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Post by movieliker on Dec 27, 2022 18:04:30 GMT
The original show is one of the best shows ever on TV.
But it wasn't perfect. Lawyers cannot approach the witness, the jury box, or enter the well. They do constantly on Law & Order.
"Indifference", Season 1, Episode 9 was not one of their best. It was dramatic and entertaining. But intentionally vague for dramatic and entertainment reasons.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 27, 2023 19:20:49 GMT
Anybody catch last night's episode? Was anybody else expecting after the judge ruled they couldn't use the cell phone footage of the shooting that Max would post the video on social media? Don't know if it would've helped the case, but good luck unringing that bell with a jury when the whole world sees it.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jan 28, 2023 1:04:52 GMT
Anybody catch last night's episode? Was anybody else expecting after the judge ruled they couldn't use the cell phone footage of the shooting that Max would post the video on social media? Don't know if it would've helped the case, but good luck unringing that bell with a jury when the whole world sees it. Yes I watched it last night. I didn’t think the influencer would post it online because it would harm his public image, he had good reason to not want people seeing it. I couldn’t believe the judge allowed the inflammatory questions where the defense implied, without any proof, that the building super was a pedophile preying on the victim and that’s why the victim kicked his door in. That was ridiculous, I couldn’t believe the judge allowed that line of questioning. I love L&O - I can watch it over and over, very compelling show. I’m enjoying the revival of it and I hope it gets renewed again. Right now I think the detective part of the show is a little bit better than the legal part, I like the Cosgrove/Shaw pairing and I find the detective stuff well done. I’m fine with Price and Maroun, the two prosecutors, they are a bit low key but they are okay, but it seems like the writing is shakier for the legal stuff, either you have judges making absurd decisions or some of the same themes get repeated. I love seeing Jack McCoy again and I hope he stays with the show for as long as he can, he’s a legendary character.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 28, 2023 2:39:28 GMT
Anybody catch last night's episode? Was anybody else expecting after the judge ruled they couldn't use the cell phone footage of the shooting that Max would post the video on social media? Don't know if it would've helped the case, but good luck unringing that bell with a jury when the whole world sees it. Yes I watched it last night. I didn’t think the influencer would post it online because it would harm his public image, he had good reason to not want people seeing it. I couldn’t believe the judge allowed the inflammatory questions where the defense implied, without any proof, that the building super was a pedophile preying on the victim and that’s why the victim kicked his door in. That was ridiculous, I couldn’t believe the judge allowed that line of questioning.I love L&O - I can watch it over and over, very compelling show. I’m enjoying the revival of it and I hope it gets renewed again. Right now I think the detective part of the show is a little bit better than the legal part, I like the Cosgrove/Shaw pairing and I find the detective stuff well done. I’m fine with Price and Maroun, the two prosecutors, they are a bit low key but they are okay, but it seems like the writing is shakier for the legal stuff, either you have judges making absurd decisions or some of the same themes get repeated. I love seeing Jack McCoy again and I hope he stays with the show for as long as he can, he’s a legendary character.
I was expecting a twist that she must have a following too. But nobody ever explained just WHERE those photos magically came from, the victim clearly didn't take them.
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Post by movieliker on Jan 28, 2023 18:47:10 GMT
novastar6 & Xeliou66- I think the original Law & Order is better than the reboot. - And I think the original was great for normal people who were not lawyers. Because it brought to light social issues, and the way the legal and justice systems worked. But looking back, and growing up in a family full of lawyers and judges, I see where and when they sacrificed realism for the sake of cheap and contrived drama. - (One dramatic and unrealistic contrivance they often used in the original was, it appeared that none of the testifying witnesses were ever prepped. So they were often caught off guard, on the stand, during cross examination. That is not the way it is in real life. Lawyers and prosecutors prep their witnesses for cross examination. By asking them any and every question the opposing lawyers may ask. So they are not caught off guard during cross. It's not as dramatic in real life. But more effective in trying to win a case.) - (Another thing, I think the original show didn't make clear was, the show only focused on the most interesting and trying cases. Most cases the police and prosecutors deal with, are slam dunk easy. This show never showed those cases. Only the most difficult, interesting and provocative. Many viewers got the mistaken impression that all the cases the police and prosecutors dealt with were difficult.)
