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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 17:16:54 GMT
Critical acclaim, good numbers despite all the negative buzz the shows all had before they even aired, relatively new service with not a lot of subs. So yeah, successful. I think the words you’re looking for are “adequate”, “satisfactory” or “not a total disaster.” And that’s being pretty generous. With all that they had going against them, they qualify for "successful".
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 9, 2023 18:09:23 GMT
Not going to lie, I've been finding it hard to go out and see this film in theaters. Like I have no motivation to watch it in theaters at all.
Hell recently I made a choice between watching Ant-Man 3 or Cocaine Bear and I picked Cocaine Bear.
I wonder if I'm feeling that Marvel burnout that some people are feeling.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 9, 2023 18:27:09 GMT
A nomination is still a solid accomplishment. Is it though? The Oscars aren’t really taken seriously anymore. And let’s be honest there’s zero chance she wins this. Acting nominations for CBM’s isn’t exactly a common thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 18:36:49 GMT
Is it though? The Oscars aren’t really taken seriously anymore. And let’s be honest there’s zero chance she wins this. Acting nominations for CBM’s isn’t exactly a common thing. And do you think her performance was better than every single supporting actor in the history of the MCU?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 18:47:53 GMT
Not going to lie, I've been finding it hard to go out and see this film in theaters. Like I have no motivation to watch it in theaters at all. Hell recently I made a choice between watching Ant-Man 3 or Cocaine Bear and I picked Cocaine Bear. I wonder if I'm feeling that Marvel burnout that some people are feeling. I still see them but I haven’t walked out of the theater satisfied with a Marvel movie since End Game. The Marvels will be the first one I skip completely.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 9, 2023 18:50:01 GMT
Is it though? The Oscars aren’t really taken seriously anymore. And let’s be honest there’s zero chance she wins this. Acting nominations for CBM’s isn’t exactly a common thing. they are for batman and joker films
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Post by scabab on Mar 9, 2023 20:25:16 GMT
With all the negative buzz Shang Chi had around it beforehand, it is a loved movie. In fact going forward, fans will look back at it and appreciate it even more. So it's loved less for its plot, more its violence? That doesn't speak well. But you can't just ignore all the review bombing and negative buzz those projects had ahead of time, especially compared to the Zero Negative Buzz Daredevil had going in. Plus DD's score for the entire series and not just S1. All what negative buzz? I never saw no negative buzz for Shang Chi. I saw it for Captain Marvel but people seemed full of enthusiasm for it in all the trailers I saw. Nothing even comes up for such a thing on Google. How do you get that from what I said? The hallway fight scene wasn't even violent. I said it was a scene from episode 2 that was very popular. It was one of the higher rated episodes and it was a well liked show from the start, it wasn't something that just happened later on because the episodes were equally good throughout. Of course you can because that's a whole separate matter. People who review bomb are only gonna give it a 1/10. Ignore those and you can see what most the votes are going towards which is 6 and 7's whereas for Avengers and Guardians it was 8's and 9's. Why would this be surprising? It's extremely obviously that none of the MCU movies from Phase 4 except for Spider-Man are well loved. For what reasons they are loved is its own thing but otherwise none of have been particularly well liked to a Civil War, Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War degree.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Mar 9, 2023 20:58:16 GMT
Acting nominations for CBM’s isn’t exactly a common thing. And do you think her performance was better than every single supporting actor in the history of the MCU? That’s not really something I ever gave much thought, but it’s probably up there.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 21:35:43 GMT
Acting nominations for CBM’s isn’t exactly a common thing. they are for batman and joker films Only the Dark Knight, because everyone involved admits that "Joker" was an INO movie.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 9, 2023 21:39:53 GMT
With all the negative buzz Shang Chi had around it beforehand, it is a loved movie. In fact going forward, fans will look back at it and appreciate it even more. So it's loved less for its plot, more its violence? That doesn't speak well. But you can't just ignore all the review bombing and negative buzz those projects had ahead of time, especially compared to the Zero Negative Buzz Daredevil had going in. Plus DD's score for the entire series and not just S1. All what negative buzz? I never saw no negative buzz for Shang Chi. I saw it for Captain Marvel but people seemed full of enthusiasm for it in all the trailers I saw. Nothing even comes up for such a thing on Google. How do you get that from what I said? The hallway fight scene wasn't even violent. I said it was a scene from episode 2 that was very popular. It was one of the higher rated episodes and it was a well liked show from the start, it wasn't something that just happened later on because the episodes were equally good throughout. Of course you can because that's a whole separate matter. People who review bomb are only gonna give it a 1/10. Ignore those and you can see what most the votes are going towards which is 6 and 7's whereas for Avengers and Guardians it was 8's and 9's. Why would this be surprising? It's extremely obviously that none of the MCU movies from Phase 4 except for Spider-Man are well loved. For what reasons they are loved is its own thing but otherwise none of have been particularly well liked to a Civil War, Thor Ragnarok, Infinity War degree. Negative Buzz, it was a new untested character for the movies and came out during a time where there was a surge in Asiaphobia in the West. Plus Simu Liu made comments that naturally got twisted by pundits that turned people against him.
