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Post by mszanadu on May 31, 2017 21:14:47 GMT
mine is Call Northside 777 1948 . Of course I have many more noir film favorites but this was the one ( and to my knowledge here ) that actually had a " somewhat - happy ending " to it . IMPO - James Stewart as always was truly excellent in this role too .
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Post by mattgarth on May 31, 2017 22:44:22 GMT
Top three of very many:
D.O.A. Double Indemnity The Dark Corner
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Post by OldAussie on May 31, 2017 23:26:06 GMT
I've got 2 top favourites -
Out of the Past The Killers
Then, heaps of others.
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Post by outrider127 on May 31, 2017 23:43:15 GMT
DOA(1949)
Double Indemnity(1944)
The Postman Always Rings Twice(1947)
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Post by mikef6 on Jun 1, 2017 1:46:56 GMT
Can't pick one favorite. My head might explode. So here is a dirty dozen from around the world that will not fail to please.
Double Indemnity / Billy Wilder (1944) Murder, My Sweet / Edward Dmytryk (1944) The Killers / Robert Siodmak (1946) Key Largo / John Huston (1948) Obsession (The Hidden Room) / Edward Dmytryk (1949) D.O.A. / Rudolph Maté (1950) The Asphalt Jungle / John Huston (1950) The Thief / Russell Rouse (1952) Bob Le Flambeur (Bob The Gambler) (1955) Ascenseur Pour L’Échafaud (Elevator To The Gallows) / Louis Malle (1958) The Naked Edge / Michael Anderson (1961) Kawaita Hana (Pale Flower) / Masahiro Shinoda (1964)
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Post by london777 on Jun 1, 2017 3:38:30 GMT
mine is Call Northside 777 1948 . Of course I have many more noir film favorites but this was the one ( and to my knowledge here ) that actually had a " somewhat - happy ending " to it . IMPO - James Stewart as always was truly excellent in this role too . Good film, but only marginally a Noir. It is transitional. An early example of the semi-documentary style crime films that replaced Noir as the standard way to make crime stories in the 1950s, usually with a right-wing or pro-authority bias. The upbeat ending you noted is another clue to this.
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Post by london777 on Jun 1, 2017 4:44:28 GMT
Can't pick one favorite. My head might explode. LOL. I was just thinking I might have an orgasm thinking about them all at the same time. To help avoid either sort of metabolic disturbance, I shall simplify things by omitting neo-Noirs and non-English language Noirs. No trouble in deciding my first two: 1) Out of the Past (Jacques Tourneur) 1947 2) Double Indemnity (Billy Wilder) 1944 As a (more or less) Londoner I have to squeeze in these two: 3) Night and the City (Jules Dassin) 1950 (A BritNoir/FrogNoir hybrid) 4) It Always Rains on Sunday (Robert Hamer) 1947 (BritNoir). Many BritNoirs contained a lot of social realism, as in this case. 5) Detour (Edgar G. Ulmer) 1945. Too down-market to be a truly great movie, but surely the purest essence of Noir in just 67 minutes. Two I watch again and again when depressed. Bogart's dialog always cheers me up. 6) The Big Sleep (Howard Hawks) 1946 7) The Maltese Falcon (John Huston) 1941 The last "pure noir"?: 8) Kiss Me Deadly (Robert Aldrich) 1955 Two more "pure noirs" which help to define the canon: 9) The Asphalt Jungle (John Huston) 1950 10) The Big Heat (Fritz Lang) 1953 That is ten. You think I am finished, punk? I am a long way from finished! You will eat these and you will like it! Angel Face (Otto Preminger) 1953. As revealed in another thread, I have a Jean Simmons fetish. The Prowler (Joseph Losey) 1951. The Verdict (Don Siegel) 1946 Clash By Night (Fritz Lang) 1952 Odd Man Out (Carol Reed) 1947 BritNoir Nightmare Alley (Edmund Goulding) 1947 CarneyNoir Murder, My Sweet (Edward Dmytryk) 1944. Another which defined the canon. In a Lonely Place (Nicholas Ray) 1950 The Third Man (Carol Reed) 1949. BritNoir (though only one of the four leads was a Brit) These are not central to the Noir canon, but probably greater as movies than most above: Sunset Boulevard (Billy Wilder) 1950 Sweet Smell of Success (Alexander Mackendrick) 1957 Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton) 1955 Can I have a few more picks? Another thirty should do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 7:03:07 GMT
Les Diaboliques Le Doulos Elevator to the Gallows
come to mind.
