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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 7, 2017 4:04:33 GMT
She wasn't amazing in the OT, but you didn't like the new Storm from Apocalypse? I thought she was great. Honestly, i didn't care for the actress they got for her. I liked her a lot, but I can see it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 7, 2017 11:48:02 GMT
And I gave a reason for her to have one that fit both her personally and for the greater MCU. And you can't say that they gave Black Panther a solo movie because it dictated that he has one. You can't say the same for Ant-man either. Iron Man 3 didn't need to happen because it didn't have a narrative reason. Um, I said how she would fit in the overall narrative. She'd be the opener. The prologue, really. The movie that gets things going. I mean... She's a spy. She'd find some information on whatever. That's what she does. Use that to start things off on the next phase. Alright if your perspective is to look at it and say "we can do anything with any character", then I'm not sure I can get you to see why they aren't making a film for her. There's a deeper reason. I've tried to explain it, but you just keep coming back to this sort of "make it happen" type of thing. I don't know what else to tell you, other than they haven't made one for her, and there's a reason they're putting Wasp and Captain Marvel in a film before Widow. If you want the answer to that I'll be glad to explain it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 7, 2017 12:09:43 GMT
Black Widow
Captain Marvel (It's coming. Eventually.)
Supergirl
Zatanna
I also think She-Hulk would make a great Netflix series.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 7, 2017 21:09:57 GMT
And I gave a reason for her to have one that fit both her personally and for the greater MCU. And you can't say that they gave Black Panther a solo movie because it dictated that he has one. You can't say the same for Ant-man either. Iron Man 3 didn't need to happen because it didn't have a narrative reason. Um, I said how she would fit in the overall narrative. She'd be the opener. The prologue, really. The movie that gets things going. I mean... She's a spy. She'd find some information on whatever. That's what she does. Use that to start things off on the next phase. Alright if your perspective is to look at it and say "we can do anything with any character", then I'm not sure I can get you to see why they aren't making a film for her. There's a deeper reason. I've tried to explain it, but you just keep coming back to this sort of "make it happen" type of thing. I don't know what else to tell you, other than they haven't made one for her, and there's a reason they're putting Wasp and Captain Marvel in a film before Widow. If you want the answer to that I'll be glad to explain it. This isn't about who they will make a movie for. It's about who needs one and, for us, if they can make one for her and will it work/fit. Why they haven't yet? Because they have used her continuously already. And that's before they got rid of the guy that thought female led movies weren't viable. Wasp is still new. Captain Marvel is so new that she isn't even a baby yet. If they had Captain Marvel in the same amount of movies as Black Widow they wouldn't make a solo movie for her either. I think making Black Widow a secondary is a concession for not giving her her own movie.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 7, 2017 22:33:32 GMT
This isn't about who they will make a movie for. It's about who needs one and, for us, if they can make one for her and will it work/fit. Why they haven't yet? Because they have used her continuously already. And that's before they got rid of the guy that thought female led movies weren't viable. Wasp is still new. Captain Marvel is so new that she isn't even a baby yet. If they had Captain Marvel in the same amount of movies as Black Widow they wouldn't make a solo movie for her either. I think making Black Widow a secondary is a concession for not giving her her own movie. I agree. They've used Black Widow up for the most part. But that has always made sense to me. She was always a secondary character as far as I could tell, even in the comics, so I honestly don't know what the push is to have her in a solo film. I know this might sound strange to you, but I've never once been watching these films, even as they came out, and thought to myself that a Black Widow film was what they needed to do, just like I don't think a War Machine film is what they need to do.
Solo films I could see happening? Scarlett Witch. Bucky. Perhaps Falcon, but only in a team up with Bucky. But not Hawkeye, not Vision, not War Machine, and Widow is in that category as well.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 7, 2017 23:26:56 GMT
This isn't about who they will make a movie for. It's about who needs one and, for us, if they can make one for her and will it work/fit. Why they haven't yet? Because they have used her continuously already. And that's before they got rid of the guy that thought female led movies weren't viable. Wasp is still new. Captain Marvel is so new that she isn't even a baby yet. If they had Captain Marvel in the same amount of movies as Black Widow they wouldn't make a solo movie for her either. I think making Black Widow a secondary is a concession for not giving her her own movie. I agree. They've used Black Widow up for the most part. But that has always made sense to me. She was always a secondary character as far as I could tell, even in the comics, so I honestly don't know what the push is to have her in a solo film. I know this might sound strange to you, but I've never once been watching these films, even as they came out, and thought to myself that a Black Widow film was what they needed to do, just like I don't think a War Machine film is what they need to do.
Solo films I could see happening? Scarlett Witch. Bucky. Perhaps Falcon, but only in a team up with Bucky. But not Hawkeye, not Vision, not War Machine, and Widow is in that category as well.
I understand what you are saying. Can you try to understand that some of your fellow MCU fans just want a Black Widow movie because we think the character is cool? It isn't a need that is based off of box office prognostications or trending data, or any tenants of dramatic structure that say so and so must be in a solo movie and, this other so and so must not. It's purely an emotional thing, which you seem desperate to put into some kind of logical framework. But, here's the thing, you can't. It is what it is. Whether we get what we want or not is a separate issue, for now, we're content to dream and plot and poke and prod and scheme. The Black Widow will have her day. SaveSave
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 7, 2017 23:53:51 GMT
This isn't about who they will make a movie for. It's about who needs one and, for us, if they can make one for her and will it work/fit. Why they haven't yet? Because they have used her continuously already. And that's before they got rid of the guy that thought female led movies weren't viable. Wasp is still new. Captain Marvel is so new that she isn't even a baby yet. If they had Captain Marvel in the same amount of movies as Black Widow they wouldn't make a solo movie for her either. I think making Black Widow a secondary is a concession for not giving her her own movie. I agree. They've used Black Widow up for the most part. But that has always made sense to me. She was always a secondary character as far as I could tell, even in the comics, so I honestly don't know what the push is to have her in a solo film. I know this might sound strange to you, but I've never once been watching these films, even as they came out, and thought to myself that a Black Widow film was what they needed to do, just like I don't think a War Machine film is what they need to do.
