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Post by gadreel on Mar 1, 2023 20:05:53 GMT
Can you explain then why the catholic church has changed it's stance on things after Christ died, I mean he can't change his mind, please also explain the doctrine of papal infallibility. Papal Infallibility does not teach the the Pope sins. Just that the Pope teaches sound Christian doctrine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibilitydo you have a degree in missing the point, Papal infallibility allows the pope to speak as if for god and change church doctrine, which they have done. I am pointing out that your church changes it's mind.
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:07:04 GMT
I fail to see what one has to do with the other (especially since the Catechism of the Catholic Church gave a much stronger condemnation of rape than it did with homosexuality). Im done. Get someone to help you out in real life with this, you are no different in this matter than a German who scoffs at the Jews in 1930's Germany, your implicit acceptance of othering and demonising homosexuals is directly responsible for allowing others to assault and murder them. You should be ashamed of yourself. I've never demonized gays or lesbians. I have simply stated that male & female is the correct type of sexuality. I actually feel bad for people with homosexual leanings, due to the fact that they are wired in the way that they are. I have nothing to be ashamed of.
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:09:30 GMT
Papal Infallibility does not teach the the Pope sins. Just that the Pope teaches sound Christian doctrine. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibilitydo you have a degree in missing the point, Papal infallibility allows the pope to speak as if for god and change church doctrine, which they have done. I am pointing out that your church changes it's mind. The Church doctrine remains, & the Pope speaks in line with Church doctrine.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 1, 2023 20:11:24 GMT
Im done. Get someone to help you out in real life with this, you are no different in this matter than a German who scoffs at the Jews in 1930's Germany, your implicit acceptance of othering and demonising homosexuals is directly responsible for allowing others to assault and murder them. You should be ashamed of yourself. I've never demonized gays or lesbians. I have simply stated that male & female is the correct type of sexuality. I actually feel bad for people with homosexual leanings, due to the fact that they are wired in the way that they are. I have nothing to be ashamed of. 'correct' 'feel bad for' Jesus fuck your stance is abhorrent you make me sick.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 20:13:39 GMT
The Catholic Church has constantly changed for the last 2,000 years ya clown... It is always changing. Priests used to be married. Do you know or care why that changed? Early Catholics used to share contraception advice. It wasn't until the mid 20th century that contraception became an issue. And now it isn't an issue for the vast majority of Catholics who practice contraception again. Catholic Mass is different in every Parish. In some places voodoo aspects are included in Catholic Mass. It's called 'enriching the liturgy' The Catechism isn't a static set of rules. It evolves. It is time, place, and culture dependant, flexible. You just don't get it, at all. Nor do you understand the interplay between the Vatican, the clergy, and the laity. You exist in an ignorant bubble, with your fingers jammed in your ears so as to hear nothing, and your arsehole clenched tight. If you wanted to have a conversation about the shifting evolution of Catholic theology, and social philosophy through time, we could do that... But you aren't interested. It did not, nor has it ever, changed its doctrines. Does Catholic Doctrine Ever Change?
Does Church Teaching Ever Change?Doctrinal Change/Unchanging Doctrine
And while yes, Catholic priests used to marry (in Orthodoxy they still can, unless they are Bishops, etc). However, they had sound reasons for changing that rule. Why Priests Cannot Marry
I can cherry pick self supporting stuff off the interwebs to self-justify what I think as well 👍 Stop mourning God, and start celebrating the true love of Jesus Christ. His yoke and burden are light. He drank, he hung out with prostitutes and sinners. He told you not to judge... Loosen your corset, unpucker your arse, take the poker out of it, and be more Christian. Sure as Our Lord wasn't a miserable bastard like yourself.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 1, 2023 20:19:44 GMT
In your religion.The law of the land is different than your religion. You and your religion DO NOT get to dictate secular law.Edit: "Marriage is between one man & one woman (not related)." Tell that to the Mormons. Okay. Dear Mormons: Marriage is between one man & one woman (not related.Okay, you did that. Now, respond to my response to the original statement: In your religion. The law of the land is different than your religion. You and your religion DO NOT get to dictate secular law.
You really should consider moving to a country where religion rules.
Or, you could just accept that secular law takes precedent in the USA, it doesn't punish other 'sins' under the secular law, so it shouldn't punish this under the law. Churches can ban it for their membership, but the membership of the USA is determined by legal citizenship.
