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Post by Winston Wolfe on Jan 26, 2023 15:52:09 GMT
The Bucs won the Super Bowl in 2020 but not 2021... They must have been a 'Fluke'... The Rams won the Super Bowl in 2022 but not 2023... They must have been a 'Fluke'... Yeah dude, I think we got it by now.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 15:53:36 GMT
No one said they were, Señor Strawman. There's a reason you both keep using fallacies as your "argument" - it's because you're not smart. And yet you’re still losing the argument! LOL And that backup quarterback argument you keep harping on… Foles was the starter the following season. And you who else was a backup quarterback and only wound up playing in a Super Bowl because the starter got injured? Tom Brady. But but but! We didn't have a 1,000 rusher or 1,000 receiver! Because that's how titles are won!
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 26, 2023 15:57:06 GMT
No one said they were, Señor Strawman. There's a reason you both keep using fallacies as your "argument" - it's because you're not smart. And yet you’re still losing the argument! LOL And that backup quarterback argument you keep harping on… Foles was the starter the following season. And you who else was a backup quarterback and only wound up playing in a Super Bowl because the starter got injured? Tom Brady.Who went on to win five more Super Bowls with that team, and one with another. Not a fluke. What Foles did was absolutely a fluke. I don't think you'd be agreeing with Frogs if you read through the thread. Nobody is saying what the Eagles accomplished that season wasn't amazing. But that entire season looks like a fluke if you step back and look at what happened afterward.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 16:00:16 GMT
And yet you’re still losing the argument! LOL And that backup quarterback argument you keep harping on… Foles was the starter the following season. And you who else was a backup quarterback and only wound up playing in a Super Bowl because the starter got injured? Tom Brady.Who went on to win five more Super Bowls with that team, and one with another. Not a fluke. What Foles did was absolutely a fluke. I don't think you'd be agreeing with Frogs if you read through the thread. Nobody is saying what the Eagles accomplished that season wasn't amazing. But that entire season looks like a fluke if you step back and look at what happened afterward. What happened afterwards is we were within 30 yards of the NFC Championship Game the next year We then had inner turmoil with upper management, our head coach and our QB That's what happened There are still breadcrumbs from that 2017/18 Super Bowl winning team on this team Lane Johnson, Jason Kelce, Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham - all elite players who contributed then to that Super Bowl team and are contributing now to this NFC Championship team - HOFers arguably in Johnson and Kelce You do not 'Fluke' your way to a Super Bowl - it is a team game
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 26, 2023 16:07:01 GMT
Who went on to win five more Super Bowls with that team, and one with another. Not a fluke. What Foles did was absolutely a fluke. I don't think you'd be agreeing with Frogs if you read through the thread. Nobody is saying what the Eagles accomplished that season wasn't amazing. But that entire season looks like a fluke if you step back and look at what happened afterward. What happened afterwards is we were within 30 yards of the NFC Championship Game the next year
We then had inner turmoil with upper management, our head coach and our QB
That's what happenedThere are still breadcrumbs from that 2017/18 Super Bowl winning team on this team Lane Johnson, Jason Kelce, Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham - all elite players who contributed then to that Super Bowl team and are contributing now to this NFC Championship team - HOFers arguably in Johnson and Kelce You do not 'Fluke' your way to a Super Bowl - it is a team game And you didn't make it. Every team has similar reasons for not being better any given season. That changes nothing in this debate. It is a team game, and the Eagles earned it 100%. No argument here. But they quickly became an average team. And yes, there are a few players left over from that team, and if you win a few more titles, 2017 won't look like a fluke. But at the moment, it stands out as a bright spot surrounded by mediocrity.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 16:16:58 GMT
What happened afterwards is we were within 30 yards of the NFC Championship Game the next year
We then had inner turmoil with upper management, our head coach and our QB
That's what happenedThere are still breadcrumbs from that 2017/18 Super Bowl winning team on this team Lane Johnson, Jason Kelce, Fletcher Cox, Brandon Graham - all elite players who contributed then to that Super Bowl team and are contributing now to this NFC Championship team - HOFers arguably in Johnson and Kelce You do not 'Fluke' your way to a Super Bowl - it is a team game And you didn't make it. Every team has similar reasons for not being better any given season. That changes nothing in this debate. It is a team game, and the Eagles earned it 100%. No argument here. But they quickly became an average team. And yes, there are a few players left over from that team, and if you win a few more titles, 2017 won't look like a fluke. But at the moment, it stands out as a bright spot surrounded by mediocrity. So we made the playoffs the year after winning the Super Bowl Then the year after that we made the playoffs again.... Then missed the playoffs 1 year Then made the playoffs again last year And now are in the NFC Championship game again with players from the Super Bowl team still contributing at an elite level - Johnson and Kelce Pro Bowlers and 1st Team All-Pros Yeah - we're mediocre. Was a 'Fluke' - especially when you have 2 first team All-Pros and Pro Bowlers still anchoring the O-Line to this day from that Super Bowl team
