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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 13:40:24 GMT
It was a big nothing burger. I didn't care about anything happening at all. There wasn't an action scene in that movie that wasn't anticlimactic. I felt the same way about Ant Mang, except it managed to make me laugh a few times. Shang Chi is one of the only MCU movies I have zero desire to ever watch again. The praise is just baffling to me. The character is so dull and has no arc whatsoever. It’s a martial arts character who has only one semi-decent martial arts fight in the first act and then a climax about big cgi monsters. The plot is contrived and cliched. And holy shit the humor is the most obnoxious in the MCU- Aquafina and the drunk actor from IM3? Fuck that movie! Agree on everything about the character.
Not a Simu Liu fan either. can't stand him tbh. He is mouthy and a baby. prone to kneejerk reactions. When Chapek said something about the hybrid release (he called it experimental) of Shang Chi and that dork ranted and raved, "wE ArE NOt aN ExPerImeNt!"
He complains nonstop. He never met a topic he couldn't complain about:
Simu Liu Slams Tarantino for Anti-Marvel Comments: Golden Age Was ‘White as Hell’
The Marvel star said that while he's "in awe" of filmmakers like Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese, "they don't get to point their nose at me or anyone."
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2023 14:03:09 GMT
Kang is a mass murderer and dictator, I don't think "Is taking him out the right thing to do" comes into play here.
I don't think your nitpicking at all, it's a very valid complaint. I've seen marketing or comments from review outlets saying stuff like, "Kang is a Thanos-level threat."Based on what we've seen, that's a ridiculous comment. Two versions of him have been killed now and he's supposed to be the big bad for whenever the next version of The Avengers are seen teaming up again.
The next guy could be worse for the multiverse, that's the question you have to ask. We don't know his true motivations. He brought order to the Quantum Realm through force. Some died, others lived fairly well, others rebelled. The next Kang could just want to kill timelines (and everyone in them) for fun. The movie thought it came into play, Scott specifically asks himself if he did the right thing. The guy we met in Loki was seemingly the most benevolent of them so far. The version from Quantumania hinted at worse things to come, and the mid-credit scene pretty much establishes that to be true. Some of those variants looked downright psychotic, and it's clear that there's a hierarchy, even among Kangs. So some are stronger than others. I agree it's a better movie if some of the central characters died or got lost in time. Someone should've had to make a sacrifice to beat him this time. But it's not Like Thanos did anything at all until Infinity War. He gave an army to Loki that was easily defeated, starred in a bunch of post-credit scenes and sat there as Ronan mouthed off to him. The audience just went along with the idea that he was this 'big bad' without any proof on screen. We've read the comics, so we know how dangerous these guys are. Kang may be a Thanos level threat, but he isn't Thanos. His schemes, his tech, his variants, his messing with the timeline; that's the threat they'll have to deal with. A knock down, drag out fight with him alone is not the likely resolution to all of this.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 15:06:04 GMT
Kang is a mass murderer and dictator, I don't think "Is taking him out the right thing to do" comes into play here.
I don't think your nitpicking at all, it's a very valid complaint. I've seen marketing or comments from review outlets saying stuff like, "Kang is a Thanos-level threat."Based on what we've seen, that's a ridiculous comment. Two versions of him have been killed now and he's supposed to be the big bad for whenever the next version of The Avengers are seen teaming up again.
The next guy could be worse for the multiverse, that's the question you have to ask. We don't know his true motivations. He brought order to the Quantum Realm through force. Some died, others lived fairly well, others rebelled. The next Kang could just want to kill timelines (and everyone in them) for fun. The movie thought it came into play, Scott specifically asks himself if he did the right thing. The guy we met in Loki was seemingly the most benevolent of them so far. The version from Quantumania hinted at worse things to come, and the mid-credit scene pretty much establishes that to be true. Some of those variants looked downright psychotic, and it's clear that there's a hierarchy, even among Kangs. So some are stronger than others. I agree it's a better movie if some of the central characters died or got lost in time. Someone should've had to make a sacrifice to beat him this time. But it's not Like Thanos did anything at all until Infinity War. He gave an army to Loki that was easily defeated, starred in a bunch of post-credit scenes and sat there as Ronan mouthed off to him. The audience just went along with the idea that he was this 'big bad' without any proof on screen. We've read the comics, so we know how dangerous these guys are. Kang may be a Thanos level threat, but he isn't Thanos. His schemes, his tech, his variants, his messing with the timeline; that's the threat they'll have to deal with. A knock down, drag out fight with him alone is not the likely resolution to all of this. No you don't. This isn't bad president or prime minister, it's a dictator, tyrant, and actual mass murderer. Not one of those who just tells other people to do his bidding, he has killled an incalculable number of people. There is no case for Kang.