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:20:29 GMT
I've never demonized gays or lesbians. I have simply stated that male & female is the correct type of sexuality. I actually feel bad for people with homosexual leanings, due to the fact that they are wired in the way that they are. I have nothing to be ashamed of. 'correct' 'feel bad for' Jesus fuck your stance is abhorrent you make me sick. gadreel to The Herald Erjen: gadreel to little ol' me: Seems you're no better than The Herald Erjen, eh? Perhaps you should take a good long look in the mirror, gadreel. You are no better than anybody else. Maybe you are the one who is no different than the Germans in Nazi Germany. Have you ever thought about that...?
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:21:44 GMT
Okay. Dear Mormons: Marriage is between one man & one woman (not related.Okay, you did that. Now, respond to my response to the original statement: In your religion. The law of the land is different than your religion. You and your religion DO NOT get to dictate secular law.
You really should consider moving to a country where religion rules.
Or, you could just accept that secular law takes precedent in the USA, it doesn't punish other 'sins' under the secular law, so it shouldn't punish this under the law. Churches can ban it for their membership, but the membership of the USA is determined by legal citizenship.
In case you have never paid any attention, I do not live in the USA.
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:25:57 GMT
I can cherry pick self supporting stuff off the interwebs to self-justify what I think as well 👍 Stop mourning God, and start celebrating the true love of Jesus Christ. His yoke and burden are light. He drank, he hung out with prostitutes and sinners. He told you not to judge... Loosen your corset, unpucker your arse, take the poker out of it, and be more Christian. Sure as Our Lord wasn't a miserable bastard like yourself. Yes, Our Lord Hung out with sinners (are you actually admitting that homosexual acts are sinful, according to Church doctrine???). But, He Did so to Bring them back. He Did that to Save them from Damnation. BTW, what you told The Herald Erjen is incorrect. The devil & Hell is believed in, by the Church. Yes, we also believe in Purgatory as well (which is a very optimistic belief, I am very pleased to say). However, the devil & Hell have never, ever been denied. That is precisely WHY Christ Came to Save us with His Passion, Death, and Resurrection.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 1, 2023 20:31:47 GMT
Okay, you did that. Now, respond to my response to the original statement: In your religion. The law of the land is different than your religion. You and your religion DO NOT get to dictate secular law.
You really should consider moving to a country where religion rules.
Or, you could just accept that secular law takes precedent in the USA, it doesn't punish other 'sins' under the secular law, so it shouldn't punish this under the law. Churches can ban it for their membership, but the membership of the USA is determined by legal citizenship.
In case you have never paid any attention, I do not live in the USA. I know that you are Canadian. So why should you have any say over secular law in the USA? Is gay marriage legal in Canada?
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:34:36 GMT
In case you have never paid any attention, I do not live in the USA. I know that you are Canadian. So why should you have any say over secular law in the USA? Is gay marriage legal in Canada? Yes. I may not have any say on secular law in the USA. I never said that I did. Doesn't mean I do not have free speech.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 20:35:59 GMT
I know that you are Canadian. So why should you have any say over secular law in the USA? Is gay marriage legal in Canada? Yes. I may not have any say on secular law in the USA. I never said that I did. Doesn't mean I do not have free speech. Research shows a large majority of Canadian Catholics support same sex marriage 👍
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:40:25 GMT
Yes. I may not have any say on secular law in the USA. I never said that I did. Doesn't mean I do not have free speech. Research shows a large majority of Canadian Catholics support same sex marriage 👍 Not the practicing ones.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Mar 1, 2023 20:42:43 GMT
I can cherry pick self supporting stuff off the interwebs to self-justify what I think as well 👍 Stop mourning God, and start celebrating the true love of Jesus Christ. His yoke and burden are light. He drank, he hung out with prostitutes and sinners. He told you not to judge... Loosen your corset, unpucker your arse, take the poker out of it, and be more Christian. Sure as Our Lord wasn't a miserable bastard like yourself. Yes, Our Lord Hung out with sinners (are you actually admitting that homosexual acts are sinful, according to Church doctrine???). But, He Did so to Bring them back. He Did that to Save them from Damnation. BTW, what you told The Herald Erjen is incorrect. The devil & Hell is believed in, by the Church. Yes, we also believe in Purgatory as well (which is a very optimistic belief, I am very pleased to say). However, the devil & Hell have never, ever been denied. That is precisely WHY Christ Came to Save us with His Passion, Death, and Resurrection. So... why did Christ wait so long? Why didn't he come to save us back in ancient Egypt? Oh, wait, that was Jehovah, or was it Yahweh... oops, wrong god. That was for the Jews. Why didn't he come to save us when we were hunter/gatherers? When we were worshipping the Sun? When tribes were worshipping Mother Earth and Father Sky? When Aztecs were burying children alive as a sacrifice to their god and cutting their enemies' hearts out while still beating? Asking for a friend...
