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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 11, 2023 4:44:48 GMT
The segment presents much more than a drag performer singing, Eh, Homosexuals and Nonbinary folks are becoming more and more commonplace. Nothing wrong with kids knowing more. The target audience for a program like Blue's Clues are four years old and under, that is too young to comprehend such concepts.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 11, 2023 8:49:22 GMT
Angryjoeshow and Dpubletoasted are the main YouTube channels I follow that have covered Superhero movies/games.
Don't watch a whole lot of YouTube.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 11, 2023 13:42:35 GMT
Eh, Homosexuals and Nonbinary folks are becoming more and more commonplace. Nothing wrong with kids knowing more. The target audience for a program like Blue's Clues are four years old and under, that is too young to comprehend such concepts. If they can learn about moms and dads, they can learn about same-sex couples too. It's not going to destroy their minds.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 11, 2023 14:19:03 GMT
The target audience for a program like Blue's Clues are four years old and under, that is too young to comprehend such concepts. If they can learn about moms and dads, they can learn about same-sex couples too. It's not going to destroy their minds. Holyshit when did you get so based?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 11, 2023 15:09:56 GMT
If they can learn about moms and dads, they can learn about same-sex couples too. It's not going to destroy their minds. Holyshit when did you get so based? I'm a little behind on my lingo, what does "based" mean in this context again?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 11, 2023 15:17:20 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 11, 2023 16:23:23 GMT
That wacky Blue's Clues video goes right over the intended audience's heads, but I could use some videos explaining the 650 gender choices we have these days. I guess I'm 'woke,' as woke goes, I don't fear or hate people different from myself; but I don't get why everything has to be so complicated these days. It seems like people looking for any way to call themselves 'different' so they can be 'special.'
On the surface, I don't want to say what they're doing here is wrong; they're just trying to normalize same sex relationships and whatnot, the same way they tried to improve racial understanding in kids' stuff when I was a youngster (so many, many years ago now). But it does seem more than a little over the top. They just throw 'non-binary' into the song with no explanation, as if that means anything to a four year old. It seems incredibly self-serving, because it's obvious that despite its silliness, it holds no value to the supposed intended audience.
Either way the video is ripe for parody, and not even in a discriminatory way. "This family has two daddies and neither is wearing pants, hurrah, hurrah." Also have to laugh at the irony of choosing beavers to represent transfolk. Maybe I'm getting out of line here, but honestly this entire thread is ridiculous.
Based? (lifted this from the link explaining the term)
There's your problem right there. Too many people are trying way too hard to inject political/social commentary into everything, or raging against it (whether it's there or not) from the other side, that we can't just enjoy a fucking comic book movie for what it is now. I don't follow youtubers for exactly that reason, it's just people presenting things the way they want you to perceive them-- look no farther than that thread about Bautista being ready to move on from Drax. The creator of that video deliberately twisted the context and omitted key statements to make it look like Bautista was clowning Marvel, which he clearly was not if you read the entire interview.
I feel like as a society we're going through a kind of spiritual adolescence. We're going to survive it, but there's going to be a lot of lashing out emotionally on the way. Everyone is trying to figure out their place in an ever more complex world. They strive for identity, some kind of definition of what their life should or could be. We went from not wanting to be labeled to inventing labels on a daily basis, because again, the more labels you apply to myself, the smaller your peer group becomes, the more important you suddenly feel in this big bad world. Now I'm just babbling.
Eventually gender won't matter other than the literal, medical biological sense of the term. As for how I'm supposed to refer to you; you can be a he, she, they, whatever the hell you want, just don't expect everyone to care as much as you do about whatever point you're trying to prove.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 11, 2023 19:57:19 GMT
The target audience for a program like Blue's Clues are four years old and under, that is too young to comprehend such concepts. If they can learn about moms and dads, they can learn about same-sex couples too. It's not going to destroy their minds. The average child under the age of four doesn't know how to read, how to spell, how to do math, doesn't understand romance, and doesn't know how they came into existence, they are very unlikely to completely comprehend the concepts presented in the shared video and would walk away confused and probably bored because they're minds are too young to understand. It would be one thing if the video was just showing two same-sex parents with their child and leave it at that, but the segment dives a lot deeper than that.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 11, 2023 20:05:27 GMT
To be 'woke' means to take progressivism to an extreme level. The distinction between being progressive and woke has become noticeable in study that some believe they are two different things despite similar goals. I'd believe that was an accurate description of "woke" were it not for the fact that most of the folks who get that hurled at themselves as an insult aren't doing anything a reasonable person would regard as "extreme". Unless, of course, you think it is extreme to have women, people of color, or non-straight people as main characters in your art, which is really all it takes to be accused of "woke-ism" today. What would and what wouldn't you consider to be an example of progressivism being taken to extreme lengths? No, having women, people of color, and non-straight people as main characters in art does not make the media woke - No one is calling the Cate Blanchett film Tár woke, they didn't call the Jamie Foxx led film Day Shift woke, either, and when it comes to action-adventure cinema, Aliens and Terminator 2 are still held in very high regard and are not considered to be woke.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 11, 2023 20:47:55 GMT
If they can learn about moms and dads, they can learn about same-sex couples too. It's not going to destroy their minds. The average child under the age of four doesn't know how to read, how to spell, how to do math, doesn't understand romance, and doesn't know how they came into existence, they are very unlikely to completely comprehend the concepts presented in the shared video and would walk away confused and probably bored because they're minds are too young to understand. It would be one thing if the video was just showing two same-sex parents with their child and leave it at that, but the segment dives a lot deeper than that. If they don't understand just yet, then there's no harm done. If they DO understand it already, then it's fine. So either way, no harm done.