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Post by Xeliou66 on Jan 28, 2023 20:40:19 GMT
novastar6 & Xeliou66 - I think the original Law & Order is better than the reboot. - And I think the original was great for normal people who were not lawyers. Because it brought to light social issues, and the way the legal and justice systems worked. But looking back, and growing up in a family full of lawyers and judges, I see where and when they sacrificed realism for the sake of cheap and contrived drama. - (One dramatic and unrealistic contrivance they often used in the original was, it appeared that none of the testifying witnesses were ever prepped. So they were often caught off guard, on the stand, during cross examination. That is not the way it is in real life. Lawyers and prosecutors prep their witnesses for cross examination. By asking them any and every question the opposing lawyers may ask. So they are not caught off guard during cross. It's not as dramatic in real life. But more effective in trying to win a case.) - (Another thing, I think the original show didn't make clear was, the show only focused on the most interesting and trying cases. Most cases the police and prosecutors deal with are slam dunk easy. This show never showed those cases. Only the most difficult, interesting and provocative. Many viewers got the mistaken impression that all the cases the police and prosecutors dealt with were difficult.) Yeah I never expect full blown realism from a tv show and yeah the show would always have cases with some twists to it because an open and shut case wouldn’t be that entertaining, but it’s always been a very compelling show with fascinating cases and characters. Regarding the prepping of witnesses, we’ve seen that a few times in the show where the DA’s will prep the witnesses, they just don’t have the time in an hour to show us all of that. I think the revival has improved this in this season but the original run was fantastic and the show never should’ve been canceled back in 2010.
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Post by novastar6 on Jan 28, 2023 23:59:10 GMT
One thing the revival is getting very wrong, watch the dates, they go from murder investigation to criminal trial in about a week. Even this time, the bail judge said Max was a month shy of 18, he's STILL a minor when Wheeler goes on trial.
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 2, 2023 6:05:57 GMT
Oh I had a comment about the previous episode too, the school kid who kicked a man to death because he was high on CBD , if that episode had taken place when Jack McCoy was the lead prosecutor, halfway through he would've gotten a sentence/plea deal from the kid, and then he would've gone after the CBD manufacturers for making it 90% strength.
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Post by movieliker on Feb 2, 2023 15:03:18 GMT
novastar6 & Xeliou66 - I think the original Law & Order is better than the reboot. - And I think the original was great for normal people who were not lawyers. Because it brought to light social issues, and the way the legal and justice systems worked. But looking back, and growing up in a family full of lawyers and judges, I see where and when they sacrificed realism for the sake of cheap and contrived drama. - (One dramatic and unrealistic contrivance they often used in the original was, it appeared that none of the testifying witnesses were ever prepped. So they were often caught off guard, on the stand, during cross examination. That is not the way it is in real life. Lawyers and prosecutors prep their witnesses for cross examination. By asking them any and every question the opposing lawyers may ask. So they are not caught off guard during cross. It's not as dramatic in real life. But more effective in trying to win a case.) - (Another thing, I think the original show didn't make clear was, the show only focused on the most interesting and trying cases. Most cases the police and prosecutors deal with are slam dunk easy. This show never showed those cases. Only the most difficult, interesting and provocative. Many viewers got the mistaken impression that all the cases the police and prosecutors dealt with were difficult.) Yeah I never expect full blown realism from a tv show and yeah the show would always have cases with some twists to it because an open and shut case wouldn’t be that entertaining, but it’s always been a very compelling show with fascinating cases and characters. Regarding the prepping of witnesses, we’ve seen that a few times in the show where the DA’s will prep the witnesses, they just don’t have the time in an hour to show us all of that. I think the revival has improved this in this season but the original run was fantastic and the show never should’ve been canceled back in 2010. They don't have to show them prepping the witnesses. But the end result of witnesses being prepped, would be less dramatic moments on the stand. Once again, that would be more realistic. But less entertaining.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Feb 18, 2023 4:11:42 GMT
One thing that annoys me about the L&O revival is the writers feeling the need to add in a final “shocking” twist at the very end of episodes, the show works better with more low key endings. For example in last night’s episode they added in the twist of the officer who was a witness committing suicide at the end, that was unnecessary. The ending twists, and the foot chases, are my two biggest pet peeves with current L&O. Other than that I’m enjoying the show.
