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Post by sdm3 on Nov 28, 2022 15:09:47 GMT
The guillotine awaits in just over a month and coaches are going to get the chop (figuratively speaking, of course; they will continue to be handsomely paid after being relieved of their duties which is hardly the worst situation to be in). But which men will have their firings made news for millions (and the NFL fans on this board, all 20-25 of us) to discuss?
The obvious ones:
Lovie Smith (Houston) - I think Smith was only ever supposed to be a bridge hire; an optics move made in response to the backlash that came from Josh McCown being considered for the role.
Nathaniel Hackett (Denver) - Broncos are having a nightmare season after what could, in hindsight, end up as one of the worst trades ever. However, they can't fire the quarterback so the much-maligned Hackett will take the fall instead.
Some maybes:
Dennis Allen (New Orleans) - he hasn't exactly been Bill Parcells, has he? I'm not sure what exactly the Saints were expecting, nor which direction they're going in. They might keep him; one-and-done firings are fairly rare, after all.
It's worth noting that the visor-clad figure of Sean Payton looms heavily over all these proceedings; he wants to return to work and there are, I believe, a lot of teams that will fire their coaches in order to bring Payton in. That means bad news for both:
Kliff Kingsbury (Arizona) - his scheme has been exposed for more than a year, let's face it.
Brandon Staley (LA Chargers) - I don't think Staley is a terrible coach but, with the Chargers and Cardinals being destinations specifically mentioned in reports as those favored by Payton, you have to think that either team would happily shove their current HC aside if it meant they might land a Super Bowl winner.
Sean McVay (LA Rams) - he won't be fired, obviously, but there were rumblings that he wanted to retire at the end of last season; the Rams are having probably the worst Super Bowl defense in history so his enthusiasm for the future depends on his mentality.
Then you have the interims in Jeff Saturday (Indianapolis) and Steve Wilks (Carolina) - the quality of Saturday's work remains to be seen while Wilks seems to be a pleasant surprise after his disastrous stint with Arizona. That said, I don't think the plan was ever for either of those two to stay long-term.
Safe barring a catastrophic end to the season:
I think the Lions like Dan Campbell enough to keep him on - they've shown improvement and will hope to continue that progress.
Mike McCarthy (Dallas) is usually mentioned as a guy who's simply keeping the seat warm for Sean Payton - it wouldn't shock me to see Jerrah swing the axe if the Cowboys fail to win a playoff game, but McCarthy might be doing just enough.
Josh McDaniels (Las Vegas) isn't likely to win Coach of the Year anytime soon but I wonder if Mark Davis wants to keep paying fired coaches at this point? McDaniels will probably end up sticking around, much to the chagrin of the Patriots who'd love a real OC right about now.
I think the Falcons are still talent-poor outside of a few star names so Arthur Smith is essentially performing to or above expectations. Same with Matt Eberflus (Chicago) probably.
Anyone not mentioned is obviously safe in my eyes - of course, there's always a shock firing or two.
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Post by mtbg on Nov 28, 2022 15:20:35 GMT
I thought McCarthy would be gone for sure but I think Jerry keeps him. I'd much rather have Payton.
They are playing well but are still very undisciplined. After leading the league in penalties last year, they're 3rd this year. 13 on Thanksgiving vs the Giants. It's going to cost them vs better teams in the playoffs. We'll also see what happens with his OC & DC as both Moore and Campbell have decent shots at getting HC gigs.
To his credit though, most thought once Dak was going to miss a month, they'd be toast. I know I did. Gotta give a team credit for going 3-1 with their backup QB.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 28, 2022 16:01:00 GMT
Hackett has had one year. He didn't make the trade for Wilson. Wilson looked like his best days had passed last year in Seattle. And, with the great receivers Denver has, it's obvious he aint what he was. And Denver has lost three OT games, two by one point and two by seven points. The only real piss beating was last week.
Lovie is probably gone but what did you expect? The team is almost devoid of talent. Someone in Houston actually thought Davis Mills was a NFL caliber QB. The Texans have a shitload of draft picks so they might as well get a new HC to go with the new team
I think Kingsbury is gone. Arizona is up with Vegas and the LA teams as the huge underperformers. The big question will be if the Cards tear it all down and start over. If so, will they trade Kyler and how much can they get out of him? Teams might be gun shy about giving up a lot for a QB is light of the Russ Wilson deal (and if DeShaun Watson looks like shit).