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Post by Surly on Jan 26, 2023 16:20:31 GMT
And yet you’re still losing the argument! LOL And that backup quarterback argument you keep harping on… Foles was the starter the following season. And you who else was a backup quarterback and only wound up playing in a Super Bowl because the starter got injured? Tom Brady.Who went on to win five more Super Bowls with that team, and one with another. Not a fluke. What Foles did was absolutely a fluke. I don't think you'd be agreeing with Frogs if you read through the thread. Nobody is saying what the Eagles accomplished that season wasn't amazing. But that entire season looks like a fluke if you step back and look at what happened afterward. I guess it depends on how you would define “fluke”. I don’t think Foles Super Bowl performance was a fluke. If you put him in the right offense and put a great offensive line in front of him he can play on an elite level. When you look at when he played really well in his career that’s what he had going for him. That’s why he played so well in Super Bowl LII. But if he has an average or poor offensive line he turns into a horrible, disastrous quarterback! Look at the early part of his career, those teams he was playing on. That’s what he had. And not necessarily the best offensive systems for his style of play. A truly elite quarterback should be able to overcome some of that. But Foles is this odd enigma where he can’t. In fact he completely unravels. Which is why it looked like his career was over at one point. Foles played great the next season having those same ideal circumstances. But when the Eagles O line got worse and he was sometimes forced to use other offensive plays not fitting his style… Well, they let him go to Jacksonville. So that tells you all you need to know. If you put Foles back into those ideals then he could probably be a starter right now (somewhere). So… you could argue that as a career quarterback he’s a fluke. But again I don’t think his Super Bowl performance was a fluke.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 16:30:19 GMT
Who went on to win five more Super Bowls with that team, and one with another. Not a fluke. What Foles did was absolutely a fluke. I don't think you'd be agreeing with Frogs if you read through the thread. Nobody is saying what the Eagles accomplished that season wasn't amazing. But that entire season looks like a fluke if you step back and look at what happened afterward. I guess it depends on how you would define “fluke”. I don’t think Foles Super Bowl performance was a fluke. If you put him in the right offense and put a great offensive line in front of him he can play on an elite level. When you look at when he played really well in his career that’s what he had going for him. That’s why he played so well in Super Bowl LII. But if he has an average or poor offensive line he turns into a horrible, disastrous quarterback! Look at the early part of his career, those teams he was playing on. That’s what he had. And not necessarily the best offensive systems for his style of play. A truly elite quarterback should be able to overcome some of that. But Foles is this odd enigma where he can’t. In fact he completely unravels. Which is why it looked like his career was over at one point. Foles played great the next season having those same ideal circumstances. But when the Eagles O line got worse and he was sometimes forced to use other offensive plays not fitting his style… Well, they let him go to Jacksonville. So that tells you all you need to know. If you put Foles back into those ideals then he could probably be a starter right now (somewhere). So… you could argue that as a career quarterback he’s a fluke. But again I don’t think his Super Bowl performance was a fluke. Doesn't matter Dude Football is an individual sport and it's all about Foles It's a game about stats too - we didn't have a 1,000 yard rusher or a 1,000 yard receiver either Fluke.... Apparently we fell off the face of the Earth too. 2 straight playoff appearances followed by a miss, only to make the playoffs again last year and now the NFC Championship Game We're obviously not as good as all of these Dynasties out there who rattle off consecutive Chips year after year..... Putting up 41 points in the SB vs. The Pats = Fluke
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 26, 2023 16:38:58 GMT
I guess it depends on how you would define “fluke”. I don’t think Foles Super Bowl performance was a fluke. If you put him in the right offense and put a great offensive line in front of him he can play on an elite level. When you look at when he played really well in his career that’s what he had going for him. That’s why he played so well in Super Bowl LII. But if he has an average or poor offensive line he turns into a horrible, disastrous quarterback! Look at the early part of his career, those teams he was playing on. That’s what he had. And not necessarily the best offensive systems for his style of play. A truly elite quarterback should be able to overcome some of that. But Foles is this odd enigma where he can’t. In fact he completely unravels. Which is why it looked like his career was over at one point. Foles played great the next season having those same ideal circumstances. But when the Eagles O line got worse and he was sometimes forced to use other offensive plays not fitting his style… Well, they let him go to Jacksonville. So that tells you all you need to know. If you put Foles back into those ideals then he could probably be a starter right now (somewhere). So… you could argue that as a career quarterback he’s a fluke. But again I don’t think his Super Bowl performance was a fluke. Doesn't matter Dude Football is an individual sport and it's all about Foles It's a game about stats too - we didn't have a 1,000 yard rusher or a 1,000 yard receiver either Fluke.... Apparently we fell off the face of the Earth too. 2 straight playoff appearances followed by a miss, only to make the playoffs again last year and now the NFC Championship Game We're obviously not as good as all of these Dynasties out there who rattle off consecutive Chips year after year..... Putting up 41 points in the SB vs. The Pats = Fluke Glad you're alive and well Frogs. We were pretty you had been murdered. Glad you're OK. Not so glad you're doing this shit again, but glad to have you back nonetheless.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 16:43:35 GMT