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Post by poelzig on Jun 1, 2017 8:22:25 GMT
It's always too hard for me to pick my favorite movie in any genre and film noir is especially touch. A lot of my favorites already mentioned so I'll mention a few not mentioned that should be.
Touch of Evil Criss Cross Scarlet Street Act of Violence Lady in the Lake- Mainly because it's so unique.
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Post by manfromplanetx on Jun 1, 2017 23:07:03 GMT
Avoiding the usual suspects...Favourites from my collection not already mentioned, from around the world Dark, claustrophobic atmospheric, crime & psychological tales, stylish and creative with shadowy & expressive cinematography, flashbacks, stories of fate, revenge, murder, greed & lust, formidable femme fatales, just love them all
Raw Deal (1947) USA , Anthony Mann
Pociag , Night train (1959) Poland, Jerzy Kawalerowicz
Ossessione (1943) Italy, Luchino Visconti
Sellaisena kuin sinä minut halusit , The Way You Wanted Me (1944) Finland, Teuvo Tulio
En la palma de tu mano , In the Palm of Your Hand (1951) Mexico, Roberto Gavaldón
La mort de Belle, The End of Belle (1961) France, Édouard Molinaro
Krakatit (1948) Czechoslovakia, Otakar Vávra
Los tallos amargos , The Bitter Stems (1956) Argentina, Fernando Ayala
Flicka och hyacinter , Girl with Hyacinths (1950) Sweden, Hasse Ekman
Dual Alibi (1947) UK, Alfred Travers
John og Irene , John and Irene (1949) Denmark, Asbjørn Andersen, Anker Sørensen
Tsuma wa kokuhaku suru , A Wife Confesses (1961) Japan, Yasuzô Masumura
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Post by london777 on Jun 5, 2017 21:46:55 GMT
Top two out of so many: DOUBLE INDEMNITY OUT OF THE PAST Jun 1, 2017 0:44:28 GMT -4 london777 said: No trouble in deciding my first two: 1) Out of the Past (Jacques Tourneur) 1947 2) Double Indemnity (Billy Wilder) 1944
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Post by snsurone on Jun 5, 2017 22:27:01 GMT
MILDRED PIERCE THE MALTESE FALCON
BTW, I've heard it tell that TMF was the first American Film noir. Is that true?
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Post by politicidal on Jun 6, 2017 0:26:24 GMT
The Night of the Hunter and The Maltese Falcon.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jun 27, 2017 5:27:36 GMT
MILDRED PIERCE THE MALTESE FALCON BTW, I've heard it tell that TMF was the first American Film noir. Is that true? Is Mildred Pierce a noir? It may be; I am just curious as to what the argument might be for that classification as opposed to, say, a "women's melodrama." The Maltese Falcon is the consensus choice for the first noir (American or otherwise, I believe; after all, the French coined the genre label as a means of describing this new breed of American film that they observed following the end of World War II). But some people disagree, especially since The Maltese Falcon emerged in 1941, before the US actually entered the war. I have seen The Maltese Falcon about five times, the most recent being in the theater in February 2016. On that occasion, I was blown away by how relentlessly dark the film happens to be. One can see the influence of claustrophobic German horror films from the silent era such as The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (Robert Wiene, 1920), updated by the crackling dialogue of then-modern detective fiction and transplanted to the seedy urban underworld of America. The film's universe is a cesspool, full of distortion and virtually demented characters—even Bogart's Sam Spade to some extent. It really is quite wild and riveting.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jun 27, 2017 5:32:58 GMT
Les Diaboliques Le Doulos Elevator to the Gallowscome to mind. ... vintage Miles Davis score.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jun 27, 2017 5:38:36 GMT
5) Detour (Edgar G. Ulmer) 1945. Too down-market to be a truly great movie, but surely the purest essence of Noir in just 67 minutes. The last "pure noir"?: 8) Kiss Me Deadly (Robert Aldrich) 1955 ... very well-put regarding Detour. The intriguing thing about Kiss Me Deadly is that it represents one of the last classic films noir while also anticipating the James Bond era. What would your argument be against Touch of Evil constituting the final "pure noir"? I can see what you mean (if you meant it), but I am curious as to your articulation. Too inherently parodic? Too self-conscious?