And the big wild card is Sean Payton. The Chargers or Bears might hold on to their HC but if Payton decides he wants to go there, you will see a HC cleaning out his desk tout suite.
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Post by sdm3 on Nov 28, 2022 16:14:52 GMT
Hackett has had one year. He didn't make the trade for Wilson. Wilson looked like his best days had passed last year in Seattle. And, with the great receivers Denver has, it's obvious he aint what he was. And Denver has lost three OT games, two by one point and two by seven points. The only real piss beating was last week.
Lovie is probably gone but what did you expect? The team is almost devoid of talent. Someone in Houston actually thought Davis Mills was a NFL caliber QB. The Texans have a shitload of draft picks so they might as well get a new HC to go with the new team I think Kingsbury is gone. Arizona is up with Vegas and the LA teams as the huge underperformers. The big question will be if the Cards tear it all down and start over. If so, will they trade Kyler and how much can they get out of him? Teams might be gun shy about giving up a lot for a QB is light of the Russ Wilson deal (and if DeShaun Watson looks like shit). And the big wild card is Sean Payton. The Chargers or Bears might hold on to their HC but if Payton decides he wants to go there, you will see a HC cleaning out his desk tout suite. Hackett didn't make the Wilson trade but it's not hard to make the connection between his hiring and the Aaron Rodgers rumors (Hackett was the OC in Green Bay). When the Rodgers move didn't happen, the Broncos went to Russ as their plan B. That means Hackett wasn't the fit they'd hoped for right from the off. Further, Hackett doesn't seem to know much of anything related to designing an offense for Russell Wilson or head coaching at the NFL level. Broncos fans absolutely hate him from what I've seen although he has hired veteran manpower to assist with game management. To be very clear, Russell Wilson has been awful - but like I said, the Broncos are stuck with him. They can simply hope he turns it around under the inexperienced Hackett or make a desperate move to bring in a proven offensive mind in an attempt to right the ship. Regarding their competitiveness this year; their defense is good - it's always been good going back to the Fangio days and it's keeping them in games for the most part. That has nothing to do with Hackett. They need to make the quarterback situation work. How confident are they that Hackett can make it work?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Nov 28, 2022 16:46:13 GMT
Hackett has had one year. He didn't make the trade for Wilson. Wilson looked like his best days had passed last year in Seattle. And, with the great receivers Denver has, it's obvious he aint what he was. And Denver has lost three OT games, two by one point and two by seven points. The only real piss beating was last week.
Lovie is probably gone but what did you expect? The team is almost devoid of talent. Someone in Houston actually thought Davis Mills was a NFL caliber QB. The Texans have a shitload of draft picks so they might as well get a new HC to go with the new team I think Kingsbury is gone. Arizona is up with Vegas and the LA teams as the huge underperformers. The big question will be if the Cards tear it all down and start over. If so, will they trade Kyler and how much can they get out of him? Teams might be gun shy about giving up a lot for a QB is light of the Russ Wilson deal (and if DeShaun Watson looks like shit). And the big wild card is Sean Payton. The Chargers or Bears might hold on to their HC but if Payton decides he wants to go there, you will see a HC cleaning out his desk tout suite. Hackett didn't make the Wilson trade but it's not hard to make the connection between his hiring and the Aaron Rodgers rumors (Hackett was the OC in Green Bay). When the Rodgers move didn't happen, the Broncos went to Russ as their plan B. That means Hackett wasn't the fit they'd hoped for right from the off. Further, Hackett doesn't seem to know much of anything related to designing an offense for Russell Wilson or head coaching at the NFL level. Broncos fans absolutely hate him from what I've seen although he has hired veteran manpower to assist with game management. To be very clear, Russell Wilson has been awful - but like I said, the Broncos are stuck with him. They can simply hope he turns it around under the inexperienced Hackett or make a desperate move to bring in a proven offensive mind in an attempt to right the ship. Regarding their competitiveness this year; their defense is good - it's always been good going back to the Fangio days and it's keeping them in games for the most part. That has nothing to do with Hackett. They need to make the quarterback situation work. How confident are they that Hackett can make it work? I don't think anyone can make Denver's QB situation work. The signs were there last season that Wilson had seen better days. Yeah, it should have been an off year but it was a gamble for Denver to give up that much for Russ. And now the Broncos owe him at least $165,000,000. That includes a mind numbing $37,000,000 in 2025. It's a symptom of the dominance of QB play in the NFL and the need to have one to be competitive. Denver hasn't had one since Manning quit and that's the last time they made the playoffs. They were getting tire of that and knew there was no NFL stud QB in the 2022 draft. Now they have an albatross around their necks, no 1st and 2nd in 2023 and no future. Is Hackett the answer, probably not. But I'm not sure anyone can help. Denver is probably in for a rough three to five years.
