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Post by Isapop on Mar 6, 2023 23:47:35 GMT
That's why I began with "An earnest Christian (of some variety or other) might answer thusly". there is always a counter argument, I tend to agree people can always say something (look at erjen and arlon) I am not sure how valuable that is. I think it's only valuable when it helps you in seeing weaknesses, if any, in your own arguments. And, thus, you set about strengthening them.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 7, 2023 0:25:40 GMT
Your first mistake was assuming that because qualified people refrain from doing something anyone can be qualified even if they cannot do that thing. Nothing I said even implies such an assumption.And again, no honest reader of what I said would imagine I'm assuming any such silly thing. And now, after having multiple chances to do so, you still can't offer a single reason why same-sex couples are unable to, or must be prevented from having the same state contract called legal marriage that is granted to opposite-sex couples.Completely bonkers! If I love the status quo, I would have joined in the opposition to legal marriage for same-sex couples, since excluding them was the status quo for our entire history until recently [?].
If you agree that people marrying without any obvious plan to have children in no way suggests people who cannot have children should also be allowed to marry ...
And if you agree that same sex couples "interested" in raising children does not by itself qualify them to marry ...
And if you agree that the current laws might be flawed ...
Then my work here is done. Have a great life.
Should you disagree on any of these points I suspect your hesitance to articulate exactly what you do mean could prevent me from being any further assistance.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 7, 2023 0:28:21 GMT
Nothing I said even implies such an assumption.And again, no honest reader of what I said would imagine I'm assuming any such silly thing. And now, after having multiple chances to do so, you still can't offer a single reason why same-sex couples are unable to, or must be prevented from having the same state contract called legal marriage that is granted to opposite-sex couples.Completely bonkers! If I love the status quo, I would have joined in the opposition to legal marriage for same-sex couples, since excluding them was the status quo for our entire history until recently [?].
If you agree that people marrying without any obvious plan to have children in no way suggests people who cannot have children should also be allowed to marry ...
And if you agree that same sex couples "interested" in raising children does not by itself qualify them to marry ...
And if you agree that the current laws might be flawed ...
Then my work here is done. Have a great life.
Should you disagree on any of these points I suspect your hesitance to articulate exactly what you do mean could prevent me from being any further assistance.
Honestly I dont think that is what is limiting your ability to assist
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 7, 2023 0:35:59 GMT
If you agree that people marrying without any obvious plan to have children in no way suggests people who cannot have children should also be allowed to marry ...
And if you agree that same sex couples "interested" in raising children does not by itself qualify them to marry ...
And if you agree that the current laws might be flawed ...
Then my work here is done. Have a great life.
Should you disagree on any of these points I suspect your hesitance to articulate exactly what you do mean could prevent me from being any further assistance.
Honestly I dont think that is what is limiting your ability to assist
And what might be limiting yours?
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Post by gadreel on Mar 7, 2023 1:28:55 GMT
Honestly I dont think that is what is limiting your ability to assist
And what might be limiting yours?
Mostly a lack of caring at all. Luckily I care about my students and find I am able to assist them to much higher standards than the national average.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 7, 2023 12:16:30 GMT
And what might be limiting yours?
... ... much higher standards than the national average.
That can be seen as a rather low bar.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 7, 2023 19:03:34 GMT
... ... much higher standards than the national average.
That can be seen as a rather low bar.
Oh sorry, I come from a country where the education system is actually quite good.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 7, 2023 23:42:41 GMT
That can be seen as a rather low bar.
Oh sorry, I come from a country where the education system is actually quite good.
Who else thinks so?
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Post by gadreel on Mar 8, 2023 0:32:32 GMT
Oh sorry, I come from a country where the education system is actually quite good.
Who else thinks so?
Most of the rest of the world, 7th best in rankings and our tertiary qualifications are highly rated worldwide.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 8, 2023 4:10:54 GMT
Most of the rest of the world, 7th best in rankings and our tertiary qualifications are highly rated worldwide.
