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Post by gadreel on Jan 11, 2023 21:02:29 GMT
democracy is over and it's about time, in any case there are very vert few countries with functioning democracies. If the WEF wants to rule in any way, they understand that the population must be happy. Democracy is working just fine, it’s the general population that no longer has patience or willingness to make it work which means sharing the awesome burden in being free. I was being a little hyperbolic, I disagree though, the US is a prime example, anything but democracy is what they have. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 12, 2023 3:05:59 GMT
Democracy is working just fine, it’s the general population that no longer has patience or willingness to make it work which means sharing the awesome burden in being free. I was being a little hyperbolic, I disagree though, the US is a prime example, anything but democracy is what they have. Having free elections is no guarantee the people elected are honest, nor the people voting for them. Don’t blame democracy. I know the the allure of totalitarianism is comforting, but it’s not going to work out as well as you’d think. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 4:00:20 GMT
I was being a little hyperbolic, I disagree though, the US is a prime example, anything but democracy is what they have. Having free elections is no guarantee the people elected are honest, nor the people voting for them. Don’t blame democracy. I know the the allure of totalitarianism is comforting, but it’s not going to work out as well as you’d think. If anything, democracy makes it worse, because people think they're getting self-rule, and they're not. |
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Post by Winter_King on Jan 12, 2023 11:43:32 GMT
Well I'm still waiting for system better than democracy despite all it's flaws and I'm pretty sure being ruled over by WEF oligarchs is not that system. I can't count of people that are so out of touch with everyday life to know what makes the population happy. You should be still waiting for democracy to be implemented is actually my point (although I admit it was poorly worded)
I still take flawed democracy over being ruled over by WEF types. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 12, 2023 13:41:20 GMT
Having free elections is no guarantee the people elected are honest, nor the people voting for them. Don’t blame democracy. I know the the allure of totalitarianism is comforting, but it’s not going to work out as well as you’d think. If anything, democracy makes it worse, because people think they're getting self-rule, and they're not. I’d agree except becoming a slave to one man or one committee’s rule is not the solution. It might work for out swell you for you and few others for a little while. But none of these regimes, which are the norm in human history, work out well. That one Good Man or god-fearing committee…even churches have central committees…might work in your favor because he comes from your approved group and sees things much as you. But this is no guarantee he will not change his mind tomorrow or one of his lieutenants assassinate him and hand the keys over to this mysterious, never really identified Global Cabal, who’s been lurking behind the scenes in these pre-approved groups all along. I think you’d be happy living in a medieval monastery, Herald, far from the madding crowd. Cell life might be the answer. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jan 12, 2023 13:44:05 GMT
If anything, democracy makes it worse, because people think they're getting self-rule, and they're not. I’d agree except becoming a slave to one man or one committee’s rule is not the solution. It might work for out swell you for you and few others for a little while. But none of these regimes, which are the norm in human history, work out well. That one Good Man or god-fearing committee…even churches have central committees…might work in your favor because he comes from your approved group and sees things much as you. But this is no guarantee he will not change his mind tomorrow or one of his lieutenants assassinate him and had the keys over to this Global Cabal whose been lurking behind these approved groups all along. I think you’d be happy living in a medieval monastery, Herald, far from the madding crowd. Cell life might be the answer. A few years ago, I would have laughed at that suggestion, but now that cell in the medieval monastery is looking better and better, as the world around me looks worse and worse. |
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Post by gadreel on Jan 13, 2023 21:56:07 GMT
I was being a little hyperbolic, I disagree though, the US is a prime example, anything but democracy is what they have. Having free elections is no guarantee the people elected are honest, nor the people voting for them. Don’t blame democracy. I know the the allure of totalitarianism is comforting, but it’s not going to work out as well as you’d think. I dont even agree the states has free elections, I mean how many presidents get in when the majority of the population actually voted against them. Perhaps totalitarianism might not be great, honestly I am nt sure what is best, I am convinced though that there is very little in the way of actual democracy in the world. Proper democracy would be great, however . . . . |
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Post by gadreel on Jan 13, 2023 21:57:07 GMT