Scott is the same dude who sides with Cap and takes an anti-government stance in Civil War. He did that because he he was against the Accords, which are faaaaar less insidious than anything Kang has done, but we're supposed to believe he questions whether overthrowing a mass murderer is the right thing? This is not a good pitch, which is one of the many reasons the movie fails.
As much as I didn't care for the movie, I am hoping Kang is not dead. It was disappointing the supposed "worst one" was dismissed in his first appearance. Hopefully he just ended up in another place and finds his way back (and is madder than ever).
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2023 15:34:12 GMT
Shang Chi is one of the only MCU movies I have zero desire to ever watch again. The praise is just baffling to me. The character is so dull and has no arc whatsoever. It’s a martial arts character who has only one semi-decent martial arts fight in the first act and then a climax about big cgi monsters. The plot is contrived and cliched. And holy shit the humor is the most obnoxious in the MCU- Aquafina and the drunk actor from IM3? Fuck that movie! Agree on everything about the character.
Not a Simu Liu fan either. can't stand him tbh. He is mouthy and a baby. prone to kneejerk reactions. When Chapek said something about the hybrid release (he called it experimental) of Shang Chi and that dork ranted and raved, "wE ArE NOt aN ExPerImeNt!"
He complains nonstop. He never met a topic he couldn't complain about:
Simu Liu Slams Tarantino for Anti-Marvel Comments: Golden Age Was ‘White as Hell’
The Marvel star said that while he's "in awe" of filmmakers like Quentin Tarantino and Martin Scorsese, "they don't get to point their nose at me or anyone."
If you really researched, you'd know he wasn't going to sign the old comics with the outdated racist stuff in them.
He made a JOKE about how terrible Ethan Hawke's attempts at speaking Mandarin were, because he WAS that bad.
He's not wrong about Tarantino and Scorsese. Scorsese still has issues with race even to this day.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2023 15:42:11 GMT
The next guy could be worse for the multiverse, that's the question you have to ask. We don't know his true motivations. He brought order to the Quantum Realm through force. Some died, others lived fairly well, others rebelled. The next Kang could just want to kill timelines (and everyone in them) for fun. The movie thought it came into play, Scott specifically asks himself if he did the right thing. The guy we met in Loki was seemingly the most benevolent of them so far. The version from Quantumania hinted at worse things to come, and the mid-credit scene pretty much establishes that to be true. Some of those variants looked downright psychotic, and it's clear that there's a hierarchy, even among Kangs. So some are stronger than others. I agree it's a better movie if some of the central characters died or got lost in time. Someone should've had to make a sacrifice to beat him this time. But it's not Like Thanos did anything at all until Infinity War. He gave an army to Loki that was easily defeated, starred in a bunch of post-credit scenes and sat there as Ronan mouthed off to him. The audience just went along with the idea that he was this 'big bad' without any proof on screen. We've read the comics, so we know how dangerous these guys are. Kang may be a Thanos level threat, but he isn't Thanos. His schemes, his tech, his variants, his messing with the timeline; that's the threat they'll have to deal with. A knock down, drag out fight with him alone is not the likely resolution to all of this. No you don't. This isn't bad president or prime minister, it's a dictator, tyrant, and actual mass murderer. Not one of those who just tells other people to do his bidding, he has killled an incalculable number of people. There is no case for Kang.
Scott is the same dude who sides with Cap and takes an anti-government stance in Civil War. He did that because he he was against the Accords, which are faaaaar less insidious than anything Kang has done, but we're supposed to believe he questions whether overthrowing a mass murderer is the right thing? This is not a good pitch, which is one of the many reasons the movie fails.
As much as I didn't care for the movie, I am hoping Kang is not dead. It was disappointing the supposed "worst one" was dismissed in his first appearance. Hopefully he just ended up in another place and finds his way back (and is madder than ever).