Actually, as DD's popularity went up in S2 and S3 (despite neither being that good) and JJ came on to further boost Netflix MCU's rep, people did go back and start upscaling the reviews to make the rating higher.
Not all of them go to 1/10, some mask theirs in 2/10s and 3/10s.
No, Shang Chi and Wakanda Forever and the D+ shows are held up to higher level degrees. From those who watched.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 9, 2023 21:47:57 GMT
they are for batman and joker films Only the Dark Knight, because everyone involved admits that "Joker" was an INO movie.
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Post by Lux on Mar 9, 2023 22:45:56 GMT
Not going to lie, I've been finding it hard to go out and see this film in theaters. Like I have no motivation to watch it in theaters at all. Hell recently I made a choice between watching Ant-Man 3 or Cocaine Bear and I picked Cocaine Bear. I wonder if I'm feeling that Marvel burnout that some people are feeling. How did it feel to have to make a life and death choice between two films that will likely stay in cinemas for the next three months anyway?
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Post by scabab on Mar 10, 2023 0:54:31 GMT
Negative Buzz, it was a new untested character for the movies and came out during a time where there was a surge in Asiaphobia in the West. Plus Simu Liu made comments that naturally got twisted by pundits that turned people against him. Being untested is nothing, there's been many new characters in the MCU or DC and don't get negative buzz for it. Any comments weren't wide spread, the casual cinema goer isn't going to know or even care. This new Peter Pan and Wendy has negative buzz. She Hulk had negative buzz. Captain Marvel had negative buzz. Shang Chi never had any substantial negative buzz. But again Web Archive shows that isn't true because Daredevil had a 8.8 score in January 2016 before season 2 came out. It went down with subsequent seasons to the current 8.6. In the end it doesn't even matter, the show was well loved since season 1, whether it became slightly more or less loved over time is besides the point because even after its first season it was always far more well liked than any of these MCU shows. A mere 6.6% of votes for Ms Marvel are 2's and 3's. It's only 4% for Wakanda Forever. That's trivial even if it were the case and people don't really review bomb and then give it a 3. Again this also is besides the point because you can clearly see for Wakanda Forever that 7/10 is the most given score with 6 and 8 either side of it in almost equal part. That does make for a well loved movie or it would skew much higher. When you compare that to The Batman which was considered the best superhero movie last year its most given score is an 8/10 with 9 and 10 close afterwards. So it's easy to see past this review bombing and that people weren't over keen on it especially when the first Black Panther was subject to this issue as well but it has mostly 8/10 with 7/10 straight behind because it was the more well liked movie.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 10, 2023 1:45:04 GMT
Not going to lie, I've been finding it hard to go out and see this film in theaters. Like I have no motivation to watch it in theaters at all. Hell recently I made a choice between watching Ant-Man 3 or Cocaine Bear and I picked Cocaine Bear. I wonder if I'm feeling that Marvel burnout that some people are feeling. How did it feel to have to make a life and death choice between two films that will likely stay in cinemas for the next three months anyway? Oh it was an easy choice. Between comic book movie #619 and a Bear going on a killing spree after eating some cocaine? I'm picking cocaine everytime!
