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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 2, 2023 21:44:32 GMT
Eternity does not scare me, it’s scares you. So you are admitting that there is eternity. That's progress. So far as the universe goes. It’s been here 13 billion years with no end in sight.
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Post by heeeeey on Feb 2, 2023 21:55:13 GMT
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 0:18:44 GMT
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 0:30:57 GMT
I thought you were referring to Stephen Hawking, a physicist. And I said that because that's how you act, as if eternity is something that scares you all. Eternity in heaven or eternity in hell? One would have to define eternity, and hell is just scaremongering, as heaven is just the counter opposite and the extreme polar. What if heaven and hell are both the same thing? Angels to some, demons to others. All it comes down to, is letting go. Heaven and Hell are specific locales in the theologies Christianity and Islam. Judaism has a Heaven, but not a Hell per se. Eternity is essentially the same as infinity in that it has always and will always exist, but in its theological sense it means the unchanging metaphysical substance of time God creates space within. Keep in mind the ancient people could not conceive of our universe, they saw their universe like these. There is what they stand on; what is above them; and what is below them. The West didn’t let loose of the Biblical Cosmological paradigm until well after Galileo.
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Post by clusium on Feb 3, 2023 0:38:01 GMT
Eternity in heaven or eternity in hell? One would have to define eternity, and hell is just scaremongering, as heaven is just the counter opposite and the extreme polar. What if heaven and hell are both the same thing? Angels to some, demons to others. All it comes down to, is letting go. Heaven and Hell are specific locales in the theologies Christianity and Islam. Judaism has a Heaven, but not a Hell per se.
Eternity is essentially the same as infinity in that it has always and will always exist, but in its theological sense it means the unchanging metaphysical substance of time God creates space within. Keep in mind the ancient people could not conceive of our universe, they saw their universe like these. There is what they stand on; what is above them; and what is below them. The West didn’t let loose of the Biblical Cosmological paradigm until well after Galileo. Yes they do. They believe in Gehinom.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 3, 2023 0:53:24 GMT
Heaven and Hell are specific locales in the theologies Christianity and Islam. Judaism has a Heaven, but not a Hell per se.
Eternity is essentially the same as infinity in that it has always and will always exist, but in its theological sense it means the unchanging metaphysical substance of time God creates space within. Keep in mind the ancient people could not conceive of our universe, they saw their universe like these. There is what they stand on; what is above them; and what is below them. The West didn’t let loose of the Biblical Cosmological paradigm until well after Galileo. Yes they do. They believe in Gehinom. Gehinnom (or Gehenna) is not the same thing as the Christian notion of Hell. The concepts of Gehenna and Sheol are too complex to go into even a condensed version here, but these two links give a pretty full description: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_Hinnom_(Gehenna)#:~:text=Eventually%20the%20Hebrew%20term%20Gehinnom,the%20wicked%20dead%20in%20Judaism. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheol
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:01:04 GMT
Heaven and Hell are specific locales in the theologies Christianity and Islam. Judaism has a Heaven, but not a Hell per se.
Eternity is essentially the same as infinity in that it has always and will always exist, but in its theological sense it means the unchanging metaphysical substance of time God creates space within. Keep in mind the ancient people could not conceive of our universe, they saw their universe like these. There is what they stand on; what is above them; and what is below them. The West didn’t let loose of the Biblical Cosmological paradigm until well after Galileo. Yes they do. They believe in Gehinom. I said per se.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:03:27 GMT
Heaven and Hell are specific locales in the theologies Christianity and Islam. Judaism has a Heaven, but not a Hell per se. Eternity is essentially the same as infinity in that it has always and will always exist, but in its theological sense it means the unchanging metaphysical substance of time God creates space within. Keep in mind the ancient people could not conceive of our universe, they saw their universe like these. There is what they stand on; what is above them; and what is below them. The West didn’t let loose of the Biblical Cosmological paradigm until well after Galileo. All one really need be aware of, is that it is all infinity and the fabric of the universe is interwoven into what can only be on and whole and complete. There is no separateness and there is no fragmentation, only what the mind creates, which is just ego delusion. That’s not what science does.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 3, 2023 1:04:16 GMT
Holy crap, this is some of the gobbledygookiest gobbledygook I've yet heard. And not to get onto the personal note, but what the hell is going on with her decidedly weird cosmetic surgery? Was she mayhap too long under the anesthesia?