Then why does the movie make Scott ask why? They don't throw that in there for nothing. This Kang killed a whole lot of people in the name of order, the question is, what if the next guy wants to kill everyone for fun? Like I said, Kang had taken over the Quantum Realm, but there was still room for prosperity there. Some people appeared to be living quite well. So if the next guy comes along and just wants to destroy literally everything in his path, is that not worse? Maybe that question isn't worth asking to you, but it is to me. The fact that we're having this discussion makes my point for me. You don't think it could be worse, I think it could.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 19:57:36 GMT
No you don't. This isn't bad president or prime minister, it's a dictator, tyrant, and actual mass murderer. Not one of those who just tells other people to do his bidding, he has killled an incalculable number of people. There is no case for Kang.
Scott is the same dude who sides with Cap and takes an anti-government stance in Civil War. He did that because he he was against the Accords, which are faaaaar less insidious than anything Kang has done, but we're supposed to believe he questions whether overthrowing a mass murderer is the right thing? This is not a good pitch, which is one of the many reasons the movie fails.
As much as I didn't care for the movie, I am hoping Kang is not dead. It was disappointing the supposed "worst one" was dismissed in his first appearance. Hopefully he just ended up in another place and finds his way back (and is madder than ever).
Then why does the movie make Scott ask why? They don't throw that in there for nothing. This Kang killed a whole lot of people in the name of order, the question is, what if the next guy wants to kill everyone for fun? Like I said, Kang had taken over the Quantum Realm, but there was still room for prosperity there. Some people appeared to be living quite well. So if the next guy comes along and just wants to destroy literally everything in his path, is that not worse? Maybe that question isn't worth asking to you, but it is to me. The fact that we're having this discussion makes my point for me. You don't think it could be worse, I think it could. Because it's a bad poorly written movie.
Worse than a guy who has wiped out entire timelines? There's no number for how many people that is.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2023 20:36:23 GMT
Then why does the movie make Scott ask why? They don't throw that in there for nothing. This Kang killed a whole lot of people in the name of order, the question is, what if the next guy wants to kill everyone for fun? Like I said, Kang had taken over the Quantum Realm, but there was still room for prosperity there. Some people appeared to be living quite well. So if the next guy comes along and just wants to destroy literally everything in his path, is that not worse? Maybe that question isn't worth asking to you, but it is to me. The fact that we're having this discussion makes my point for me. You don't think it could be worse, I think it could. Because it's a bad poorly written movie.
Worse than a guy who has wiped out entire timelines? There's no number for how many people that is.
Yes. Someone who has wiped out more timelines. We don't actually know why Kang did what he did. What if the timelines he destroyed would have led to incursions that enveloped thousands of timelines, destroying all of them (as explained in Multiverse of Madness)? He explains in the Loki finale that alternate versions of him were warring across multiple timelines, and the whole reason for inventing the TVA was to keep that from happening. Chaos was spreading throughout the multiverse thanks to alternate versions of himself, and he tried to control it. Hell, that version of Kang even let himself be killed, though he warned them of what would happen if they did. That doesn't sound like evil for evil's sake to me, nor does what we see in Quantumania. Quantumania Kang is brutal, he's a dictator, all of that is true. But without a clear understanding of his objectives (which the film intentionally makes ambiguous), it's oversimplifying it to say he's the worst thing imaginable, especially when you see that mid-credit scene. There are people within the MCU itself who think Thanos was right, I don't see why Marvel would suddenly downgrade to a villain with no gray area to his persona or motives. And as I said off the top, the argument for and against Imperialism is as old as civilization itself. I'm not trying to convince you to like the movie. I respect your opinion, and if the story didn't work for you, and you think it sucks, so be it. I'm just saying 'the right thing to do' may not always be as obvious as it seems, depending on how broad your perspective is. And I appreciated that this movie, goofy as it was, took the time to at least consider that.
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Post by kuatorises on Feb 19, 2023 22:01:11 GMT
Because it's a bad poorly written movie.
Worse than a guy who has wiped out entire timelines? There's no number for how many people that is.