You should be still waiting for democracy to be implemented is actually my point (although I admit it was poorly worded)
I still take flawed democracy over being ruled over by WEF types. well, the democracy you have is actually being ruled over by WEF types, sorry. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Jan 13, 2023 22:03:00 GMT
Having free elections is no guarantee the people elected are honest, nor the people voting for them. Don’t blame democracy. I know the the allure of totalitarianism is comforting, but it’s not going to work out as well as you’d think. I dont even agree the states has free elections, I mean how many presidents get in when the majority of the population actually voted against them. Perhaps totalitarianism might not be great, honestly I am nt sure what is best, I am convinced though that there is very little in the way of actual democracy in the world. Proper democracy would be great, however . . . . What is the positive alternative? That’s my frustration is the prevailing attitude is either democracy better satisfy me 100% right now, or I’m voting for a dictator who will make all wise decisions for all us like a big loving, daddy. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 7, 2023 16:28:34 GMT
I dont even agree the states has free elections, I mean how many presidents get in when the majority of the population actually voted against them. Perhaps totalitarianism might not be great, honestly I am nt sure what is best, I am convinced though that there is very little in the way of actual democracy in the world. Proper democracy would be great, however . . . . What is the positive alternative? That’s my frustration is the prevailing attitude is either democracy better satisfy me 100% right now, or I’m voting for a dictator who will make all wise decisions for all us like a big loving, daddy. Sorry, school and then a flood. Yeah I guess the allure of a guided person to take the responsibility off us might be a factor. Just to be clear, I would support real democracy, I do not agree that the US has it, particularly with the lobbying. I am not sure what the alternative is though. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 7, 2023 19:07:43 GMT
What is the positive alternative? That’s my frustration is the prevailing attitude is either democracy better satisfy me 100% right now, or I’m voting for a dictator who will make all wise decisions for all us like a big loving, daddy. Sorry, school and then a flood. Yeah I guess the allure of a guided person to take the responsibility off us might be a factor. Just to be clear, I would support real democracy, I do not agree that the US has it, particularly with the lobbying. I am not sure what the alternative is though. A real democracy? That’s like wanting to sit in Plato’s ideal chair. We’ll never achieve that. |
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Post by gadreel on Feb 9, 2023 0:01:54 GMT
Sorry, school and then a flood. Yeah I guess the allure of a guided person to take the responsibility off us might be a factor. Just to be clear, I would support real democracy, I do not agree that the US has it, particularly with the lobbying. I am not sure what the alternative is though. A real democracy? That’s like wanting to sit in Plato’s ideal chair. We’ll never achieve that. you are probably right, so again I feel like a corrupt democracy is even worse than something other than democracy. Maybe I guess at the end of the day its about the leaders and greed. |
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Post by Sarge on Feb 9, 2023 23:08:31 GMT
Having free elections is no guarantee the people elected are honest, nor the people voting for them. Don’t blame democracy. I know the the allure of totalitarianism is comforting, but it’s not going to work out as well as you’d think. I dont even agree the states has free elections, I mean how many presidents get in when the majority of the population actually voted against them. Perhaps totalitarianism might not be great, honestly I am nt sure what is best, I am convinced though that there is very little in the way of actual democracy in the world. Proper democracy would be great, however . . . . The people do not elect American presidents, technically the president is elected by the states. The people elect their representatives, who make laws. The states elect the president, who enforces the law. The president assigns the Supreme Court that interprets the law. It's an elegant system with built in checks and balances that all have a purpose. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 9, 2023 23:53:36 GMT
I dont even agree the states has free elections, I mean how many presidents get in when the majority of the population actually voted against them. Perhaps totalitarianism might not be great, honestly I am nt sure what is best, I am convinced though that there is very little in the way of actual democracy in the world. Proper democracy would be great, however . . . . The people do not elect American presidents, technically the president is elected by the states. The people elect their representatives, who make laws. The states elect the president, who enforces the law. The president assigns the Supreme Court that interprets the law. It's an elegant system with built in checks and balances that all have a purpose. True. It’s antiquated method that made more sense before mass communication in our far flung nation. |
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Post by Sarge on Feb 10, 2023 7:56:00 GMT
