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Post by misstique on Jun 2, 2017 8:59:33 GMT
In "The Avengers", we see how Bruce is always in fear of his alter ego, always trying to make sure that it doesn't come out. He even tells Tony that "But you can control it" when the latter compares the Hulk to his own powers.
I don't get why Bruce says that he cannot control the Hulk when in the movies it shows that he clearly can. In the 70s "The Incredible Hulk" TV show, David had no memory or control over what the Hulk did. So him fearing "the monster" is logical. But we see that at the end of "The Incredible Hulk", Bruce smiles when his eyes turn green, hinting that he has found a way to control it. In the final fight in "The Avengers", we see the Hulk knowing what he was doing, killing only the bad guys and even saving Tony. In "Age of Ultron", he is even more in control. He doesn't kill Black Widow when she pushes him off the cliff. Even though he changes to his Hulk form, he understands what she tells him, does what is required of him and even has the understanding to switch off the communication in the Quinjet and fly away because the Hulk (not Bruce) feels that he is endangering his friends.
Clearly Banner is in control even when he is the Hulk. Sure he did wreak havoc when he was under the mind control of Loki and Wanda, but that is not a good enough reason to say that he "can't control it". Even Hawkeye did bad things when under Loki's influence. He actually killed people. That kind of mind control can make anyone form the Avengers go berserk and not just the Hulk.
Any thoughts? You agree or disagree with me?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 2, 2017 9:58:24 GMT
In "The Avengers", we see how Bruce is always in fear of his alter ego, always trying to make sure that it doesn't come out. He even tells Tony that "But you can control it" when the latter compares the Hulk to his own powers. I don't get why Bruce says that he cannot control the Hulk when in the movies it shows that he clearly can. In the 70s "The Incredible Hulk" TV show, David had no memory or control over what the Hulk did. So him fearing "the monster" is logical. But we see that at the end of "The Incredible Hulk", Bruce smiles when his eyes turn green, hinting that he has found a way to control it. In the final fight in "The Avengers", we see the Hulk knowing what he was doing, killing only the bad guys and even saving Tony. In "Age of Ultron", he is even more in control. He doesn't kill Black Widow when she pushes him off the cliff. Even though he changes to his Hulk form, he understands what she tells him, does what is required of him and even has the understanding to switch off the communication in the Quinjet and fly away because the Hulk (not Bruce) feels that he is endangering his friends. Clearly Banner is in control even when he is the Hulk. Sure he did wreak havoc when he was under the mind control of Loki and Wanda, but that is not a good enough reason to say that he "can't control it". Even Hawkeye did bad things when under Loki's influence. He actually killed people. That kind of mind control can make anyone form the Avengers go berserk and not just the Hulk. Any thoughts? You agree or disagree with me? Just more bad writing in MCU movies. Basically, Hulk can control himself when the plot needs him to but can't control himself when the plot doesn't need him to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 12:54:24 GMT
In "The Avengers", we see how Bruce is always in fear of his alter ego, always trying to make sure that it doesn't come out. He even tells Tony that "But you can control it" when the latter compares the Hulk to his own powers. I don't get why Bruce says that he cannot control the Hulk when in the movies it shows that he clearly can. In the 70s "The Incredible Hulk" TV show, David had no memory or control over what the Hulk did. So him fearing "the monster" is logical. But we see that at the end of "The Incredible Hulk", Bruce smiles when his eyes turn green, hinting that he has found a way to control it. In the final fight in "The Avengers", we see the Hulk knowing what he was doing, killing only the bad guys and even saving Tony. In "Age of Ultron", he is even more in control. He doesn't kill Black Widow when she pushes him off the cliff. Even though he changes to his Hulk form, he understands what she tells him, does what is required of him and even has the understanding to switch off the communication in the Quinjet and fly away because the Hulk (not Bruce) feels that he is endangering his friends. Clearly Banner is in control even when he is the Hulk. Sure he did wreak havoc when he was under the mind control of Loki and Wanda, but that is not a good enough