Yes. Someone who has wiped out more timelines. We don't actually know why Kang did what he did. What if the timelines he destroyed would have led to incursions that enveloped thousands of timelines, destroying all of them (as explained in Multiverse of Madness)? He explains in the Loki finale that alternate versions of him were warring across multiple timelines, and the whole reason for inventing the TVA was to keep that from happening. Chaos was spreading throughout the multiverse thanks to alternate versions of himself, and he tried to control it. Hell, that version of Kang even let himself be killed, though he warned them of what would happen if they did. That doesn't sound like evil for evil's sake to me, nor does what we see in Quantumania. Quantumania Kang is brutal, he's a dictator, all of that is true. But without a clear understanding of his objectives (which the film intentionally makes ambiguous), it's oversimplifying it to say he's the worst thing imaginable, especially when you see that mid-credit scene. There are people within the MCU itself who think Thanos was right, I don't see why Marvel would suddenly downgrade to a villain with no gray area to his persona or motives. And as I said off the top, the argument for and against Imperialism is as old as civilization itself. I'm not trying to convince you to like the movie. I respect your opinion, and if the story didn't work for you, and you think it sucks, so be it. I'm just saying 'the right thing to do' may not always be as obvious as it seems, depending on how broad your perspective is. And I appreciated that this movie, goofy as it was, took the time to at least consider that. And we're debating the morality of removing the worst one of them all from power? I mean his actions in of themselves are generally horrible, but we know he's the worst one, because we - having the luxury of being the viewer - were told that.
Oh, I know. That's not an issue. We don't have to agree to have a conversation.
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Post by Lux on Feb 21, 2023 16:05:27 GMT
It was okay Michelle Pfeiffer's second best role after Catwoman. Good to have Bill Murray and Michael Douglas in the same scenes. Most of it was trying to be Star Wars without the goofy big head animal costumes. The movie was like a mixture of Men in black, Humpty Dumpty in a Shrek movie, Star Wars, Valerian and GOTG.
Evangeline Lilly's stylist hated her in this movie though she looked better in the costume with the helmet on then out it and Kang was the best part. The less said about Modok the better. The creatures were okay.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 1:41:46 GMT
Saw it. It was okay.
The “Volume” looks fucking awful and they need to stop using it. Some of those backgrounds looked like total shit. How do these effects keep getting worse? It’s crazy.
The first half almost lost me. They were trying waaaaay too hard to replicate Thor Ragnorock and it just didn’t land all that well. It was just deliberately weird and cartoonish for its own sake.
Once Kang is introduced it really picked up. But it also felt too much like a set up for future movies. Kang’s motivation to get out of the Quantum Realm felt like it had zero impact on this story and its characters. His powers of manipulating time not only are unexplained they are completely irrelevant to this movie. It’s basically just “Ant Man has to stop Kang or else he will be the villain in the next Avengers movie!”. In fact, this is probably the single worst example of a forced sequel set up in the MCU so far.
It would have been far better to just actually commit to doing some interesting world building in the Quantum Realm. Outside of all the random weirdness the movie does absolutely no world building before it just completely moves on to Kang.
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Post by Lux on Feb 22, 2023 8:20:35 GMT
Saw it. It was okay. The “Volume” looks fucking awful and they need to stop using it. Some of those backgrounds looked like total shit. How do these effects keep getting worse? It’s crazy. The first half almost lost me. They were trying waaaaay too hard to replicate Thor Ragnorock and it just didn’t land all that well. It was just deliberately weird and cartoonish for its own sake. Once Kang is introduced it really picked up. But it also felt too much like a set up for future movies. Kang’s motivation to get out of the Quantum Realm felt like it had zero impact on this story and its characters. His powers of manipulating time not only are unexplained they are completely irrelevant to this movie. It’s basically just “Ant Man has to stop Kang or else he will be the villain in the next Avengers movie!”. In fact, this is probably the single worst example of a forced sequel set up in the MCU so far. It would have been far better to just actually commit to doing some interesting world building in the Quantum Realm. Outside of all the random weirdness the movie does absolutely no world building before it just completely moves on to Kang. C+ Not sure what you mean by volume and there was plenty of worldbuilding in this the translater blood or whatever and the futuristic city building ants an example. As for the background you'll have to explain that Quantum Realm is a literal magical vast world it was always going to look dodgy. Not sure about it having zero impact... The family are from Earth and they're trying to get back to Earth without a psychopath following them through that's the main story there's nothing else. As for the thing you have with sequel planning it's like complaining that it's hot in Morocco... Marvel does sequels that's what it does even standalone movies require planning even TikTok videos require planning.