The people do not elect American presidents, technically the president is elected by the states. The people elect their representatives, who make laws. The states elect the president, who enforces the law. The president assigns the Supreme Court that interprets the law. It's an elegant system with built in checks and balances that all have a purpose. True. It’s antiquated method that made more sense before mass communication in our far flung nation. So how would instant communication provide a modern check and balance system that would satisfy the states? And how would it be an improvement over the current method which has worked as designed? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 10, 2023 14:32:47 GMT
True. It’s antiquated method that made more sense before mass communication in our far flung nation. And how would it be an improvement over the current method which has worked as designed? It doesn’t. The EC needs to be abolished and that’s not gong to happen anytime soon since it will take a constitutional amendment. It’s to the GOP’s advantage to keep it as is. |
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Post by Sarge on Feb 10, 2023 22:59:31 GMT
So how would instant communication provide a modern check and balance system that would satisfy the states? And how would it be an improvement over the current method which has worked as designed? It doesn’t. The EC needs to be abolished and that’s not gong to happen anytime soon since it will take a constitutional amendment. It’s to the GOP’s advantage to keep it as is. Of course, it doesn't, so why did you mention "mass communication" by which I assume you meant instant communication? Why do you think the EC needs to be abolished and why would the states sign off on that? Do you have a reason other than it benefits the GOP? And isn't that because the Democrats have been putting their cards in dense population centers, especially minorities, that are less likely to vote than rural and suburban whites? How does ignoring 2/3 the population, and many states altogether, make the Electoral College obsolete? |
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 10, 2023 23:46:27 GMT
It doesn’t. The EC needs to be abolished and that’s not gong to happen anytime soon since it will take a constitutional amendment. It’s to the GOP’s advantage to keep it as is. Of course, it doesn't, so why did you mention "mass communication" by which I assume you meant instant communication? Why do you think the EC needs to be abolished and why would the states sign off on that? Do you have a reason other than it benefits the GOP? And isn't that because the Democrats have been putting their cards in dense population centers, especially minorities, that are less likely to vote than rural and suburban whites? How does ignoring 2/3 the population, and many states altogether, make the Electoral College obsolete? In 1810, that is before the invention of the telegraph, it could months for votes to even arrive. You know the country’s communication system at the time was equal to the Roman Empire. Why do you think the EC needs to be abolished and why would the states sign off on that? Because, it’s obsolete as per above, Jesus Christ, why do you people never accept the first answer if displeases you. What’s the point in having what amounts to a double election? And we also saw how the GOP had illegally lined up fake electors in some Red states. |
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Post by Sarge on Feb 11, 2023 1:47:56 GMT
Of course, it doesn't, so why did you mention "mass communication" by which I assume you meant instant communication? Why do you think the EC needs to be abolished and why would the states sign off on that? Do you have a reason other than it benefits the GOP? And isn't that because the Democrats have been putting their cards in dense population centers, especially minorities, that are less likely to vote than rural and suburban whites? How does ignoring 2/3 the population, and many states altogether, make the Electoral College obsolete? In 1810, that is before the invention of the telegraph, it could months for votes to even arrive. You know the country’s communication system at the time was equal to the Roman Empire. Why do you think the EC needs to be abolished and why would the states sign off on that? Because, it’s obsolete as per above, Jesus Christ, why do you people never accept the first answer if displeases you. What’s the point in having what amounts to a double election? And we also saw how the GOP had illegally lined up fake electors in some Red states. Sober up and try again tomorrow, you're embarrassing yourself. |
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 11, 2023 4:39:54 GMT
Of course, it doesn't, so why did you mention "mass communication" by which I assume you meant instant communication? In 1810, that is before the invention of the telegraph, it could months for votes to even arrive. You know the country’s communication system at the time was equal to the Roman Empire. Why do you think the EC needs to be abolished and why would the states sign off on that? Because, it’s obsolete as per above, Jesus Christ, why do you people never accept the first answer if displeases you. What’s the point in having what amounts to a double election? And we also saw how the GOP had illegally lined up fake electors in some Red states. Sober up and try again tomorrow, you're embarrassing yourself. Will you stop with this juvenile behavior, please. I've been civil, why can't you be? |
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