reason to say that he "can't control it". Even Hawkeye did bad things when under Loki's influence. He actually killed people. That kind of mind control can make anyone form the Avengers go berserk and not just the Hulk. Any thoughts? You agree or disagree with me? The Hulk is part of Banner and Vice-versa, when he is the Hulk he can control him to an extent, like trying to steer an eighteen wheller with one hand. He can nudge him in the right direction. this works best when the focus of his aggression is not himself and he has a purpose to smashing stuff, like in avengers, age of ultron at the beggining and the fight with the abomination. When there is purpose Hulk can be "controlled", but it's a huge risk, as he can take offense at something, thinking the attack is towards him and smash everything in sight with no way to stop him. Also the Hulk himself is not tottaly irrational and has a basic understanding of how stuff works, he feels things, he has the power to sense frendship and sometimes he, himself is frendly towards others. And also he would never kill someone intentionally. I think the way the MCU portray this higly complex mind is appropriate for the larger masses, they don't have the advantage of thaught bubbles to explain what's going on, so when people see what you are describing they go, oh ok, he can control him. but is far more complex than that, as is everything that comes from comics to movies. Remember he shifts intelligence in the comics a lot, bruce gains and loses control, sometimes he has full control and the hulk is the "passenger". usually it looses it becaus he can't never achieve the levels of raw power an angry out of control hulk can achieve. I'm really looking forward to Thor:Ragnarok to see how they are going to portray him. In the comics, planet hulk, Hulk was intelligent and it was the hulk persona that got inteligent, not banner taking control. There always were degrees of the Hulk: Full enraged hulk, hulk nudged by banner, full inteligent hulk, vicious hulk (las vegas), fully contolled by banner hulk, etc |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 2, 2017 15:17:23 GMT
In "The Avengers", we see how Bruce is always in fear of his alter ego, always trying to make sure that it doesn't come out. He even tells Tony that "But you can control it" when the latter compares the Hulk to his own powers. I don't get why Bruce says that he cannot control the Hulk when in the movies it shows that he clearly can. In the 70s "The Incredible Hulk" TV show, David had no memory or control over what the Hulk did. So him fearing "the monster" is logical. But we see that at the end of "The Incredible Hulk", Bruce smiles when his eyes turn green, hinting that he has found a way to control it. In the final fight in "The Avengers", we see the Hulk knowing what he was doing, killing only the bad guys and even saving Tony. In "Age of Ultron", he is even more in control. He doesn't kill Black Widow when she pushes him off the cliff. Even though he changes to his Hulk form, he understands what she tells him, does what is required of him and even has the understanding to switch off the communication in the Quinjet and fly away because the Hulk (not Bruce) feels that he is endangering his friends. Clearly Banner is in control even when he is the Hulk. Sure he did wreak havoc when he was under the mind control of Loki and Wanda, but that is not a good enough reason to say that he "can't control it". Even Hawkeye did bad things when under Loki's influence. He actually killed people. That kind of mind control can make anyone form the Avengers go berserk and not just the Hulk. Any thoughts? You agree or disagree with me? No it's not control, it's more like taming.
The Hulk is a different personality altogether but they are aware of each other, and they get to know one another more and more so it would be like you being influenced by thinking about what somebody else would want you to do in a certain situation.
Hulk is also much more like a wild animal, say a tiger. Now you can tame a tiger, and even get it to obey commands, but it begins with a lot of wild instincts, and never loses that wild quality. That is the Hulk. It has befriended the Avengers, and knows Bruce trusts them and that they are good, so he will listen to people like Captain America.
But he's still not Bruce, and Bruce isn't guiding him directly. He's just been tamed a bit by knowing what Bruce wants.
It is also Bruce, the more intelligent of the two who can willingly summon the Hulk, but Hulk, the less intelligent and less self controlled, cannot willingly summon Bruce. He can only be sort of tricked into it, or eventually submit to it if left alone.
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