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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 19, 2022 21:09:58 GMT
In the Star Trek: Enterprise episode: "Daedalus", Doctor Emory Erickson, the creator of the Transporter discusses the early days of his invention... and mentions how there was a huge philosophical debate about whether the person that arrives at the destination, is the Same Person or "Just Some Weird Copy"...
As we've seen, Kirk is split in two, and Riker became twins...
So it does seem that the Transporter may in fact just be a highly advanced Xerox machine...
That raises some questions...
If people are just copies, then when happens to the original?
Does the original die, and do they experience the death?... And If they die, does their soul go to the after life, or does their soul, somehow transfer to the new body?
And being a Copy of a Copy of a Copy. ETC... Do they eventually accumulate Biological Errors, as they use the Transporter more and more?
If you knew that YOU wouldn't actually survive, and the person that arrives at the destination is "Just Some Weird Copy" of you, would you actually allow yourself to be transported?
I'm not sure what to think about all this, and I'm not sure that I would get Beamed up or down...
But, it's an interesting thought experiment. though... and maybe some of you might feel differently...
What do you think?
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 19, 2022 21:32:31 GMT
Still didn't really answer the question about being a Weird Copy...
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Post by MCDemuth on Oct 19, 2022 21:53:51 GMT
So, I guess it can't really be answered with our current scientific knowledge?
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Post by alpha128 on Oct 20, 2022 2:19:19 GMT
CGP Grey makes a pretty convincing case that the transporter is a "suicide box". However, he also points out your bed might also be a "suicide machine". Sleep well!  |
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Post by permutojoe on Oct 31, 2022 2:00:21 GMT
The tech seems sketchy at best but if I had the opportunity to get beamed into Deanna Troi's quarters for a nighttime rendezvous, I would probably take the chance.
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Post by Admiral Ackbar on Nov 3, 2022 2:30:56 GMT
This is an interesting one because the “copy” would always believe they’re the original because they obviously have the memories. So there’d be know way of knowing! In short, I’d never do it!
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Post by Catman on Nov 3, 2022 16:38:12 GMT
You never know when those Heisenberg Compensators are going to short out.
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Post by Sarge on Nov 4, 2022 21:42:51 GMT
I have always been firmly in the Copy camp until watching this video by Nick Lucid who suggests it may not be physically possible to "copy" your atoms and it should be "you" that comes out of the transporter. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANDqwtAd1aY |
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Post by stargazer1682 on Nov 13, 2022 20:32:03 GMT
In the Star Trek: Enterprise episode: "Daedalus", Doctor Emory Erickson, the creator of the Transporter discusses the early days of his invention... and mentions how there was a huge philosophical debate about whether the person that arrives at the destination, is the Same Person or "Just Some Weird Copy"... As we've seen, Kirk is split in two, and Riker became twins... So it does seem that the Transporter may in fact just be a highly advanced Xerox machine... That raises some questions... If people are just copies, then when happens to the original? Does the original die, and do they experience the death?... And If they die, does their soul go to the after life, or does their soul, somehow transfer to the new body? And being a Copy of a Copy of a Copy. ETC... Do they eventually accumulate Biological Errors, as they use the Transporter more and more? If you knew that YOU wouldn't actually survive, and the person that arrives at the destination is "Just Some Weird Copy" of you, would you actually allow yourself to be transported? I'm not sure what to think about all this, and I'm not sure that I would get Beamed up or down... But, it's an interesting thought experiment. though... and maybe some of you might feel differently... What do you think? I mean, you mention the episode from Enterprise where the inventory of the transporter actually refutes the idea that transporters make copies; and then go on to ponder if there's any ambiguity.... 🤔🤨 The transporter in Star Trek does NOT make copies of people; they've spelled out that out the aforementioned Enterprise episode. As for the likes of the duplicate Kirk or Riker, the most obvious answer is the quantum duplication effect that duplicated the entire compliment of Voyager, including the ship itself.
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Post by Mutant 77 on Nov 17, 2022 0:57:10 GMT
"In his book The Physics of Star Trek, after explaining the difference between transporting information and transporting the actual atoms, Krauss notes that "The Star Trek writers seem never to have got it exactly clear what they want the transporter to do. Does the transporter send the atoms and the bits, or just the bits?" He notes that according to the canon definition of the transporter the former seems to be the case, but that that definition is inconsistent with a number of applications, particularly incidents, involving the transporter, which appear to involve only a transport of information, for example the way in which it splits Kirk into two versions in the episode "The Enemy Within" or the way in which Riker is similarly split in the episode "Second Chances". Krauss elaborates that: "If the transporter carries both the matter stream and the information signal, this splitting phenomenon is impossible. The number of atoms you end up with has to be the same as the number you began with. There is no possible way to replicate people in this manner. On the other hand, if only the information were beamed up, one could imagine combining it with atoms that might be stored aboard a starship and making as many copies as you wanted of an individual."[6]"
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Post by Mutant 77 on Nov 17, 2022 1:06:22 GMT
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