Doesn't matter Dude Football is an individual sport and it's all about Foles It's a game about stats too - we didn't have a 1,000 yard rusher or a 1,000 yard receiver either Fluke.... Apparently we fell off the face of the Earth too. 2 straight playoff appearances followed by a miss, only to make the playoffs again last year and now the NFC Championship Game We're obviously not as good as all of these Dynasties out there who rattle off consecutive Chips year after year..... Putting up 41 points in the SB vs. The Pats = Fluke Glad you're alive and well Frogs. We were pretty you had been murdered. Glad you're OK. Not so glad you're doing this shit again, but glad to have you back nonetheless. How am I wrong? A team in sports who wins a title is not a 'Fluke' It's not an individual winning a single game - it is a season of games stretched out throughout a season vs. other elite teams It is not a boxer knocking out another boxer with a lucky punch.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 26, 2023 16:48:15 GMT
Glad you're alive and well Frogs. We were pretty you had been murdered. Glad you're OK. Not so glad you're doing this shit again, but glad to have you back nonetheless. How am I wrong? A team in sports who wins a title is not a 'Fluke' It's not an individual winning a single game - it is a season of games stretched out throughout a season vs. other elite teams It is not a boxer knocking out another boxer with a lucky punch. I don't know, and I don't care what this discussion is about. It's just the nonsense arguing and carrying, the straw-manning, and other such bullshit that litters the board that I find irritating. Either way, glad Jason didn't get you on your jog in the woods like you're Shelley or something.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 16:52:04 GMT
How am I wrong? A team in sports who wins a title is not a 'Fluke' It's not an individual winning a single game - it is a season of games stretched out throughout a season vs. other elite teams It is not a boxer knocking out another boxer with a lucky punch. I don't know, and I don't care what this discussion is about. It's just the nonsense arguing and carrying, the straw-manning, and other such bullshit that litters the board that I find irritating. Either way, glad Jason didn't get you on your jog in the woods like you're Shelley or something. But that's on you This is your typical self Nobody twisted your arm to come in this thread and place yourself in a discussion you do not choose to partake in and state you aren't interested in - which you do regularly with your negativity You could have looked the other way but instead pop up with your negativity stating you do no not care about the discussion Then look the other way - that's on you This individual stated we were a 'Fluke'. There are others in this thread that agree with me they were no Fluke
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 26, 2023 16:54:44 GMT
I don't know, and I don't care what this discussion is about. It's just the nonsense arguing and carrying, the straw-manning, and other such bullshit that litters the board that I find irritating. Either way, glad Jason didn't get you on your jog in the woods like you're Shelley or something. But that's on you This is your typical self Nobody twisted your arm to come in this thread and place yourself in a discussion you do not choose to partake in and state you aren't interested in - which you do regularly with your negativity You could have looked the other way but instead pop up with your negativity stating you do no not care about the discussion Then look the other way - that's on you This individual stated we were a 'Fluke'. There are others in this thread that agree with me they were no Fluke You're right. I didn't need to come in here and say hi. Sorry if thats 'my typical self.' Anyway, glad to see you back. Sorry that it upsets you that I speak to you and that you somehow managed to interpret my positivity as negativity yet again.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 16:56:52 GMT
But that's on you This is your typical self Nobody twisted your arm to come in this thread and place yourself in a discussion you do not choose to partake in and state you aren't interested in - which you do regularly with your negativity You could have looked the other way but instead pop up with your negativity stating you do no not care about the discussion Then look the other way - that's on you This individual stated we were a 'Fluke'. There are others in this thread that agree with me they were no Fluke You're right. I didn't need to come in here and say hi. Sorry if thats 'my typical self.' Anyway, glad to see you back. Sorry that it upsets you that I speak to you and that you somehow managed to interpret my positivity as negativity yet again. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not sticking around long but thank you for the welcome back Hope all is well I'm very passionate about my teams and yes it gets on me at times when I listen to somebody state we're either 'lucky' or a 'fluke'
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 26, 2023 17:06:56 GMT
You're right. I didn't need to come in here and say hi. Sorry if thats 'my typical self.' Anyway, glad to see you back. Sorry that it upsets you that I speak to you and that you somehow managed to interpret my positivity as negativity yet again. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not sticking around long but thank you for the welcome back Hope all is well I'm very passionate about my teams and yes it gets on me at times when I listen to somebody state we're either 'lucky' or a 'fluke' I hear ya. You know how many times I've had to hear that Eli 'got lucky' in the super bowls? Some stupid shit.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 17:11:52 GMT
Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not sticking around long but thank you for the welcome back Hope all is well I'm very passionate about my teams and yes it gets on me at times when I listen to somebody state we're either 'lucky' or a 'fluke' I hear ya. You know how many times I've had to hear that Eli 'got lucky' in the super bowls? Some stupid shit. Thank you. And it is 'Stupid'. You might not have the most talented team on paper full of superstar names; however there's intangibles that go into winning titles Look at the Lakers. Full of star 'names' but are horrid. You do not luck your way an entire season beating other elite teams on your way to a title. You may take a step back the next year; however again there are intangibles at play. You're no 'Fluke'. It is incredibly hard to win a Championship. As seen - it is incredibly hard to repeat. There's another team on the field (an elite team when you get deep in the playoffs)
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 26, 2023 17:42:17 GMT
And you didn't make it. Every team has similar reasons for not being better any given season. That changes nothing in this debate. It is a team game, and the Eagles earned it 100%. No argument here. But they quickly became an average team. And yes, there are a few players left over from that team, and if you win a few more titles, 2017 won't look like a fluke. But at the moment, it stands out as a bright spot surrounded by mediocrity. So we made the playoffs the year after winning the Super Bowl Then the year after that we made the playoffs again.... Then missed the playoffs 1 year Then made the playoffs again last year And now are in the NFC Championship game again with players from the Super Bowl team still contributing at an elite level - Johnson and Kelce Pro Bowlers and 1st Team All-Pros Yeah - we're mediocre. Was a 'Fluke' - especially when you have 2 first team All-Pros and Pro Bowlers still anchoring the O-Line to this day from that Super Bowl team Glad I finally got through to you. Why anyone would equate 'making the playoffs' to winning the title is beyond me, but you've always had low standards as a fan. Owners must love you.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 26, 2023 17:44:42 GMT
Who went on to win five more Super Bowls with that team, and one with another. Not a fluke. What Foles did was absolutely a fluke. I don't think you'd be agreeing with Frogs if you read through the thread. Nobody is saying what the Eagles accomplished that season wasn't amazing. But that entire season looks like a fluke if you step back and look at what happened afterward. I guess it depends on how you would define “fluke”. I don’t think Foles Super Bowl performance was a fluke. If you put him in the right offense and put a great offensive line in front of him he can play on an elite level. When you look at when he played really well in his career that’s what he had going for him. That’s why he played so well in Super Bowl LII. But if he has an average or poor offensive line he turns into a horrible, disastrous quarterback! Look at the early part of his career, those teams he was playing on. That’s what he had. And not necessarily the best offensive systems for his style of play. A truly elite quarterback should be able to overcome some of that. But Foles is this odd enigma where he can’t. In fact he completely unravels. Which is why it looked like his career was over at one point. Foles played great the next season having those same ideal circumstances. But when the Eagles O line got worse and he was sometimes forced to use other offensive plays not fitting his style… Well, they let him go to Jacksonville. So that tells you all you need to know. If you put Foles back into those ideals then he could probably be a starter right now (somewhere). So… you could argue that as a career quarterback he’s a fluke. But again I don’t think his Super Bowl performance was a fluke. The entirety of his career says otherwise, but ok.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 17:46:07 GMT
Fluke = Your team didn't repeat
Got it.
Good God I'm on Mars
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 26, 2023 17:47:09 GMT
I guess it depends on how you would define “fluke”. I don’t think Foles Super Bowl performance was a fluke. If you put him in the right offense and put a great offensive line in front of him he can play on an elite level. When you look at when he played really well in his career that’s what he had going for him. That’s why he played so well in Super Bowl LII. But if he has an average or poor offensive line he turns into a horrible, disastrous quarterback! Look at the early part of his career, those teams he was playing on. That’s what he had. And not necessarily the best offensive systems for his style of play. A truly elite quarterback should be able to overcome some of that. But Foles is this odd enigma where he can’t. In fact he completely unravels. Which is why it looked like his career was over at one point. Foles played great the next season having those same ideal circumstances. But when the Eagles O line got worse and he was sometimes forced to use other offensive plays not fitting his style… Well, they let him go to Jacksonville. So that tells you all you need to know. If you put Foles back into those ideals then he could probably be a starter right now (somewhere). So… you could argue that as a career quarterback he’s a fluke. But again I don’t think his Super Bowl performance was a fluke. The entirety of his career says otherwise, but ok. This is what you don't 'Get'. It was about the Offensive Line. I'm tellin' ya I'm on Mars.
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