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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 0:57:35 GMT
This is one that I felt failed the credibility test for conducting and piano performance though Tom Hulce’s performance was brilliant in all other respects. His hands were unnatural both as a pianist and as a conductor. He seemed to feel Mozart’s looniness should be present in his conducting. In fact , anyone who performed as much as Mozart had to be very economical of movement . Also, he often conducted from the piano as was common at the time.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Oct 23, 2022 1:02:15 GMT
marshamae Amadeus would be a case where ignorance truly IS bliss ... but if you can play the piano and / or conduct, the errors would become obvious. An artist would see the mistakes that a film "painter" is making .. ditto ... doctor, lawyer, safe cracker etc.
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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 1:04:51 GMT
I not only saw Hilary and Jackie, but I remember Du Pre. I was a teenage conservatory student during her heyday. She, Barenboim, Mehta and Zuckerman were our idols, and we wanted nothing more that a life that revolves around practicing, performing and traveling with a group of great musicians. Her illness was so painful I could hardly bear to think of it, losing mobility instantly like that.
Emily Watson May have seemed too emotional but that was part of her appeal, together with great technique and understanding. I thought it a very strong representation of a musician and a time I loved
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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 1:06:42 GMT
If I haven’t commented on the film you mentioned it’s because I haven’t seen the film.
In the words of LizRosenberg. Discuss among yourselves!
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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 1:21:19 GMT
I think it is much harder to look credible as a conductor than as a performer. As a player, the keys set the limits of movement , and a successful performance as a pianist, cellist , trumpeter etc depends on keeping up, fingers on the right keys etc.Conducting, on the other hand has a wide field of movement, with too many choices for those who don’t know enough of the piece to express anything about it. If the actor really doesn’t know and doesn’t care waving back and forth on two and four is good enough. Almost no one attempts really feeding the orchestra, setting up entrances, changes of mood etc. Another mistake actors make is to only conduct the choir , or the first violin. They choose one line and conduct that when there may be 60 musicians playing different parts. A real conductor hears vertically and horizontally, following each line as well as the complex pattern the instruments make together.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Oct 23, 2022 1:32:23 GMT
I think it is much harder to look credible as a conductor than as a performer.... Did you see Richard Dreyfus in Mr. Holland's Opus ? If so ... how you think he did as a conductor ? How about Rex Harrison in Unfaithfully Yours ?
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Post by petrolino on Oct 23, 2022 1:58:34 GMT
I think it is much harder to look credible as a conductor than as a performer.... Did you see Richard Dreyfus in Mr. Holland's Opus ? If so ... how you think he did as a conductor ? How about Rex Harrison in Unfaithfully Yours ?
Man, two of my favourite movies (if I may interject briefly).
I know marshamae likes Richard Dreyfuss for his cheekiness and sense of mischief; he was flat-out awesome in that wonderful movie, as was David Lynch stock company member and pianist Alicia Witt.
As for Preston Sturges' picture, well ...
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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 3:32:34 GMT
Been a long time since I saw Unfaithfully yours. I loved it.
You are so right about Little Richie Dreyfuss. He’s adorable. But I don’t remember his technique in Mr Holland.
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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 7:35:52 GMT
Just looked at Unfaithfully Yours, the orchestra rehearsal scene. It’s an awfully good representation of a professional orchestra at work. Like almost all non musicians Rex is obsessed with keeping time, as though the conductor is just a big metronome. His big gestures are Too big for the music he is cuing, and do not build as the music builds. But these are minor faults. He is credibly listening to the musicians. The thing with the cymbals is hilarious. The only other thing that seems wrong is having the orchestra on risers. In a traditional proscenium arch stage with a wood floor, I don’t think you would want the instruments at different heights. I think it would give the instruments at the rear too much presence. But after all it’s a film and the director Must be allowed to make some adjustments to get the visual effect he wants.
