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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 20, 2022 2:34:04 GMT
Yes they do, Harold. All futurism is. No human being knows how the world will end, all we can do is guess. If anyone attempts this while speaking for the church, they are subject to excommunication. There is no blueprint for what will happen despite what is written in Revelations or any other eschatology passages in the Bible. The Apocalypse of John is allusions that can have multiple interruptions, it’s best left alone by the faithful. Why do you think the Roman Catholic discouraged reading the Bible until Vatican II? The Church itself almost didn’t include it in the final canon, but it was such a thrilling read and could be applied to any of the Roman Empire regimes at the time. But they never had a doctrine interrupting this one line in Bible as a physical assumption of living human beings literally into the clouds to meet Jesus on his way down to begin 1000 years of Tribulation. Had anyone said so in the olden days, they would’ve been burned at the stake. Paul is not speaking literally. That’s obvious in the context of what he wrote. This Apocalyptic preaching ministries are a chaotic buffet of cherry picked passages that do not say what these fat and sleek little preachers are selling to the uneducated. Read the Wikipedia history on the Rapture. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture That's not what the apologist said on Catholic Answers. That’s a lay-run apostolate with a non-Church affiliated website, I’d have to read the article before I can make a judgment on it, even so Catholic Answers has a first amendment right to publish what they want. Free speech and separation of church and state prevents any bishop from shutting them down, however the church can excommunicate the author if it chooses. We are an independent, lay-run apostolate that is fully faithful to the magisterium of the Catholic Church, but we neither ask for—nor receive—financial support from the Vatican, any diocese or bishops conference, or any other organization that is part of the institutional Catholic Church. Donations to Catholic Answers, a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, are tax-deductible to the extent permitted by law. www.catholic.com/about They can say they are faithful to the magisterium, but that could mean they don’t recognize any church doctrine since Vatican II. There are lot of traditionalist, old Latin mass Catholics out of step with the church. Did you read the Wikipedia article? Answer: nope. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2022 2:38:15 GMT
That's not what the apologist said on Catholic Answers. That’s a lay-run apostolate with a non-Church affiliated website, I’d have to read the article before I can make a judgment on it, even so Catholic Answers has a first amendment right to publish what they want. Free speech and separation of church and state prevents any bishop from shutting them down, however the church can excommunicate the author if it chooses. We are an independent, lay-run apostolate that is fully faithful to the magisterium of the Catholic Church, but we neither ask for—nor receive—financial support from the Vatican, any diocese or bishops conference, or any other organization that is part of the institutional Catholic Church. Donations to Catholic Answers, a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, are tax-deductible to the extent permitted by law. www.catholic.com/about They can say they are faithful to the magisterium, but that could mean they don’t recognize any church doctrine since Vatican II. There are lot of traditionalist, old Latin mass Catholics out of step with the church. Did you read the Wikipedia article? Answer: nope. No, not yet, but I'll get to it. If you're going to be snarky, I'll just move along. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 20, 2022 2:40:51 GMT
Yes they do, Harold. All futurism is. No human being knows how the world will end, all we can do is guess. If anyone attempts this while speaking for the church, they are subject to excommunication. There is no blueprint for what will happen despite what is written in Revelations or any other eschatology passages in the Bible. The Apocalypse of John is allusions that can have multiple interruptions, it’s best left alone by the faithful. Why do you think the Roman Catholic discouraged reading the Bible until Vatican II? The Church itself almost didn’t include it in the final canon, but it was such a thrilling read and could be applied to any of the Roman Empire regimes at the time. But they never had a doctrine interrupting this one line in Bible as a physical assumption of living human beings literally into the clouds to meet Jesus on his way down to begin 1000 years of Tribulation. Had anyone said so in the olden days, they would’ve been burned at the stake. Paul is not speaking literally. That’s obvious in the context of what he wrote. This Apocalyptic preaching ministries are a chaotic buffet of cherry picked passages that do not say what these fat and sleek little preachers are selling to the uneducated. Read the Wikipedia history on the Rapture. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapture That's not what the apologist said on Catholic Answers. One thing I’ve noticed in watching EWTN channel and reading Traditionalist Catholic websites, is the number of former Evangelicals and Pentecostals attracted into the Church. It seems like most of them are seeking a deeper, more compassionate spirituality than Fundamentalist determinism offers…plus the ritual and pieties. If possible some of these lay Catholic sites are being influenced by the newcomers eschatological beliefs that are more in line with their former faith. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2022 2:43:10 GMT
That's not what the apologist said on Catholic Answers. One thing I’ve noticed in watching EWTN channel and reading Traditionalist Catholic websites, is the number of former Evangelicals and Pentecostals attracted into the Church. It seems like most of them are seeking a deeper, more compassionate spirituality than Fundamentalist determinism offers…plus the ritual and pieties. If possible some of these lay Catholic sites are being influenced by the newcomers eschatological beliefs that are more in line with their former faith. Very possible. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Dec 20, 2022 2:43:18 GMT
That’s a lay-run apostolate with a non-Church affiliated website, I’d have to read the article before I can make a judgment on it, even so Catholic Answers has a first amendment right to publish what they want. Free speech and separation of church and state prevents any bishop from shutting them down, however the church can excommunicate the author if it chooses. We are an independent, lay-run apostolate that is fully faithful to the magisterium of the Catholic Church, but we neither ask for—nor receive—financial support from the Vatican, any diocese or bishops conference, or any other organization that is part of the institutional Catholic Church. Donations to Catholic Answers, a registered 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, are tax-deductible to the extent permitted by law. www.catholic.com/about They can say they are faithful to the magisterium, but that could mean they don’t recognize any church doctrine since Vatican II. There are lot of traditionalist, old Latin mass Catholics out of step with the church. Did you read the Wikipedia article? Answer: nope. No, not yet, but I'll get to it. If you're going to be snarky, I'll just move along. I’m not being snarky, but I know you. You have the End Times all mapped out with the pushpins, red string, and all. How’s prison life treating you?  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 20, 2022 2:51:52 GMT
No, not yet, but I'll get to it. If you're going to be snarky, I'll just move along. I’m not being snarky, but I know you. You have the End Times all mapped out with the pushpins, red string, and all. If you really knew me, you'd know that isn't true at all. Lot of things I haven't figured out. Not that bad anymore. I should be dead and out of it in about fourteen more years at the latest. |
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