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Post by DSDSquared on Feb 22, 2023 12:22:03 GMT
The movie was average, but I enjoyed it and it was short, which was a good thing in this case. I am in the HUGE minority here, but MODOK was my favorite part of the movie. Any scene that he was in was interesting, unlike Hank and Janet, who seriously need to be killed off or something. Any scene they are in stinks. I was also annoyed with how Janet seems to be able to fight powerful aliens with her fists as a 60+ year old woman. Saying all this, I will say that the MCU has really gone downhill since Endgame. It used to be that and MCU movie came out and it was must-see viewing. Now I catch most of them when they come on Disney+. I just happened to take my kids to see this one.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 22, 2023 17:31:46 GMT
It was a big nothing burger. I didn't care about anything happening at all. There wasn't an action scene in that movie that wasn't anticlimactic. I felt the same way about Ant Mang, except it managed to make me laugh a few times. Shang Chi is one of the only MCU movies I have zero desire to ever watch again. The praise is just baffling to me. The character is so dull and has no arc whatsoever. It’s a martial arts character who has only one semi-decent martial arts fight in the first act and then a climax about big cgi monsters. The plot is contrived and cliched. And holy shit the humor is the most obnoxious in the MCU- Aquafina and the drunk actor from IM3? Fuck that movie!
I actually enjoyed the relationship between Shang-Chi and Katy. I also enjoyed the first half of the movie a lot. But other than that I find myself only ever re-watching the bus fight scene. Aside from Hawkeye the TV show.. I haven't re-watched anything from Phase Four.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 20:21:03 GMT
Saw it. It was okay. The “Volume” looks fucking awful and they need to stop using it. Some of those backgrounds looked like total shit. How do these effects keep getting worse? It’s crazy. The first half almost lost me. They were trying waaaaay too hard to replicate Thor Ragnorock and it just didn’t land all that well. It was just deliberately weird and cartoonish for its own sake. Once Kang is introduced it really picked up. But it also felt too much like a set up for future movies. Kang’s motivation to get out of the Quantum Realm felt like it had zero impact on this story and its characters. His powers of manipulating time not only are unexplained they are completely irrelevant to this movie. It’s basically just “Ant Man has to stop Kang or else he will be the villain in the next Avengers movie!”. In fact, this is probably the single worst example of a forced sequel set up in the MCU so far. It would have been far better to just actually commit to doing some interesting world building in the Quantum Realm. Outside of all the random weirdness the movie does absolutely no world building before it just completely moves on to Kang. C+ Not sure what you mean by volume and there was plenty of worldbuilding in this the translater blood or whatever and the futuristic city building ants an example. As for the background you'll have to explain that Quantum Realm is a literal magical vast world it was always going to look dodgy. Not sure about it having zero impact... The family are from Earth and they're trying to get back to Earth without a psychopath following them through that's the main story there's nothing else. As for the thing you have with sequel planning it's like complaining that it's hot in Morocco... Marvel does sequels that's what it does even standalone movies require planning even TikTok videos require planning.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 22, 2023 20:38:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 20:55:34 GMT
Not surprising at all. Some of those effects looked genuinely awful. Particularly that scene with Janet and Hank in the desert where they acquire the creature to ride. They need to sort this all out. Blockbusters should not look this crappy in 2023.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 22, 2023 22:01:30 GMT
Not surprising at all. Some of those effects looked genuinely awful. Particularly that scene with Janet and Hank in the desert where they acquire the creature to ride. They need to sort this all out. Blockbusters should not look this crappy in 2023. I'm not surprised. This is usually what happens when you're cramming these films and shows out as quickly as they do.
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 22, 2023 23:35:50 GMT
Weird thing to say, considering the FX in Quantumania are superb.
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Post by Lux on Feb 22, 2023 23:52:21 GMT
Not surprising at all. Some of those effects looked genuinely awful. Particularly that scene with Janet and Hank in the desert where they acquire the creature to ride. They need to sort this all out. Blockbusters should not look this crappy in 2023. I'm not surprised. This is usually what happens when you're cramming these films and shows out as quickly as they do. If Marvel were recreating the twin towers before they were destroyed using computer generated effects it would make sense for people to criticize the effects because the buildings were real... but to come on to a forum to talk about how dodgy a microscopic fantasy world should look like is the most retarded thing that someone could post on a forum regardless of whether VFX designers are infighting or not.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Feb 23, 2023 0:05:34 GMT
Good thing they pushed back The Marvels.
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