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Post by gadreel on Feb 26, 2023 21:48:43 GMT
Let me know when he labels your link another ultra left-wing propaganda piece from a woke website masquerading as a religious blog and trying to pass it off as an objective scholarly argument. He wont he is too chicken to actually discuss reality, it might mean he has to confront the fact that the only thing he has against homosexuality is that he personally does not like it.
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Post by djorno on Feb 26, 2023 23:41:34 GMT
"It's OK when we do it" The only reason Faustus prefer's Fr Jack's cherry picking is because he blindly excuses sin. Either way Faustus' inconsistancy and double standards are apparant. Your cherry picking denies Christs commandments and is contrary to biblical scholarship. I don't cherry pick. And your idea of "scholarship" is woke websites pretending to be Christian and bending over backwards to justify the sin of homosexuality. Sorry, bro, you'll have troll a bit harder than that.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 27, 2023 0:43:15 GMT
Your cherry picking denies Christs commandments and is contrary to biblical scholarship. I don't cherry pick. And your idea of "scholarship" is woke websites pretending to be Christian and bending over backwards to justify the sin of homosexuality. Sorry, bro, you'll have troll a bit harder than that. No 'bro' you have the monopoly on trolling, too scared to answer my questions too. Ignorance is one thing, willful ignorance is pathetic.
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Post by clusium on Feb 27, 2023 3:32:29 GMT
It is tragic that djorno and clusium are so brainwashed and conditioned by their religious teachings. I'm sure in ordinary life outside of these chat threads, they wouldn't be expressing the bigotry they do, unless in the comfort of their own corrupted cabal. They wouldn't dare. Of course I keep my opinion on the matter to myself, for the most part. That is why I never participated in the LGBT message forum back when this website & the old IMDB message forum. Ever notice how people on the left side of things cry "free expression" for things that they agree with, but, will try to censor discussions or people by crying "bigotry" when they disagree?
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 1, 2023 16:13:06 GMT
Disclaimer: I appreciate YOU (as a person) for what you’re trying to do. But I don’t appreciate what you actually do! I don’t agree with your religion (or the reasonableness of your acceptance of this religion), but I can certainly recognize your attempt to represent your faith in a positive way that doesn’t malign that character of the god you believe. And the reason I can appreciate that is because this is the type of Christian I strived to be back when I was a believer. Having said that, I generally prefer to argue with the conservative, fundamentalist, homophobic Christians because it’s so much easier to show why Christianity is a failed religion using them as a perfect example. When the loudest representatives of Christ are essentially “the scum of the Earth”, the selfish, ignorant, cherry-picking, self-righteous people who have so little regard for humanity that they delight in this notion that people will burn in hell - that paints the religion in the perfect light necessary for a rational mind to reject it. All they need to witness are the mad ravings of Christians like djorno to know that this is not only a false belief system, but a harmful and dangerous one. Forgive me, but I sincerely hope that you’re not going to fall back on the tired trope of evoking the “No True Scotsman” fallacy to dismiss your fellow Christian here. As much as you might like to “disown” this kind of thinking, he is in fact a product of your religious system, based on your religious Holy Book. If he is “wrong” and you are “right”, how is an atheist like me supposed to know the difference? What standard should I be using to judge which of you is the “true Christian”? And if both of you are true, then do you not see the problem of internal inconsistency you have to overcome with your own religious system? Please don’t take this personally, but the reason I don’t like liberal Christians or those who might be LGBTQ affirming is because you’re just as guilty as cherry picking and ignoring the inconvenient passages (including the ones from the NEW testament) as people like clusium and djorno. The two of you existing in the same space is only ammunition for me to show just how contradictory the Bible is. Liberal Christians try to repaint this ugly religion into something benign and tolerable to make more attractive than it is. The Bible is a homophobic book, with homophobic teachings (in BOTH testaments). It’s easy for you to say that you don’t judge gay people and think they are okay, but that’s not what the Bible says about gay people. You claim to be a Bible believer, which means you still need to explain away the homophobic parts. You can’t just deny them as if they don’t exist because you’d rather focus on the so-called love of Jesus. That’s dishonest! If you truly believe that Jesus is God, then you ought to have an explanation for why Jesus ever ordered that gays be executed in the first place. That’s a commandment in scripture, and the New Testament never overturns this. Liberal Christianity (IMO) is a form of cognitive dissonance whereby a Christian is trying to reconcile the teachings of the Bible with their own conflicting moral standard. People who intuitively understand that things like slavery, and genocide, and misogyny, and homophobia are wrong…but still want to believe in the Bible anyway despite the fact that it literally sanctions all of these things. Wow, that was quite a speech there, Captain. Thank you. But notice how it was completely ignored by all (Christian) parties here. None of them have an answer for this, which in a lot of ways validates my overall point. This is precisely why Christianity ought not be taken seriously by reasonable minds. It generates cognitive dissonance and necessarily requires cherry-picking scripture and evading any serious challenge to its internal consistency.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 1, 2023 16:18:13 GMT
Wow, that was quite a speech there, Captain. Thank you. But notice how it was completely ignored by all (Christian) parties here. None of them have an answer for this, which in a lot of ways validates my overall point. This is precisely why Christianity ought not be taken seriously by reasonable minds. It generates cognitive dissonance and necessarily requires cherry-picking scripture and evading any serious challenge to its internal consistency. You don't have a point. It's just blather. Why should anyone respond to that?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 1, 2023 23:35:40 GMT
You don't have a point. It's just blather. Why should anyone respond to that? I have and the captain's point has been proven by those that liked this snarky comment of yours erj. Should I apologize? I told him back in....I don't even remember what year it was.....it was back when he still called himself a believer in God. I told him that he couldn't serve two masters. He didn't seem to believe me, but at some point he must have realized it for himself, and he chose the one he wanted.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 2, 2023 0:10:25 GMT
Should I apologize? I told him back in....I don't even remember what year it was.....it was back when he still called himself a believer in God. I told him that he couldn't serve two masters. He didn't seem to believe me, but at some point he must have realized it for himself, and he chose the one he wanted. He chose to empower himself and be his own master of the universe and not some make believe thing. The other choice as just mentioned, will only conflict one and take others down with them.
