence that supported the existence of a god; well, we follow the science. Religious people tend to be more certain, because faith is so highly valued, and when unknowns come up, the faith fills in with 'someday we will understand'. And I think that religion can be very comforting for those who dislike the uncertainty of life on this planet. Believing that God 'has a plan' makes difficult things more able to be dealt with. There are scientists who believe in the Existence Of God or gods. mostly though they understand the separation of science and religion
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Post by clusium on Sept 26, 2022 23:07:25 GMT
There are scientists who believe in the Existence Of God or gods. mostly though they understand the separation of science and religion Correct. Just like there is separation between state & church, etc. Science & religion are 2 entirely different subjects.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 26, 2022 23:20:13 GMT
mostly though they understand the separation of science and religion Correct. Just like there is separation between state & church, etc. Science & religion are 2 entirely different subjects. Which means that scientists who believe in god(s) are not any different from others who believe in God (s) there is no real distinction.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Sept 26, 2022 23:29:45 GMT
I'm willing to admit I'm wrong when I see the evidence for a God
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 26, 2022 23:43:12 GMT
How many? What percentage of all scientists? Link? And have they produced more empirical evidence that supports the existence of a god? I know some scientists - doctors - who are comfortable with me knowing that they don't believe in a god. They have heard me say that I am alive today because of advances in medical science. They know I won't rat out their little secret to others. Many people say they believe in god just to avoid confrontation and keep their jobs. Would you go to a doctor that was an outspoken atheist? Religion & Science
Science & The Catholic Church The link to Religion & Science was very interesting, showing a fluctuation of theories throughout history. I wish I had the time to read the entire thing; maybe later. The Catholic Church is a sore point with me, given the issue of priests taking advantage of children, and the Church not dealing with it correctly. So I didn't even open that link. But you didn't answer my question - would you go to a doctor that was an outspoken atheist?
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Post by clusium on Sept 27, 2022 0:12:56 GMT
Correct. Just like there is separation between state & church, etc. Science & religion are 2 entirely different subjects. Which means that scientists who believe in god(s) are not any different from others who believe in God (s) there is no real distinction. Correct, & the same thing can be said about scientists who do not believe in God(s); they are not any different from others who do not believe in God(s) there is no real distinction.
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Post by clusium on Sept 27, 2022 0:18:40 GMT
The link to Religion & Science was very interesting, showing a fluctuation of theories throughout history. I wish I had the time to read the entire thing; maybe later. The Catholic Church is a sore point with me, given the issue of priests taking advantage of children, and the Church not dealing with it correctly. So I didn't even open that link. But you didn't answer my question - would you go to a doctor that was an outspoken atheist? For many years, my own family doctor was Jewish (he only retired just a few years ago). Whether he was theistic or atheistic, I have absolutely no idea. Actually, I do not even know what religion is my current doctor is, never mind if she is theistic or atheistic. Religion is irrelevant to her being in charge of my physical health. If I were in a terrible car accident, & needed to be rushed to the ER, I do not think I - or my family - would be demanding to know the religious beliefs of the particular doctors that are fixing me up, just so long as they do the job.
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Post by clusium on Sept 27, 2022 0:39:29 GMT
The link to Religion & Science was very interesting, showing a fluctuation of theories throughout history. I wish I had the time to read the entire thing; maybe later. The Catholic Church is a sore point with me, given the issue of priests taking advantage of children, and the Church not dealing with it correctly. So I didn't even open that link. But you didn't answer my question - would you go to a doctor that was an outspoken atheist? How about you, rachelcarson1953? Would you go to a doctor that was an outspoken theist? How about get treated in a Catholic or any other kind of hospital?
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Post by gadreel on Sept 27, 2022 0:51:04 GMT
Which means that scientists who believe in god(s) are not any different from others who believe in God (s) there is no real distinction. Correct, & the same thing can be said about scientists who do not believe in God(s); they are not any different from others who do not believe in God(s) there is no real distinction. Unless they are studying some form of science that intersects with religion
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Post by clusium on Sept 27, 2022 0:58:56 GMT
Correct, & the same thing can be said about scientists who do not believe in God(s); they are not any different from others who do not believe in God(s) there is no real distinction. Unless they are studying some form of science that intersects with religion It cuts both ways.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 27, 2022 1:35:46 GMT
Unless they are studying some form of science that intersects with religion It cuts both ways. Im not convinced it does.
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