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 1, 2023 20:43:18 GMT
You can go right to hell. Yes, that's the hell you want people to think doesn't exist. Who do you think you're fooling anyway? A good devout Christian speaks. Jesus weeps. You can go too, sodomite.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 20:44:32 GMT
Research shows a large majority of Canadian Catholics support same sex marriage 👍 Not the practicing ones. Sorry... The overwhelming majority of Catholics in Canada, the US, the UK, Ireland, and all across Europe support gay marriage... That's not just the laity, but Priests and Bishops as well. Who do you think you are in your diseased brain, to try and pretend that you are a better Catholic than everyone else. You should stick with your homophobia and serial killers fetishes.
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:52:21 GMT
Sorry... The overwhelming majority of Catholics in Canada, the US, the UK, Ireland, and all across Europe support gay marriage... That's not just the laity, but Priests and Bishops as well. Who do you think you are in your diseased brain, to try and pretend that you are a better Catholic than everyone else. You should stick with your homophobia and serial killers fetishes. No, the overwhelming non-practicing or devout ones. A perfect example is Quebec Canada. While it is still predominantly Catholic (historically a very devout Catholic province; the beauty of its Churches attest to it), it is not so much today, devout.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 1, 2023 20:53:04 GMT
Sorry... The overwhelming majority of Catholics in Canada, the US, the UK, Ireland, and all across Europe support gay marriage... That's not just the laity, but Priests and Bishops as well. Who do you think you are in your diseased brain, to try and pretend that you are a better Catholic than everyone else. You should stick with your homophobia and serial killers fetishes. I am pretty sure it's the scots who dont drink whiskey. The only way they can cope with the cognitive dissonance that they are the last clingers to a horrible wrodl view is to say those of their group that have evolved are actually no longer part of the group
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Post by clusium on Mar 1, 2023 20:54:34 GMT
Yes, Our Lord Hung out with sinners (are you actually admitting that homosexual acts are sinful, according to Church doctrine???). But, He Did so to Bring them back. He Did that to Save them from Damnation. BTW, what you told The Herald Erjen is incorrect. The devil & Hell is believed in, by the Church. Yes, we also believe in Purgatory as well (which is a very optimistic belief, I am very pleased to say). However, the devil & Hell have never, ever been denied. That is precisely WHY Christ Came to Save us with His Passion, Death, and Resurrection. So... why did Christ wait so long? Why didn't he come to save us back in ancient Egypt? Oh, wait, that was Jehovah, or was it Yahweh... oops, wrong god. That was for the Jews. Why didn't he come to save us when we were hunter/gatherers? When we were worshipping the Sun? When tribes were worshipping Mother Earth and Father Sky? When Aztecs were burying children alive as a sacrifice to their god and cutting their enemies' hearts out while still beating? Asking for a friend... Our Father Waited in good time to Send His Son. His first children - Adam & Eve - had already disobeyed Him, so He Had to Set forth the Plans to Bring the New Eve (the Blessed Virgin Mary) to have the New Adam (the Lord Jesus Christ).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2023 21:02:49 GMT
So... why did Christ wait so long? Why didn't he come to save us back in ancient Egypt? Oh, wait, that was Jehovah, or was it Yahweh... oops, wrong god. That was for the Jews. Why didn't he come to save us when we were hunter/gatherers? When we were worshipping the Sun? When tribes were worshipping Mother Earth and Father Sky? When Aztecs were burying children alive as a sacrifice to their god and cutting their enemies' hearts out while still beating? Asking for a friend... Our Father Waited in good time to Send His Son. His first children - Adam & Eve - had already disobeyed Him, so He Had to Set forth the Plans to Bring the New Eve (the Blessed Virgin Mary) to have the New Adam (the Lord Jesus Christ).
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