Solo films I could see happening? Scarlett Witch. Bucky. Perhaps Falcon, but only in a team up with Bucky. But not Hawkeye, not Vision, not War Machine, and Widow is in that category as well.
It's not that they've used her up (because there is still lots of story they can tell with her), it's that they've had her to the point she is noticeable as something. Scarlet Witch and Bucky is in the same spot as Black Widow. Same as Falcon and War Machine. The only time Bucky, Falcon and War Machine can have a solo movie is if they take over for the main stars in that line of movies. They were created as side kicks. Black Widow was not created as a side kick/secondary. Also, Black Widow has had her own comics. So she isn't a secondary character. You don't watch the films and think they need to do a character because you don't think about character. That's why I can think of movies for any character. Because I think about that character. I don't think about their role in a bigger picture. Every character is important. Especially when you have a cinematic universe. You can go anywhere and do anything with those characters.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 8, 2017 0:02:01 GMT
I understand what you are saying. Can you try to understand that some of your fellow MCU fans just want a Black Widow movie because we think the character is cool? It isn't a need that is based off of box office prognostications or trending data, or any tenants of dramatic structure that say so and so must be in a solo movie and, this other so and so must not. It's purely an emotional thing, which you seem desperate to put into some kind of logical framework. But, here's the thing, you can't. It is what it is. Whether we get what we want or not is a separate issue, for now, we're content to dream and plot and poke and prod and scheme. The Black Widow will have her day. SaveSaveOh I understand they want it. I'd want one to if it came out. I'm just suggesting being realistic and trying to understand why it's not happening, as opposed to being disappointed that one isn't happening and not understanding why. I'm not trying to put the emotion of wanting one in a box, but rather saying that the emotion isn't what decides it. I'm just being realistic is all, but I certainly don't mean any offense.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 8, 2017 0:03:44 GMT
I understand what you are saying. Can you try to understand that some of your fellow MCU fans just want a Black Widow movie because we think the character is cool? It isn't a need that is based off of box office prognostications or trending data, or any tenants of dramatic structure that say so and so must be in a solo movie and, this other so and so must not. It's purely an emotional thing, which you seem desperate to put into some kind of logical framework. But, here's the thing, you can't. It is what it is. Whether we get what we want or not is a separate issue, for now, we're content to dream and plot and poke and prod and scheme. The Black Widow will have her day. SaveSaveOh I understand they want it. I'd want one to if it came out. I'm just suggesting being realistic and trying to understand why it's not happening, as opposed to being disappointed that one isn't happening and not understanding why. I'm not trying to put the emotion of wanting one in a box, but rather saying that the emotion isn't what decides it. I'm just being realistic is all, but I certainly don't mean any offense. I know but, your logical rain stings and hurts our eyes! :-) SaveSave
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 8, 2017 0:04:43 GMT
It's not that they've used her up (because there is still lots of story they can tell with her), it's that they've had her to the point she is noticeable as something. Scarlet Witch and Bucky is in the same spot as Black Widow. Same as Falcon and War Machine. The only time Bucky, Falcon and War Machine can have a solo movie is if they take over for the main stars in that line of movies. They were created as side kicks. Black Widow was not created as a side kick/secondary. Also, Black Widow has had her own comics. So she isn't a secondary character. You don't watch the films and think they need to do a character because you don't think about character. That's why I can think of movies for any character. Because I think about that character. I don't think about their role in a bigger picture. Every character is important. Especially when you have a cinematic universe. You can go anywhere and do anything with those characters. Well first of all, pretty much all of those characters have had solo runs. Second, we just keep coming back to this, you can think of a reason to give her a solo movie. Yes, I get it. I can do. But she hasn't had one and there's a reason. I've tried to tell you why. I don't know what else there is to say.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 8, 2017 0:05:35 GMT
I know but, your logical rain stings and hurts our eyes! :-) SaveSavelol. Hey, thinking logically all the time is the best umbrella for that.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 8, 2017 6:56:55 GMT
Black Widow Captain Marvel (It's coming. Eventually.) Supergirl Zatanna I also think She-Hulk would make a great Netflix series. MCU is never going to make Black Widow movie. They've had 9 years to do it and haven't.
Supergirl will probably be introduced in Man of Steel 2. But DCEU should make a Supergirl and the Legion of Super-Heroes movie.
Zatanna will be in Justice League Dark so she probably won't get her own movie, unless she really stands out in Justice League Dark (like Harley Quinn stood out in Suicide Squad).
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Post by Marv on Jun 8, 2017 19:40:44 GMT
I'd say Ms Marvel has the strongest case for characters not already in either movie franchise. She has plenty of backstory and is and interesting and strong female hero in her own right not really tied down to one team or another or a male hero counterpart.
She Hulk could be interesting but the standalone Hulk movies don't seem to be something the MCU wishes to continue with so Id be surprised if they'd throw support at a standalone She Hulk movie.
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