Learning about these things never has hurt anyone.
And I'm quite sure that if Ripley and Sarah Connor debuted today, they'd be called Woke. It's how deranged the usage has become over some imaginary "Culture War" that doesn't actually exist.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 11, 2023 20:51:00 GMT
The average child under the age of four doesn't know how to read, how to spell, how to do math, doesn't understand romance, and doesn't know how they came into existence, they are very unlikely to completely comprehend the concepts presented in the shared video and would walk away confused and probably bored because they're minds are too young to understand. It would be one thing if the video was just showing two same-sex parents with their child and leave it at that, but the segment dives a lot deeper than that. If they don't understand just yet, then there's no harm done. If they DO understand it already, then it's fine. So either way, no harm done.
Learning about these things never has hurt anyone. I disagree, if the producers behind the program created such content with the intention to appeal to children of a certain age and they don't come out understanding anything and are confused by it all, then that is a problem because it suggests the producers do not recognize their demographic and are incompetent at providing educational entertainment.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 11, 2023 21:47:36 GMT
If they don't understand just yet, then there's no harm done. If they DO understand it already, then it's fine. So either way, no harm done.
Learning about these things never has hurt anyone. I disagree, if the producers behind the program created such content with the intention to appeal to children of a certain age and they don't come out understanding anything and are confused by it all, then that is a problem because it suggests the producers do not recognize their demographic and are incompetent at providing educational entertainment. And the kids who do understand it come out better, as there will be those who do. Which is better than leaving them in the dark and doing nothing. It's trial and error, but it's better than "don't bother".
Simply seeing it and getting confused isn't going to hurt them.
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Post by faustus5 on Jan 11, 2023 23:21:58 GMT
What would and what wouldn't you consider to be an example of progressivism being taken to extreme lengths? You're the one trying to make a case that accusations of "woke-ism" are legitimate and not a sign of a problem with the people throwing the word around. You can provide the examples of progressiveism being taken to extreme lengths and articulate exactly what is wrong the the choices such content creators have made.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 12, 2023 3:47:04 GMT
Sean Chandler and Dan Murrell for me, as I feel like they give the most balanced reviews.
If I want someone more right-leaning then I'll watch Film Threat and Critical Drinker. If I want someone more left-leaning then I'll go with AngryJoe and Grace Randolph.
I tried Nerdrotic, RK outpost and Yellowflash for some time but it was just a bit too negative and cynical for me. I try not to go too far right or left as there's quite a lot of toxicity on both sides the further from the middle you go.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 12, 2023 3:50:02 GMT
To be 'woke' means to take progressivism to an extreme level. The distinction between being progressive and woke has become noticeable in study that some believe they are two different things despite similar goals. I'd believe that was an accurate description of "woke" were it not for the fact that most of the folks who get that hurled at themselves as an insult aren't doing anything a reasonable person would regard as "extreme". Unless, of course, you think it is extreme to have women, people of color, or non-straight people as main characters in your art, which is really all it takes to be accused of "woke-ism" today. That's human tribalism for you. Most people who get called woke aren't actually woke in the same way most people who get called bigots aren't bigots either.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 12, 2023 6:38:54 GMT
That wacky Blue's Clues video goes right over the intended audience's heads, but I could use some videos explaining the 650 gender choices we have these days. I guess I'm 'woke,' as woke goes, I don't fear or hate people different from myself; but I don't get why everything has to be so complicated these days. It seems like people looking for any way to call themselves 'different' so they can be 'special.' On the surface, I don't want to say what they're doing here is wrong; they're just trying to normalize same sex relationships and whatnot, the same way they tried to improve racial understanding in kids' stuff when I was a youngster (so many, many years ago now). But it does seem more than a little over the top. They just throw 'non-binary' into the song with no explanation, as if that means anything to a four year old. It seems incredibly self-serving, because it's obvious that despite its silliness, it holds no value to the supposed intended audience. Either way the video is ripe for parody, and not even in a discriminatory way. "This family has two daddies and neither is wearing pants, hurrah, hurrah." Also have to laugh at the irony of choosing beavers to represent transfolk. Maybe I'm getting out of line here, but honestly this entire thread is ridiculous. Based? (lifted this from the link explaining the term) There's your problem right there. Too many people are trying way too hard to inject political/social commentary into everything, or raging