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Post by novastar6 on Feb 18, 2023 6:10:21 GMT
One thing that annoys me about the L&O revival is the writers feeling the need to add in a final “shocking” twist at the very end of episodes, the show works better with more low key endings. For example in last night’s episode they added in the twist of the officer who was a witness committing suicide at the end, that was unnecessary. The ending twists, and the foot chases, are my two biggest pet peeves with current L&O. Other than that I’m enjoying the show.
Agreed, it would've made more sense if they'd given a little more insight to his character. I thought this was going to be a commentary on like the school shootings where the cops just waited outside until it was over and then went in after the killer either escaped or was dead, but if it actually was, they should've given us more to go on than that.
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Post by forca84 on Feb 20, 2023 3:56:51 GMT
All the "Law & Order" shows are like comfort food... I've liked the newer episodes for the most part. Need to remember to watch them. I never could get into "Organized Crime". But "Trial by Jury" was good.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 20, 2023 17:05:39 GMT
All the "Law & Order" shows are like comfort food... I've liked the newer episodes for the most part. Need to remember to watch them. I never could get into "Organized Crime". But "Trial by Jury" was good. I enjoyed Trial by Jury quite a bit; I found the premise of how juries get selected most interesting. I was sorry that it turned out to be the least popular L&O franchise and sank quickly.
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Post by Xeliou66 on Feb 21, 2023 17:25:32 GMT
I agree Trial By Jury was interesting - I think the death of Jerry Orbach hurt the show massively because he was only able to film 2 episodes before he died, and his replacement wasn’t a good character.
I agree about L&O being like comfort food - I can watch the reruns of the Mothership over and over, and I enjoy SVU and Criminal Intent as well. Organized Crime feels different because it’s serialized and has story arcs, not a bad show but doesn’t feel like L&O. I’m enjoying the new episodes of the Mothership - I like the detective pairing of Shaw/Cosgrove and it’s great to have Jack McCoy back. I still watch SVU as well, even though it’s quality has declined - it’s overly focused on Olivia Benson and her personal life and she is portrayed as a saint who can do no wrong now. I did like last week’s SVU - it was centered around Fin and was well written.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 22, 2023 13:28:47 GMT
I agree Trial By Jury was interesting - I think the death of Jerry Orbach hurt the show massively because he was only able to film 2 episodes before he died, and his replacement wasn’t a good character. I agree about L&O being like comfort food - I can watch the reruns of the Mothership over and over, and I enjoy SVU and Criminal Intent as well. Organized Crime feels different because it’s serialized and has story arcs, not a bad show but doesn’t feel like L&O. I’m enjoying the new episodes of the Mothership - I like the detective pairing of Shaw/Cosgrove and it’s great to have Jack McCoy back. I still watch SVU as well, even though it’s quality has declined - it’s overly focused on Olivia Benson and her personal life and she is portrayed as a saint who can do no wrong now. I did like last week’s SVU - it was centered around Fin and was well written. Always good to meet up with another Trial by Jury fan; and I'm with you that OC just doesn't have the L&O quality to it. I admit to throwing in the towel sometime back on SVU, when the show appeared to have definitively morphed into The Life and Times of Olivia Benson. Because of that, I've probably missed a few good eps that escaped being centered around Saint Liv--I should look them up. I also agree it was great to see Waterston back; one minor disappointment for me is that Linus Roache didn't return as Mike Cutter--I liked the actor and character quite a lot. But I assume he's resumed his career in the UK and probably wasn't prepared to come back to the show for the long haul. Maybe one day...
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Post by Xeliou66 on Feb 24, 2023 17:47:40 GMT
Last night’s L&O was good - I liked the twists it took about who the perp was and how the guy was stirring up fear of crime in neighborhoods in order to try to profit from it, it was an interesting plot. Shaw and Cosgrove are a good pairing, and Shaw’s side plot with dealing with IAB and the patrol cops could’ve gone sideways but was actually decent. There were no foot chases and no unnecessary final twist for shock value. Both the legal and detective stuff were good. Good episode.
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Post by novastar6 on May 20, 2023 4:34:45 GMT
Anybody catch the finale this week?
One thing that comes to mind, the Critical Drinker's 'why modern movies suck' series, one installment: 'they're written by children'. Compared to the show 20 years ago, I really get that vibe from how they ended the season, just feels like a whole lot of nothing. Jack's daughter inherited none of his bite as a lawyer and it's painful watching her try to 'work'.
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