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Post by Feologild Oakes on Oct 26, 2022 19:01:37 GMT
Even nuns watch porn, Pope says, warning of risks
Pope Francis has warned priests and nuns about the dangers of watching pornography online, saying it "weakens the priestly heart". The Pope, 86, was responding to a question about how digital and social media should be best used at session in the Vatican, Pornography, he said, was "a vice that so many people have... even priests and nuns". "The devil enters from there," the Pope told priests and seminarians. As to how to navigate social media and the digital world, he said that they should be used but told them not to waste too much time on it. "The pure heart, the one that Jesus receives ever day, cannot receive this pornographic information," he said. He advised the group to "delete this from your phone, so you will not have temptation in hand". The Catholic church requires that all clerics remain celibate - which is to abstain from sexual relations and marriage. Watching porn would breach these requirements. Priestly celibacy was introduced about 900 years ago by the Catholic church. Before then clergy were often married - priestly celibacy is not explicitly required by the Bible but is a discipline required by the Catholic Church. For many, remaining celibate is a key part of being a Catholic priest, who is supposed to devote himself to the church and not be distracted by what some consider to be worldly concerns like a wife or a family. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63405119
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Post by captainbryce on Oct 26, 2022 19:44:43 GMT
They are so sexually repressed due to these archaic, nonsensical beliefs that they end up with an unhealthy sexual disposition. It’s not wonder so many Catholic priests end up as sex offenders.
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Post by permutojoe on Oct 27, 2022 2:50:19 GMT
May be true for some people. Maybe a certain religion has been the cause of so much evil over the last 1600 years every priest, pope, bishop, etc is an instant conduit for demonic possession.
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Post by onethreetwo on Oct 27, 2022 3:34:50 GMT
Anyone with internet watches porn. Nuns, Pastors, Grandmas, everyone. It's literally at your finger tips. No shame in it. We all have watching porn in common.
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Post by Winter_King on Oct 27, 2022 8:40:21 GMT
For many, remaining celibate is a key part of being a Catholic priest, who is supposed to devote himself to the church and not be distracted by what some consider to be worldly concerns like a wife or a family. www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63405119 Also to let that property go to the church instead of the priest's families.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Oct 27, 2022 19:42:52 GMT
Anyone with internet watches porn. Nuns, Pastors, Grandmas, everyone. It's literally at your finger tips. No shame in it. We all have watching porn in common. No, we don't. I am not religious but couldn't care less about watching that crap. I am older, don't have any hormones left, and have better things to do.
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Post by captainbryce on Oct 30, 2022 19:15:10 GMT
Anyone with internet watches porn. Nuns, Pastors, Grandmas, everyone. It's literally at your finger tips. No shame in it. We all have watching porn in common. Except that there IS shame in it for someone spreading a message that condemns other porn watchers as sinners. These people are the ones who claim to believe that porn and sex are shameful, yet they are partaking in it in secret. That’s called hypocrisy! And for that they should be ashamed.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 30, 2022 19:32:52 GMT
Doesn't surprise me at all, data has shown it's actually the red, more religious states that watch more porn.
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Post by mikef6 on Oct 31, 2022 22:21:11 GMT
Do they watch together? Do they have Jack and Jill Off Parties"?
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Post by Winston Wolf on Nov 2, 2022 3:46:57 GMT
That's disgusting. What type of porn do they watch, exactly?
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Post by The Lost One on Nov 2, 2022 15:23:41 GMT
Putting religion aside, I think there are legitimate criticisms of pornography - it's often highly exploitative and misogynist for instance. It would be interesting to know if that is Francis' main issue with it or is it the standard 'sexuality is evil' stuff?
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Post by captainbryce on Nov 2, 2022 21:15:53 GMT
Putting religion aside, I think there are legitimate criticisms of pornography - it's often highly exploitative and misogynist for instance. It would be interesting to know if that is Francis' main issue with it or is it the standard 'sexuality is evil' stuff? That’s not really the case in modern times and it’s more of an archaic assumption at this point.
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Post by The Lost One on Nov 2, 2022 22:15:00 GMT
That’s not really the case in modern times You reckon? I feel there's always going to be something at least slightly misogynist about an industry that relies on the commodification of primarily women's bodies to sell to primarily male consumers. That’s before you consider the normalisation of rough sex, rape fantasies, incest fantasies etc. As for exploitation, would most porn performers be in the industry if they had more options to make a living wage? I've heard of some doing it to pay off student loan debt for example- if student fees weren't so excessive they probably never would have done porn. Performers have also spoken out about being pressured to do certain acts to get a particular contract etc. And that's just regulated studio porn - who knows what goes on behind the scenes in the largely unregulated amateur scene? I imagine there are performers who are 100% happy to be in the industry but how would a consumer ever know? Especially when you consider some big name stars have said they hated their time in the industry only after they retired. |
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Post by permutojoe on Nov 3, 2022 1:34:19 GMT
I wonder if any priests have dabbled in nun porn.