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Post by manfromplanetx on Jun 28, 2017 1:07:33 GMT
A Mexican Film Noir watched since my previous post, I highly recommended for all enthusiasts... Sensualidad , Sensuality (1951) Mexico, Directed by Alberto Gout a very dark tale starring dancer/actress Ninón Sevilla as (Aurora) Kathie Moffat looks like the fairy godmother alongside this manipulative, formidable femme fatale,
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Post by london777 on Jun 28, 2017 3:39:14 GMT
The intriguing thing about Kiss Me Deadly is that it represents one of the last classic films noir while also anticipating the James Bond era. Cannot see any connection between Kiss Me Deadly and James Bond films. The James Bond novels were like Richard Hannay and Bulldog Drummond seen through a noir mirror, more cynical and ruthless, but this was largely smoothed over for the movies. Mike Hammer is not motivated by patriotism or wish to foil a grand conspiracy. His concerns are personal revenge for his wounded pride and for his murdered and injured friends. Touch of Evil is certainly later and a noir. Despite some wonderful scenes I am not an uncritical admirer and it seems to me to be a bit of medley of elements. The kidnap scene with the teen gang belongs in another film and was an attempt to include what had become trendy since the Wild One (1953) and Rebel Without a Cause (1955). Similarly the excellent Marlene Dietrich scenes were totally unnecessary to the plot and were there to add a little international sophistication. Heston's boot-polish complexion is absurd, and the climax where he is creeping along below the jetty is so contrived and unrealistic as to make him look like Inspector Clouseau. The reason I do not think it is "pure" noir is that Heston, the protagonist, is not a conflicted or ambiguous character. He has a difficult and dangerous job but there is no sense that he is trapped by fate or has made bad choices. Quinlan could have been a typical noir protagonist. Pete Menzies and Tana both tell us he once once a great cop even if his method were dubious, but by the time we see him he is just a corrupt wreck. Quinlan was doomed by bad choices but this was not central to the movie and his decline was complete before the action starts. I have never considered it parodic, but a bit self-conscious maybe: Pure noir = we have a minimal budget and half the crew start on another movie in two weeks. Let us do this thing and no retakes. Touch of Evil = I am a genius and I am going to make a noir which is a work of art (except that he would not have thought of it as "noir" that early). I do like the film but it is a long way from the central noir canon.
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Post by poelzig on Jun 28, 2017 7:09:37 GMT
MILDRED PIERCE THE MALTESE FALCON BTW, I've heard it tell that TMF was the first American Film noir. Is that true? What do you mean first AMERICAN film noir? Like most film genres noir (despite the french tag) is a creation of America. Most attempts at noir from other countries are pale imitations at best and definitely only appeared after the US created the genre.
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Post by london777 on Jun 28, 2017 15:51:54 GMT
MILDRED PIERCE THE MALTESE FALCON BTW, I've heard it tell that TMF was the first American Film noir. Is that true? What do you mean first AMERICAN film noir? Like most film genres noir (despite the french tag) is a creation of America. You are right. The word "American" is redundant here as the first Film Noir would be American by definition. Perhaps snsurone had at the back of her mind the fact that most of the ingredients that made up Film Noir were European in origin (as were most of the principal Noir directors but that is a different issue), like German Expressionist direction and camerawork, French ambivalent characterization, the English tradition of crime writing (especially James Hadley Chase and Raymond Chandler, who was a British citizen during his formative years) and the new craze for European psychology, especially Freud. Some earlier European films are sometimes loosely called Noirs (though not by me) but this is only back-projection. Had America not come up with the (reasonably well defined) Film Noir recipe, no-one would think of labeling them in that way. They would have remained as melodramas, murder mysteries, or whatever. Many are for sure, but they disappear from view like any other poor films. But there are others which are excellent, and inferior only to perhaps the best three or four American noir movies. They are not "imitations", but European film-makers continuing to work in their own ways but strongly influenced by American noir, just as American noir was a continuation of American movie-making but strongly influenced by European ingredients such as those cited above.
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