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Post by Shane Falco on Nov 29, 2022 6:58:14 GMT
Houston front office has to be rooting for Saturday's success so it wont seem so out there when they hire McCown. I'm not sure that job even with a shiny new QB in Young or Stroud is all that desirable for big name candidates like Payton or Demeco Ryan's.
Hackett as you said has to be gone as they can't fire Russ and they have to try and salvage that trade. Plus the new owner didn't make that hire so doubt he feels obligated to keep him.
Raiders can't afford to fire McDaniels. So I think he stays.
Campbell should stay. At least I hope he does. Love that dude.
Staley stays unless Payton wants that job and I honestly think it's the best fit for everyone unless Payton keeps Lombardi as play caller.
Ron Rivera I think has saved his job.
Kliff should be gone but I think he will stay because they're dumb.
Bowles I could see being gone if Tampa misses the playoffs and they blow up the team for a rebuild as I doubt Brady returns. If Brady plays next year I doubt it's there.
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Post by sdm3 on Nov 30, 2022 13:59:26 GMT
Well, I guess there’s nothing to see here, folks. It’s even capitalized; “Hackett has NOT lost the locker room.” I wonder who Pelissero’s source is? nhackett@broncos.com?
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Post by tristramshandy on Nov 30, 2022 19:47:47 GMT
What is this "Black Monday" of which you speak?  |
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 2, 2022 0:15:50 GMT
Wacky rumor I read on The Athletic. Ryan Day might be moving from Ohio State to the NFL. The Buckeyes won't fire him but there are rumblings that Day isn't happy in Columbus and he might move on if the price is right. And Ohio State will throw a ton of money at Ohio State legend Mike Vrabel to leave Tennessee. Probably just clickbait. And the last time an OSU coach went to the NFL didn't work out so well, did it?
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Post by Shane Falco on Dec 2, 2022 5:45:57 GMT
Wacky rumor I read on The Athletic. Ryan Day might be moving from Ohio State to the NFL. The Buckeyes won't fire him but there are rumblings that Day isn't happy in Columbus and he might move on if the price is right. And Ohio State will throw a ton of money at Ohio State legend Mike Vrabel to leave Tennessee. Probably just clickbait. And the last time an OSU coach went to the NFL didn't work out so well, did it? That would be dumb for all parties i think. Vrabel is on the short list of one of the best coaches in the NFL, why leave? I could see him using this as leverage for a raise and extention in Tennessee but nothing more. Also, who would want Ryan Day? These recent college to pros head coaching hires have not been good. You can only count s slim few in general that succeed and guys like Pete Carroll were NFL guys first before going the college route. Not sure what Jimmy Johnson's history shows. But just look at your Chip Kelly's, Urban Meyer, Nick Sabin, Steve Spurrier, Matt Rhule, the dude that quit in Atlanta Paterno or something rather? They don't tend to go well. Ben Solack of The Ringer had a rant on a podcast about how you should never bring a guy from college again. It was very convincing unless said guy had previous stints in the NFL like Carroll. Not sure if he wrote about it too but he was indeed convincing to me. That said, if Ryan Dsy is being considered to me it has to be by a team that is stupid. So, Arizona or Carolina come quickly to mind. Carolina and or Arizona going back to back college routes would be hilarious though. Texans maybe? Doubt they have a large list of candidates willing to take it. Edit for link: Was just a podcast not an article. www.theringer.com/platform/amp/2022/10/12/23401572/never-hire-a-college-coach-for-the-nfl-matt-rhule-nfl-carolina-panthers |
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 14, 2022 17:00:33 GMT
Nothing solid to report but my feeling is that Kingsbury is gone at the end of the year. He didn't tear Kyler's ACL, but that's just one more depressing facet of a wholly depressing season. I don't see why the Cards would want to run this back next year - more likely they'll want to see how Kyler looks with a new coach upon his recovery.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 14, 2022 17:10:16 GMT
