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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 8, 2023 15:45:45 GMT
The MCU’s glory days are over because they kept dropping the ball. I love how fickle the "fans" are showing themselves to be. When Phase 4 started with the D+ shows, Shang Chi and No Way Home everyone was loving it all.
Then Love and Thunder came out and all of sudden it's all "Oh, I never liked anything in Phase 4 except Spider-Man". ONE MEDIOCRE MOVIE and that's all it took.
Hypocrites.
I didn’t care for Shang-Chi and haven’t seen No Way Home. The MCU has been massively flawed from the beginning AFAIC. |
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Post by Lux on Jan 8, 2023 16:14:49 GMT
You would think that a grown adult with a photo of a rabbit on a public forum would know that power ranger was joking. Now go feed Bunny. I wasn’t. Whether you were joking or not it's not for someone with a photo of a rabbit to dictate what level of script writer is wanted for comic book movies. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 8, 2023 21:21:30 GMT
I enjoy James Gunn's work, but nothing I have ever seen of his suggests to me that he is the perfect candidate to write for one of the most aspirational figures in modern folklore.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 9, 2023 0:26:49 GMT
I love how fickle the "fans" are showing themselves to be. When Phase 4 started with the D+ shows, Shang Chi and No Way Home everyone was loving it all.
Then Love and Thunder came out and all of sudden it's all "Oh, I never liked anything in Phase 4 except Spider-Man". ONE MEDIOCRE MOVIE and that's all it took.
Hypocrites.
I didn’t care for Shang-Chi and haven’t seen No Way Home. The MCU has been massively flawed from the beginning AFAIC. I appreciate it for doing away with that "the only good CBMs are the ones ashamed of their origins" attitude that Dark Knight created. |
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Post by amyghost on Jan 9, 2023 12:00:33 GMT
Superman requires a dignified, sophisticated script.Ffs, all these movies are adaptations of comic books that were originally aimed at pre-and-sub-adolescent readers. We're not talking of filming the life of Gandhi or any significant figure whose existence bettered the life of humanity. Fannish 'reverence' cracks me up sometimes. The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre. If superhero films are limited, you are limited. No, mistaking comic books for literature is limited. They may have their own merits in some respects, but they're essentially (and necessarily) simplistic as compared to any literary work. I have no idea what's meant by "The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre" apart from the fact that they were perceived as gorier and more 'dark' than the average comic book or adaptation thereof. I'm well aware that in current parlance, darker and bloodier automatically reads as more 'deep' and adult to the masses; but sorry, kids--it ain't necessarily so, and with relation to this particular form, it definitely ain't. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 9, 2023 12:04:25 GMT
The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre. If superhero films are limited, you are limited. No, mistaking comic books for literature is limited. They may have their own merits in some respects, but they're essentially (and necessarily) simplistic as compered to any literary work. I have no idea what's meant by "The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre" apart from the fact that they were perceived as gorier and more 'dark' than the average comic book or adaptation thereof. I'm well aware that in current parlance, darker and bloodier automatically reads as more 'deep' and adult to the masses; but sorry, kids--it ain't necessarily so, and with relation to this particular form, it definitely ain't. They can aspire to be more and can be more. To think otherwise is myopic. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 9, 2023 12:11:32 GMT
The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre. If superhero films are limited, you are limited. No, mistaking comic books for literature is limited. They may have their own merits in some respects, but they're essentially (and necessarily) simplistic as compared to any literary work. I have no idea what's meant by "The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre" apart from the fact that they were perceived as gorier and more 'dark' than the average comic book or adaptation thereof. I'm well aware that in current parlance, darker and bloodier automatically reads as more 'deep' and adult to the masses; but sorry, kids--it ain't necessarily so, and with relation to this particular form, it definitely ain't. Are you seriously saying that a story that features say, Batman, can’t be literature of a high quality? You can always just concede that you were wrong. |
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Post by amyghost on Jan 10, 2023 1:16:59 GMT
No, mistaking comic books for literature is limited. They may have their own merits in some respects, but they're essentially (and necessarily) simplistic as compared to any literary work. I have no idea what's meant by "The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre" apart from the fact that they were perceived as gorier and more 'dark' than the average comic book or adaptation thereof. I'm well aware that in current parlance, darker and bloodier automatically reads as more 'deep' and adult to the masses; but sorry, kids--it ain't necessarily so, and with relation to this particular form, it definitely ain't. Are you seriously saying that a story that features say, Batman, can’t be literature of a high quality? You can always just concede that you were wrong. Yes. I'm seriously saying that. |
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Post by amyghost on Jan 10, 2023 1:18:15 GMT
No, mistaking comic books for literature is limited. They may have their own merits in some respects, but they're essentially (and necessarily) simplistic as compered to any literary work. I have no idea what's meant by "The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre" apart from the fact that they were perceived as gorier and more 'dark' than the average comic book or adaptation thereof. I'm well aware that in current parlance, darker and bloodier automatically reads as more 'deep' and adult to the masses; but sorry, kids--it ain't necessarily so, and with relation to this particular form, it definitely ain't. They can aspire to be more and can be more. To think otherwise is myopic. They can aspire all they want. I've seen no evidence that they're more than I've pointed out. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 10, 2023 1:46:35 GMT
Dignified and sophisticated has a limit in the comic book genre.