How lovely for him. It certainly is being used that way by the elitist establishment, but to say all religion is no good is just simple.
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Post by Sarge on Mar 2, 2023 3:26:02 GMT
Talking about gays is boring, start a thread about something else, maybe something about Luke, or Paul, or if Islam is closer to the original Christianity, anything more interesting.
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 2, 2023 4:29:13 GMT
Thank you. But notice how it was completely ignored by all (Christian) parties here. None of them have an answer for this, which in a lot of ways validates my overall point. This is precisely why Christianity ought not be taken seriously by reasonable minds. It generates cognitive dissonance and necessarily requires cherry-picking scripture and evading any serious challenge to its internal consistency. You don't have a point. It's just blather. Why should anyone respond to that? I literally just explained why. But it’s okay; I wasn’t expecting YOU to be among those who might comprehend since you’re a member of the affected in-group!
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Post by captainbryce on Mar 2, 2023 4:37:09 GMT
Thank you. But notice how it was completely ignored by all (Christian) parties here. None of them have an answer for this, which in a lot of ways validates my overall point. This is precisely why Christianity ought not be taken seriously by reasonable minds. It generates cognitive dissonance and necessarily requires cherry-picking scripture and evading any serious challenge to its internal consistency. You and amyghost are terrific wordsmiths and not only that, you know what it's all about and what is going on. I rarely find anything that doesn't resonate with me, if anything, when you guys speak. The truth is the truth and to live life in honest expression of this truth only proves how much you have a handle on human nature in all its glorious flaws and foibles. You guys are skilled in highlighting them. The rest is for those to read what is written. Those that then go into denial, proves how much they are still floundering with their own lives, beliefs and how much these have led them astray. Of course they will then imply one will be led astray if not finding religion to save them, yet they can never really form a solid or genuine argument born of truth and honesty. The truth to them is only a delusion. YouTubeFacebook
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Post by jackbrock on Apr 23, 2023 21:41:41 GMT
So if religious people have trouble with gays, how come they aren't concerned with other things such as the things in this video:
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Post by amyghost on Apr 23, 2023 22:12:10 GMT
So if religious people have trouble with gays, how come they aren't concerned with other things such as the things in this video: Because 'Christians' as a whole seem to have a great and enduring unwholesome pre-occupation with all things genitally-based. For them, the word 'morality' is spelled S-E-X and nothing falling outside of this is of any real interest to them.
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Post by jackbrock on Apr 27, 2023 1:21:53 GMT
When did you decide to be attracted to the opposite sex? Were you born to sexually prefer only one race? It's probably around the same time they decided to be left or right handed. Or skin color, hair color, race....
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Post by jackbrock on May 19, 2023 1:11:34 GMT
Yeah, I do condemn it and yes I hate what Christianity represents because it’s absolutely sick. But here’s the thing genius…UNLIKE sexual orientation, religion actually IS a choice and unlike homosexuals, Christianity has doctrines that promote hate towards others. There are no homosexuals shoving homosexuality down anyone else’s throat. There are no LGBTQ campaigns out there trying to recruit and proselytize to make more LGBTQ people! Christianity on the other hand is about proselytizing and spreading ignorance and hate under the guise of love! Gay people aren’t harming anyone by being gay. Christians on the other hand ARE harming people (and they always have been). It’s not the gay agenda that I’m afraid of because that has no impact on anyone else who isn’t LGBTQ. The Christian agenda on the hand is often about taking people’s rights away, and has a real tangible impact on the lives of non-Christians. I’d be one thing if you motherfuckers simply practiced what you believed in private and kept your hate behind closed doors, generally speaking - you don’t. You indoctrinate entire generations into the same ideology so that you end up with a society of fools who deny science, promote magic, assert moral superiority, and condemn people who just want to be left alone. So yeah, I hate that shit! And that is the CORRECT attitude to have because the only thing necessary for the proposer of evil is for good men to do nothing! Tolerance is complicit. Hating things that are hateful, and refusing to tolerate intolerance doesn’t make you a bigot. On the contrary, it makes you rational and moral. People who are tolerant of hatred and bigotry are part of the problem! Hating a person because of their religion is bigotry. While it may be a choice, it is also something that being born into, much like one's own nationality is both choice or something that one is born into. Christianity is responsible for the vast majority of charity throughout the entire world. Historically, hospitals were started by Christian monks. Did you know that? Even back when you once claimed to be "christian," were you aware of that fact. Hardly sounds like hatred to me. FYI, I realize that people cannot help it if their brains are wired to be attracted to their own gender. Given the history of abuse that they endured, there is no way a person could possibly want to be gay, lesbian, or even bisexual. I happen to be mentally challenged myself, & I can assure you that has caused me a great amount of grief my entire life, & that is over a span of 5 decades. I certainly would not choose being a special needs individual, hence I know that there is no way a person consciously chooses same-sex attraction. One more thing, captainbryce : Are you aware that Christians are persecuted in many parts of the world (in some places, even bordering on genocide)? I assume you have been bullied because of your disability. LGBTQ people also generally get bullied a lot as well. Bullying can cause a lot of pain to victims. Preaching intolerance towards people who are different than you is wrong, be it thru skin color, disability or sexual orientation. I was hoping you would be more tolerant.
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