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I'm really surprised that people don't believe, that science and mathematics and physics and so on, has already proven that "God" existed...

Well, maybe not the specific God as depicted in some religions, but at least a creator being of some sort at the moment of the Big Bang...


Seriously...

Our Universe is SO complex and incredible... How can anyone accept that it was just RANDOMLY created out of nothing, or simple "gravity waves" as some have claimed?


I've said it before, and I'll say it again... This is far more likely to happen...



And yet, as far as I know, no one has ever seen that actually happen.

It's like taking millions of blocks, and dropping them onto the ground, and they perfectly land to form an Egyptian pyramid with advanced mathematics encoded into it's geometry.

That just doesn't happen.


If our universe was randomly created, it really should have just been a big ball of space "goop".

And yet here we are, to debate the whole thing.


If you don't want to believe in a creator being, fine... But it is more likely our Universe got some help, than not.

Feel free to prove me wrong... But so far, science hasn't been able to prove the "random" creation of our complex Universe... They're still scratching their heads on how it all began.

Until someone does, people should keep an open mind.

"I'm really surprised that people don't believe, that science and mathematics and physics and so on, has already proven that "God" existed..."

Cain I see a peer reviewed study? If what you're saying is true, then why are majority of scientists nonreligious/atheist?


"Our Universe is SO complex and incredible..."

This argument has already been addressed, if you're gonna argue something complex can't "create itself" then why don't you apply this same argument to God? (after all what is more complex than a magical anthromorphical being that knows everything?)


"How can anyone accept that it was just RANDOMLY created out of nothing"

Lawrence Krauss (an astrophysicist) wrote a book about this if you're genuinely interested


"It's like taking millions of blocks, and dropping them onto the ground, and they perfectly land to form an Egyptian pyramid with advanced mathematics encoded into it's geometry."

False equivalancy, we know the pyramids were created by humans (unless of course you're one of those people that think they were created by space aliens). And the universe is hardly "geomterical" (the earth for instance is actully oval shaped, not a perfect sphere.


"But it is more likely our Universe got some help, than not."

Well no, if you go by the laws of averages, it far more likely came about through naturalistic means. Every time a scientific discovery gets made (contintental drift, mountain formations, gravity theory, atoms, biological evolution)  it turns out to be due to naturalistic causes, not supernatural, naturalistic explanations have a far better batting average.


"Feel free to prove me wrong."

I don't need to, the burden of proof is on you.


"Until someone does, people should keep an open mind."

Well no, if were gonna go down that route then you would have to keep an "open mind" for pretty much every absurd idea that can't be disproven (virtual reality theory, alien origin theory, Xenu), it's perfectly fine to write off outrageous claims that have no evidence.

Curious, what would convince you that God exists? What evidence would you need to react differently?

Well extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If someone were to claim they can start fires with their minds, I would need not only video tape evidence of them doing it, but also scientists/experts in a controlled environment to verify it isn't a trick (the James Randi challenge comes to mind). For me to believe that there is all knowing, all powerful anthromorphic being that created the universe, well then that would require extraordinary evidence (the God itself actually revealing itself through the sky, speaking to me, perhaps even performing supernatural feats such to further prove itself) and even then I would have to have myself medical examined to make sure I'm not hallucinating (maybe I'm suffering from a brain tumor). 

Claiming that maybe you're being deceived (a trick, a hallucination) is not a different reaction than those who claim evolution is a deception. What's weird about YEC's is their belief that God is the one deceiving them.

 If you say you believe in a god, I'll take your word for it. It's not an uncommon thing.

You don't need to prove that you believe in God. But if you claim God, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate God's existence.
I can claim that my socks are sentient, but without offering any sort of evidence in that regard, you can claim I am insane. And you would have a stronger case for that view, than I for mine.

I need to demonstrate God's existence to you so you don't call me crazy? If you believe your socks are sentient, you only need to prove that they are if you want me to believe it, too. Otherwise, all you need is sufficient reason to believe. Show me that and I won't call you crazy regardless of whether or not your socks are sentient.

Don't waste your time. You'll be chasing your tail around a tree.