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 10, 2023 1:52:57 GMT
The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre. If superhero films are limited, you are limited. No, mistaking comic books for literature is limited. They may have their own merits in some respects, but they're essentially (and necessarily) simplistic as compared to any literary work. I have no idea what's meant by "The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre" apart from the fact that they were perceived as gorier and more 'dark' than the average comic book or adaptation thereof. I'm well aware that in current parlance, darker and bloodier automatically reads as more 'deep' and adult to the masses; but sorry, kids--it ain't necessarily so, and with relation to this particular form, it definitely ain't. Joker works at different level because of its heavy allusion to the King of Comedy. The movie could hit my elusive 10 star rating if the Arthur had been played as a man who only thinks he exists in Batman’s world, however he’s not in Gotham City, but 1970s New York and the future Batman doesn’t exist. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 10, 2023 4:00:00 GMT
No, mistaking comic books for literature is limited. They may have their own merits in some respects, but they're essentially (and necessarily) simplistic as compared to any literary work. I have no idea what's meant by "The Dark Knight and Joker rose above the expectations of the genre" apart from the fact that they were perceived as gorier and more 'dark' than the average comic book or adaptation thereof. I'm well aware that in current parlance, darker and bloodier automatically reads as more 'deep' and adult to the masses; but sorry, kids--it ain't necessarily so, and with relation to this particular form, it definitely ain't. Joker works at different level because of its heavy allusion to the King of Comedy. The movie could hit my elusive 10 star rating if the Arthur had been played as a man who only thinks he exists in Batman’s world, however he’s not in Gotham City, but 1970s New York and the future Batman doesn’t exist. IE, you wish it really was just an In Name Only film? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 10, 2023 4:06:49 GMT
Joker works at different level because of its heavy allusion to the King of Comedy. The movie could hit my elusive 10 star rating if the Arthur had been played as a man who only thinks he exists in Batman’s world, however he’s not in Gotham City, but 1970s New York and the future Batman doesn’t exist. IE, you wish it really was just an In Name Only film? Just a twist in delivering a familiar narrative where the insane man living in an insane world creates a comic book reality. Think Charlie Mason. Or dozens of others. Real Jokers live amongst us while there are no real Batmans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 6:41:29 GMT
Are you seriously saying that a story that features say, Batman, can’t be literature of a high quality? You can always just concede that you were wrong. Yes. I'm seriously saying that. What about fiction that features elves? Or time travel? Or aliens? Not literature either? Where do you draw this line? Is HG Wells literature? Is Tolkien? |
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Post by amyghost on Jan 11, 2023 1:03:07 GMT
Yes. I'm seriously saying that. What about fiction that features elves? Or time travel? Or aliens? Not literature either? Where do you draw this line? Is HG Wells literature? Is Tolkien? Tolkien and Wells would qualify as literature in the sense that both writers touch on themes that can't be easily explicated in simple terms (though of course both men have had a number of their works translated into other mediums that pared away the literary complexities and presented the stories in a simpler manner). The late author Gore Vidal once remarked that no matter how well-written a piece of SF or fantasy might be it couldn't be literature on the highest level because it was not, literally, true; with some reservations, I tend to agree with that. And no comic book, no matter how well done it may be within its particular parameters, can hope to approach the level of either of those authors novelistic creations. |
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Post by leesilm on Feb 21, 2023 5:39:56 GMT
When Gunn tweeted out, asking people what they wanted to see at the big announcement thing he was doing, my response was, "Your resignation." I love how fickle "fans" are. Everyone was cheering when Gunn was announced, and the instant he does one thing (that was inevitable anyways) they dislike, those same people are now clamoring for his resignation. No fickleness here. I've always disliked Gunn. He's creepy, and he couldn't make a good film even with a cast of phenomenal actors and the might of Disney behind him. So I had no hope of him improving anything at DC/WB. Fans can be fickle, for sure, however this is just that Gunn was a terrible choice. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 21, 2023 6:15:04 GMT
Superman has been betrayed.  He now seeks another universe.  |
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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 21, 2023 16:21:59 GMT
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Post by leesilm on Feb 22, 2023 5:59:47 GMT
Wait till Bruce and Arthur realize their papas have the same name.
(I say this as someone who will defend the MARTHA SCENE till I'm blue in the face)
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