against it (whether it's there or not) from the other side, that we can't just enjoy a fucking comic book movie for what it is now. I don't follow youtubers for exactly that reason, it's just people presenting things the way they want you to perceive them-- look no farther than that thread about Bautista being ready to move on from Drax. The creator of that video deliberately twisted the context and omitted key statements to make it look like Bautista was clowning Marvel, which he clearly was not if you read the entire interview. I feel like as a society we're going through a kind of spiritual adolescence. We're going to survive it, but there's going to be a lot of lashing out emotionally on the way. Everyone is trying to figure out their place in an ever more complex world. They strive for identity, some kind of definition of what their life should or could be. We went from not wanting to be labeled to inventing labels on a daily basis, because again, the more labels you apply to myself, the smaller your peer group becomes, the more important you suddenly feel in this big bad world. Now I'm just babbling. Eventually gender won't matter other than the literal, medical biological sense of the term. As for how I'm supposed to refer to you; you can be a he, she, they, whatever the hell you want, just don't expect everyone to care as much as you do about whatever point you're trying to prove. ^I’m not aware of any definition of woke as being the opposite of bigotry. Gay and trans people can be anti- woke, for example. Racially diverse people too.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 12, 2023 6:52:55 GMT
I disagree, if the producers behind the program created such content with the intention to appeal to children of a certain age and they don't come out understanding anything and are confused by it all, then that is a problem because it suggests the producers do not recognize their demographic and are incompetent at providing educational entertainment. And the kids who do understand it come out better, as there will be those who do. Which is better than leaving them in the dark and doing nothing. It's trial and error, but it's better than "don't bother".
Simply seeing it and getting confused isn't going to hurt them.
If only five out of 50 viewers under the age of four actually are able to understand the message the content is trying to present and their parents feel the media is appropriate to view, then I am afraid that the producers of the program did not do a particularly good job and come across as quite incompetent in presenting media for their demographic. Children will eventually have to learn such things, but its preferable that they do when they're older, like in middle school. Under the age of four, their idea of the world is too simplistic, and they require general education like reading and writing first long before learning an adult's romantic preferences or gender of choice. Are you a parent? If so, may I ask what particular issues do you feel isn't right for a child of certain age to learn about?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 12, 2023 6:57:56 GMT
The average child under the age of four doesn't know how to read, how to spell, how to do math, doesn't understand romance, and doesn't know how they came into existence, they are very unlikely to completely comprehend the concepts presented in the shared video and would walk away confused and probably bored because they're minds are too young to understand. It would be one thing if the video was just showing two same-sex parents with their child and leave it at that, but the segment dives a lot deeper than that. If they don't understand just yet, then there's no harm done. If they DO understand it already, then it's fine. So either way, no harm done.
Learning about these things never has hurt anyone.
And I'm quite sure that if Ripley and Sarah Connor debuted today, they'd be called Woke. It's how deranged the usage has become over some imaginary "Culture War" that doesn't actually exist.
And regarding this, no. Neither Ripley or Connor, if they debuted today in the same way as they were when created, wouldn't be classified as woke and neither would their respective films, because they actually have well-defined personalities, traits, and are shown to be complex characters that aren't really asking to be idolized by anyone (Sarah Connor for example wasn't a very good mother, put her son in danger, and would have killed a man if not her son and the T-800's interference).
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 12, 2023 6:58:33 GMT
What would and what wouldn't you consider to be an example of progressivism being taken to extreme lengths? You're the one trying to make a case that accusations of "woke-ism" are legitimate and not a sign of a problem with the people throwing the word around. You can provide the examples of progressiveism being taken to extreme lengths and articulate exactly what is wrong the the choices such content creators have made. So, no examples.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jan 12, 2023 7:07:41 GMT
I didn’t want to get into a discussion of the meaning of wokeness but for me it is synonymous with duplicity. It isn’t simply defined as altruism or even expressions of far-left values. It’s more concerned with the virtue signalling which is insincere, where the motive is not the cause they claim to be championing. The unattractive guy who pontificates on women’s rights thinking it will endear himself to them. That’s an example. And typical of such woke people is hypocrisy. The ones who support BLM will be the first to call the cops because there are a group of blacks in the park.
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