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 10, 2023 16:15:18 GMT
Negative Buzz, it was a new untested character for the movies and came out during a time where there was a surge in Asiaphobia in the West. Plus Simu Liu made comments that naturally got twisted by pundits that turned people against him. Being untested is nothing, there's been many new characters in the MCU or DC and don't get negative buzz for it. Any comments weren't wide spread, the casual cinema goer isn't going to know or even care. This new Peter Pan and Wendy has negative buzz. She Hulk had negative buzz. Captain Marvel had negative buzz. Shang Chi never had any substantial negative buzz. But again Web Archive shows that isn't true because Daredevil had a 8.8 score in January 2016 before season 2 came out. It went down with subsequent seasons to the current 8.6. In the end it doesn't even matter, the show was well loved since season 1, whether it became slightly more or less loved over time is besides the point because even after its first season it was always far more well liked than any of these MCU shows. A mere 6.6% of votes for Ms Marvel are 2's and 3's. It's only 4% for Wakanda Forever. That's trivial even if it were the case and people don't really review bomb and then give it a 3. Again this also is besides the point because you can clearly see for Wakanda Forever that 7/10 is the most given score with 6 and 8 either side of it in almost equal part. That does make for a well loved movie or it would skew much higher. When you compare that to The Batman which was considered the best superhero movie last year its most given score is an 8/10 with 9 and 10 close afterwards. So it's easy to see past this review bombing and that people weren't over keen on it especially when the first Black Panther was subject to this issue as well but it has mostly 8/10 with 7/10 straight behind because it was the more well liked movie. Being untested is practically everything these days, have you forgotten how everyone was doom-mongering over GOTG in 2014 and how they were so sure it would bomb royally?
Those new characters didn't have to deal with Asiaphobia.
It had the same negative buzz that those things did.
And after S1 was done but before S2 came out, fans went back and upscaled the votes to augment the rating of the show once they were finished watching the 1st Season in its entirety.
Wakanda Forever still has the negative buzz around it for Shuri and Namor, which brought the score down. The Batman similar had augments in the opposite direction, despite being a boring film.
Wakanda Forever had it harder than the first BP movie, more negative propaganda aimed against it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 10, 2023 19:39:12 GMT
Only the Dark Knight, because everyone involved admits that "Joker" was an INO movie. Well it's true, everyone involved in "Joker" admitted to it. And even then it was just Phoenix's pity award for the last 20 years of getting snubbed.
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Post by scabab on Mar 10, 2023 23:10:09 GMT
Being untested is practically everything these days, have you forgotten how everyone was doom-mongering over GOTG in 2014 and how they were so sure it would bomb royally? Very different scenario as Guardians of the Galaxy was the first of its kind like that for the MCU. Prior to that people knew of Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk and Thor, nobody had ever heard of the GotG. That got doubled down further because it was the movie about the talking tree and racoon so of course people had doubts. Then they had doubts with Ant-Man. By the time Shang Chi came out nobody had such doubts because everything the MCU had done had struck gold from Dr Strange to Captain Marvel. It had nowhere that kind of treatment and any concern of it flopping would largely just be because of covid. Well that's perfectly fine, none of that really changes that the show was well loved. At no point, has Daredevil ever not been a well loved show overall. The only live action show that can compete with it is apparently the also well loved The Punisher Netflix show. Personally I didn't think that much of that show but it's the only show up there with it. It's also not as good as the original which is why it got the inferior score.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 11, 2023 1:35:54 GMT
Being untested is practically everything these days, have you forgotten how everyone was doom-mongering over GOTG in 2014 and how they were so sure it would bomb royally? Very different scenario as Guardians of the Galaxy was the first of its kind like that for the MCU. Prior to that people knew of Iron Man, Captain America, Hulk and Thor, nobody had ever heard of the GotG. That got doubled down further because it was the movie about the talking tree and racoon so of course people had doubts. Then they had doubts with Ant-Man. By the time Shang Chi came out nobody had such doubts because everything the MCU had done had struck gold from Dr Strange to Captain Marvel. It had nowhere that kind of treatment and any concern of it flopping would largely just be because of covid. Well that's perfectly fine, none of that really changes that the show was well loved. At no point, has Daredevil ever not been a well loved show overall. The only live action show that can compete with it is apparently the also well loved The Punisher Netflix show. Personally I didn't think that much of that show but it's the only show up there with it. It's also not as good as the original which is why it got the inferior score. And no one had heard of Shang Chi before 2021. There were complaints about him being too obscure, about it being "Asian Pandering", about how he had no place in the MCU, the usual nonsense.
Never seen the Punisher show, he just doesn't appeal to me. Especially with how the rest of the MCU heroes aren't kill-shy in the first place.
Wakanda Forever's lesser score is because certain people were angry at Shuri and at Namor (a Latino character who isn't a violent thug drug baron).
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Post by politicidal on Mar 12, 2023 16:25:20 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 13, 2023 15:37:03 GMT
i am an idiot, and a lunatic
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