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 23, 2022 17:21:38 GMT
Dennis Quaid played Jerry Lee Lewis shredding the piano Was he good or just crazy? Crazy for sure. I mean not Dennis Quaid, but Jerry Lee Lewis. The movie is the first time I heard that Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin.
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 23, 2022 17:24:56 GMT
Just looked at Unfaithfully Yours, the orchestra rehearsal scene. It’s an awfully good representation of a professional orchestra at work. Like almost all non musicians Rex is obsessed with keeping time, as though the conductor is just a big metronome. His big gestures are Too big for the music he is cuing, and do not build as the music builds. But these are minor faults. He is credibly listening to the musicians. The thing with the cymbals is hilarious. The only other thing that seems wrong is having the orchestra on risers. In a traditional proscenium arch stage with a wood floor, I don’t think you would want the instruments at different heights. I think it would give the instruments at the rear too much presence. But after all it’s a film and the director Must be allowed to make some adjustments to get the visual effect he wants. The Rex Harrison Unfaithfully Yours was a great movie. What about the Dudley Moore version? Have you seen that?
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 23, 2022 17:37:06 GMT
Sissy Spacek won an Oscar for playing Loretta Lynn
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Post by jervistetch on Oct 23, 2022 17:59:15 GMT
Little Richie Dreyfuss again in THE COMPETITION. I saw it when it was released in 1980 and not again since but I remember he and Amy Irving were quite convincing as piano virtuosos competing against each other for some sort of prestigious award. Do they fall in love? What do you think?
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 23, 2022 19:09:34 GMT
That Thing You Do (1996). I don't believe any of the actors are musicians.
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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 19:41:06 GMT
Sissy Spacek won an Oscar for playing Loretta Lynn Sissy did her own singing for this .seemed perfectly credible to me.
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Post by marshamae on Oct 23, 2022 19:42:50 GMT
Just looked at Unfaithfully Yours, the orchestra rehearsal scene. It’s an awfully good representation of a professional orchestra at work. Like almost all non musicians Rex is obsessed with keeping time, as though the conductor is just a big metronome. His big gestures are Too big for the music he is cuing, and do not build as the music builds. But these are minor faults. He is credibly listening to the musicians. The thing with the cymbals is hilarious. The only other thing that seems wrong is having the orchestra on risers. In a traditional proscenium arch stage with a wood floor, I don’t think you would want the instruments at different heights. I think it would give the instruments at the rear too much presence. But after all it’s a film and the director Must be allowed to make some adjustments to get the visual effect he wants. The Rex Harrison Unfaithfully Yours was a great movie. What about the Dudley Moore version? Have you seen that? Have not seen it but DudleyMoore is an accomplished musician. As a wacky comedian I would expect him to have fun with it.
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Post by Penn Guinn on Oct 23, 2022 20:45:40 GMT
Sissy Spacek won an Oscar for playing Loretta Lynn Sissy did her own singing for this .seemed perfectly credible to me. Loretta Lynn herself was quite pleased with the performance !
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Post by spiderwort on Oct 24, 2022 14:09:36 GMT
Sissy did her own singing for this .seemed perfectly credible to me. Loretta Lynn herself was quite pleased with the performance ! Yes, and they even performed together on more than one occasion.
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Post by Rufus-T on Oct 28, 2022 17:14:43 GMT
Was he good or just crazy? Crazy for sure. I mean not Dennis Quaid, but Jerry Lee Lewis. The movie is the first time I heard that Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin.
Jerry Lee Lewis just announced passed at 87. RIP. Wonder what happened to his cousin wife?
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Post by timshelboy on Oct 28, 2022 17:24:06 GMT
Crazy for sure. I mean not Dennis Quaid, but Jerry Lee Lewis. The movie is the first time I heard that Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin.
Jerry Lee Lewis just announced passed at 87. RIP. Wonder what happened to his cousin wife?
according to wikpedia she became a successful real estate broker and lives in Duluth with hubbie number 3
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