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:14:30 GMT
Holy crap, this is some of the gobbledygookiest gobbledygook I've yet heard. And not to get onto the personal note, but what the hell is going on with her decidedly weird cosmetic surgery? Was she mayhap too long under the anesthesia? Quantum woo-woo.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:26:59 GMT
That’s not what science does. Whose science are you referring to? Science doesn’t belong to anyone.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:33:42 GMT
So far as the universe goes. It’s been here 13 billion years with no end in sight. How can you possibly measure this time? It’s an approximation based upon measuring cosmic background radiation as it grows colder and colder. Did you know if you turn an old cathode ray TV to an empty channel, 1% of the static you see is leftover radiation from the Big Bang? So the remnants Big Bang are still “floating” around us.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:39:26 GMT
Science doesn’t belong to anyone. So what is your definition of science? Science of what and from whom? It’s a method to rationally study and experiment upon nature. It can be mundane like you testing which brand paper towels you think works the best to reaching the Higgs Boson, the “God” particle. One day Higgs Boson walks into a church and the priest says, ‘I am sorry, we can’t allow Higgs Boson to come to church.’ And, Higgs says, ‘But without me, you can’t have mass’.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:48:30 GMT
It’s an approximation based upon measuring cosmic background radiation as it grows colder and colder. Did you know if you turn an old cathode ray TV to an empty channel, 1% of the static you see is leftover radiation from the Big Bang? So the remnants Big Bang are still “floating” around us. The Big Bang is theoretical. Everything is energy and vibration.
Even the measuring is speculation, because there is NO end in sight, there was NO beginning in sight either. There is NO start or end point for time. All time happens simultaneously.
Okay, if you know more than Big Bang scientists do, then who can argue with that.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:51:00 GMT
It’s a method to rationally study and experiment upon nature. It can be mundane like you testing which brand paper towels you think works the best to reaching the Higgs Boson, the “God” particle. One day Higgs Boson walks into a church and the priest says, ‘I am sorry, we can’t allow Higgs Boson to come to church.’ And, Higgs says, ‘But without me, you can’t have mass’. I am not disputing how everything all works in with each other and everything. I have already expressed this. The study of nature, it resources and how they can be harnessed and utilized is an amazing thing, but still limited as far as what we perceive as science. What goes on "beyond" the planet, (and I use the term beyond loosely), is so vast and deep, it's hardly worth pontificating over if humans want to evolve as a species upon their own little rock. That science is limited is well known by scientists. That theology has zero evidence to study is lost on a lot of struggling believers.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:54:53 GMT
Okay, if you know more than Big Bang scientists do, then who can argue with that. It is not even worth arguing over something that is theoretical/conjecture. It just ponders over more and more questions. See my other response. It’s not so much relevant to waste time on this, than it is to figure out our own humanity problems as contained upon earth. It’s all theoretical/conjecture in the physical world. It’s faith in the supernatural one that needs no evidence, therefore there is nothing for science to study in the supernatural. And the Bible is literary work that has no science in it and very little history.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 1:57:00 GMT
That science is limited is well known by scientists. That theology has zero evidence to study is lost on a lot of struggling believers. That is why people need to get "real" as human inhabitants and start to become their own Gods in sorting out the/their issues.
What we do contain as humans is untapped potential, that is not becoming realized, while ego-mindsets and need for wealth based power exceed everything else. This is the fragmentation that is damaging.
Jesus said much the same. If his followers would pay attention to him rather try to scare people into joining their religion they realize this.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 2:21:50 GMT
It’s all theoretical/conjecture in the physical world. It’s faith in the supernatural one that needs no evidence, therefore there is nothing for science to study in the supernatural. And the Bible is literary work that has no science in it and very little history. Well, we know when it comes to supernatural, that NO evidence is required, because that makes it convenient to avoid what is rational. However, when it comes to our human potential and energy and mass that surrounds everything, these are invisible, yet are still considered science. This could be considered supernatural, away from theist belief.
There is body and there is subtle body, which connects and aligns us to all that is one in the universe. Only invisible to normal our human senses. Looking only at the night sky with eyes will change any assumption you made about it once you look through the James Webb telescope. I can’t hear the radio waves going through the air, but with a machine to enhance my ears I can. And no religious faith made radio possible, science did. What heeeyyy posted is not science, it’s pseudoscience. It’s talking about reincarnation and that’s heresy in all forms of Christianity.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 2:32:56 GMT
Only invisible to normal our human senses. Looking only at the night sky with eyes will change any assumption you made about it once you look through the James Webb telescope. I can’t hear the radio waves going through the air, but with a machine to enhance my ears again. And no religious faith made radio possible, science did. What heeeyyy posted is not science, it’s pseudoscience. Even scientific theory could be considered pseudo-science, because it can't always be proven.
Technology is born of scientific invention, to enhance our experiences. It doesn't always enhance our understanding though. A lot of it still comes about from speculation. If it’s speculation, is it really real or rational?
And what you are talking is sophistry.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 3, 2023 14:16:57 GMT
And what you are talking is sophistry. Where is the fallacy? You don’t understand the difference between science and pseudoscience, or between the Nature and Pseudo-Nature, there’s not anything left for me to discuss.
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