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Post by Hnefahogg on Nov 3, 2022 8:02:20 GMT
This evangelical preacher says that over 50% of pastors watch pornography:
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Post by amyghost on Nov 4, 2022 12:44:30 GMT
No proselytizer for porn myself (I can agree it has its harmful aspects, and as The Lost One notes, it also has a skanky exploitative underbelly that's actively disturbing), but I also have no doubt that religion in general, and Mother Church's in particular, ongoing hatred and literal demonization of normal and natural human sexual impulses has done far more harm and damage down the centuries to the human psyche than any smut-peddler or agglomeration of smut-peddlers could ever have accomplished.
And it's worth considering the possibility that, had religion not been so obsessive about sex in such harmful ways to begin with, perhaps the appetite for porn (and especially porn in its most ugly and degrading aspects) might not have become so firmly rooted in society as it appears to be today? Would Francis be open to even giving thought to such a possibility?
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 7, 2022 10:29:45 GMT
That’s not really the case in modern times You reckon? I feel there's always going to be something at least slightly misogynist about an industry that relies on the commodification of primarily women's bodies to sell to primarily male consumers. That’s before you consider the normalisation of rough sex, rape fantasies, incest fantasies etc. As for exploitation, would most porn performers be in the industry if they had more options to make a living wage? I've heard of some doing it to pay off student loan debt for example- if student fees weren't so excessive they probably never would have done porn. Performers have also spoken out about being pressured to do certain acts to get a particular contract etc. And that's just regulated studio porn - who knows what goes on behind the scenes in the largely unregulated amateur scene? I imagine there are performers who are 100% happy to be in the industry but how would a consumer ever know? Especially when you consider some big name stars have said they hated their time in the industry only after they retired. I would argue it's less exploitative now than before. Mainly because the rise of internet porn made it possible for the women to have full control of their content without the need for studios or even other males. Of course abuse still happens. I think the amount of money a pornstar makes is vastly superior to any living wage. Unless one is male and refuses to do gay porn.
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Post by The Lost One on Nov 7, 2022 15:01:40 GMT
I would argue it's less exploitative now than before. Mainly because the rise of internet porn made it possible for the women to have full control of their content without the need for studios or even other males. Perhaps to an extent but it's not like 'old-style' porn has gone away - it's still a massive industry. Further, a lot of the independent performers need to start off in the studio side of things to build their profile or need it as a supplement to their earnings for the more independent stuff. Also it's not like there aren't people who take their cut from OnlyFans and the like - it doesn't all go to the performers. Plus the question remains would people turn to OnlyFans if they had other options. Also there are issues now that didn't exist 25 years ago such as videos being illegally posted on free sites etc so the performers earn nothing from them. Regulation of this seems pretty difficult. So in some ways it has actually got more exploitative. I dunno, I'm sure some do make a lot but I wouldn't say that's the norm. Mia Khalifa said she only earned $12,000 from her porn career despite being the Number 1 ranked performer on Pornhub for a time. Maybe she's atypical but I doubt it. And don't forget that aside from the big names who presumably earn more, there are no-name 'amateurs' who probably don't earn very much at all and lose all control of the content once filming ends. |
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Post by clusium on Nov 7, 2022 15:10:59 GMT
You reckon? I feel there's always going to be something at least slightly misogynist about an industry that relies on the commodification of primarily women's bodies to sell to primarily male consumers. That’s before you consider the normalisation of rough sex, rape fantasies, incest fantasies etc. As for exploitation, would most porn performers be in the industry if they had more options to make a living wage? I've heard of some doing it to pay off student loan debt for example- if student fees weren't so excessive they probably never would have done porn. Performers have also spoken out about being pressured to do certain acts to get a particular contract etc. And that's just regulated studio porn - who knows what goes on behind the scenes in the largely unregulated amateur scene? I imagine there are performers who are 100% happy to be in the industry but how would a consumer ever know? Especially when you consider some big name stars have said they hated their time in the industry only after they retired. I would argue it's less exploitative now than before. Mainly because the rise of internet porn made it possible for the women to have full control of their content without the need for studios or even other males. Of course abuse still happens. I think the amount of money a pornstar makes is vastly superior to any living wage. Unless one is male and refuses to do gay porn. Not necessarily. There are some creeps out there on social media who take advantage of kids' naivety, & should they manage to get them on screen, they entice them into taking their clothes off and/or do other stuff, right in front of the internet video camera. After doing so, the creeps either a)share it to porn sites, or b)blackmail the kids whom they had taken advantage of. In some cases, the victims have committed suicide.
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 7, 2022 15:14:39 GMT
I would argue it's less exploitative now than before. Mainly because the rise of internet porn made it possible for the women to have full control of their content without the need for studios or even other males. Of course abuse still happens. I think the amount of money a pornstar makes is vastly superior to any living wage. Unless one is male and refuses to do gay porn. Not necessarily. There are some creeps out there on social media who take advantage of kids' naivety, & should they manage to get them on screen, they entice them into taking their clothes off and/or do other stuff, right in front of the internet video camera. After doing so, the creeps either a)share it to porn sites, or b)blackmail the kids whom they had taken advantage of. In some cases, the victims have committed suicide. I mean in the cases where women are willing to do porn. Not in cases where a woman is tricked. A woman with a OnlyFans will only show what she wants and what she is comfortable with.
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