Nothing solid to report but my feeling is that Kingsbury is gone at the end of the year. He didn't tear Kyler's ACL, but that's just one more depressing facet of a wholly depressing season. I don't see why the Cards would want to run this back next year - more likely they'll want to see how Kyler looks with a new coach upon his recovery. The little bit I’ve seen of Kyler Murray makes me think he’s an overrated douche. Is he really the QB to build a franchise around? |
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Post by Xeliou66 on Dec 14, 2022 18:46:41 GMT
Nothing solid to report but my feeling is that Kingsbury is gone at the end of the year. He didn't tear Kyler's ACL, but that's just one more depressing facet of a wholly depressing season. I don't see why the Cards would want to run this back next year - more likely they'll want to see how Kyler looks with a new coach upon his recovery. The little bit I’ve seen of Kyler Murray makes me think he’s an overrated douche. Is he really the QB to build a franchise around? I don’t think Murray is overrated, he’s a decent QB that I think you can build a franchise around. I agree Kliff is gone after this season, he just hasn’t gotten the job done and I didn’t think he was that good of a coach in college either. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 14, 2022 23:00:28 GMT
The little bit I’ve seen of Kyler Murray makes me think he’s an overrated douche. Is he really the QB to build a franchise around? I don’t think Murray is overrated, he’s a decent QB that I think you can build a franchise around. I agree Kliff is gone after this season, he just hasn’t gotten the job done and I didn’t think he was that good of a coach in college either. I think the logic with the Kingsbury hire was getting a young guy who saw the game in a way that would best utilize someone like Murray. I think the Cards' struggles are probably a combination of immaturity on Murray's part and lack of experience at this level with Kingsbury. His philosophy is sound, but he isn't a strong enough leader. And when you're getting subpar play from your QB, it's going to be tough on anyone. Not making excuses for him; you can't point to one thing and say, "If the Cards fix this, they'll be contenders." They've had one good season in four years under him, and went in the wrong direction this year even before the injury to Murray. A move is justified. |
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Post by NJtoTX on Dec 20, 2022 22:05:35 GMT
The most popular over in the preseason was the Colts over 9.5 wins.
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 20, 2022 22:10:05 GMT
The impression I get from Falcons fans is that Arthur Smith is very safe.
(just trying to steer the conversation as far away from the Colts as possible)
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Post by Winston Wolfe on Dec 20, 2022 22:25:31 GMT
If the Lions actually make the postseason, even if it's just the Wild Card, Campbell should be in the convo for coach of the year.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Dec 21, 2022 0:53:07 GMT
Nothing solid to report but my feeling is that Kingsbury is gone at the end of the year. He didn't tear Kyler's ACL, but that's just one more depressing facet of a wholly depressing season. I don't see why the Cards would want to run this back next year - more likely they'll want to see how Kyler looks with a new coach upon his recovery. The little bit I’ve seen of Kyler Murray makes me think he’s an overrated douche. Is he really the QB to build a franchise around? Maybe he can go back to Baseball. Kyler was the 9th overall pick in the 2018 draft. And how hard can it be to make the Oakland A's?
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Post by Shane Falco on Dec 21, 2022 5:15:03 GMT
The impression I get from Falcons fans is that Arthur Smith is very safe. (just trying to steer the conversation as far away from the Colts as possible) General concensus I've gotten is that the Falcons over achieved this year. Were expected to be in the #1 overall draft pick category and the fact that Smith has gotten them to as many wins as they've gotten to tells me he gets at least one more year for sure. Now if you listen to a fantasy analyst they will complain how horrible he is because he can't get Kyle Pitts enough points. |
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Post by sdm3 on Dec 23, 2022 20:48:53 GMT
Now that’s reporting!
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