Recently on Facebook there was a discussion about the "greatest" country. My comment there was that it would seem to depend much on which criteria are used to measure "greatness."
So my question here is 7th best in rankings in what? What is it you do? Or what is it you think you do?
It always amazes me when people discuss what is the best form of government that they fail to mention for which country since what is the best form of government could be different for different countries. What works best for fishermen might not work best for farmers and vice versa for example.
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Post by Isapop on Mar 8, 2023 14:09:20 GMT
It always amazes me when people discuss what is the best form of government that they fail to mention for which country since what is the best form of government could be different for different countries. What works best for fishermen might not work best for farmers and vice versa for example.
They "fail" to mention that because your example doesn't bear on a discussion of the best form of government, but only on the best government policies.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 8, 2023 14:50:45 GMT
It always amazes me when people discuss what is the best form of government that they fail to mention for which country since what is the best form of government could be different for different countries. What works best for fishermen might not work best for farmers and vice versa for example.
They "fail" to mention that because your example doesn't bear on a discussion of the best form of government, but only on the best government policies.
You weren't there ... ...
... ... or much of anyplace else it seems.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 8, 2023 19:35:58 GMT
Most of the rest of the world, 7th best in rankings and our tertiary qualifications are highly rated worldwide.
Recently on Facebook there was a discussion about the "greatest" country. My comment there was that it would seem to depend much on which criteria are used to measure "greatness."
So my question here is 7th best in rankings in what? What is it you do? Or what is it you think you do?
It always amazes me when people discuss what is the best form of government that they fail to mention for which country since what is the best form of government could be different for different countries. What works best for fishermen might not work best for farmers and vice versa for example.
Education, you know the context of our conversation? Clearly I am a teacher, I feel like that was patently obvious. Fail to see the relevance here, I know what my job is. We are not talking about governments, you responded to my dig at you challenging whether I was able to assist people in understanding. I have zero idea why you chose to make this a conversation about governments. I feel like every country has fishermen and farmers, so probably the government needs to look at governing both? Again though not really relevant in the context of the conversation, or even important since it does not really affect the choice of governmental system (assuming we were actually having a conversation about that, which we are not)
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 8, 2023 20:42:46 GMT
Recently on Facebook there was a discussion about the "greatest" country. My comment there was that it would seem to depend much on which criteria are used to measure "greatness." So my question here is 7th best in rankings in what? What is it you do? Or what is it you think you do? It always amazes me when people discuss what is the best form of government that they fail to mention for which country since what is the best form of government could be different for different countries. What works best for fishermen might not work best for farmers and vice versa for example.
Education, you know the context of our conversation? Would that be the same "education" people are fleeing to home school their children? I heard about that. That is unsettling. The world sure could use some educators with better hold on their authority. I really don't like it when authorities mess up. Where were you aside from being "7th"?
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Post by gadreel on Mar 8, 2023 22:49:37 GMT
Education, you know the context of our conversation? Would that be the same "education" people are fleeing to home school their children? I heard about that. That is unsettling. The world sure could use some educators with better hold on their authority. I really don't like it when authorities mess up. Where were you aside from being "7th"? Nice hyperbole, however the stats show that in 1998 there were about 5000 kids being home schooled, in 2019 about 6000, hardly fleeing. Maybe it differs in a country that has a bad education system. Teaching from 'Authority' is how they did it in the 50's, Teachers these days are considerably more connected with their students. Yeah I am sure it hurts, not 100% sure of the relevance here. Where was I? Teaching in class, not really sure what you are driving at, although I am convinced its gonna be hilariously inept.
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 8, 2023 23:30:17 GMT
Perhaps you are assuming everybody who wants to flee does or can. There are enormous complications. Sometimes people depend on their "writing on the wall" to make their point.
Teaching from authority is how they always do it in elementary school since those students have no foundation base of knowledge from which to question anything. Teaching from authority is what you are doing right here, right now. You get away with it (as much as you) do because some go through their whole life in elementary school mode. I am not taking it though.
Why am I not surprised? Not that anyone should base their world view on television, but do you have a television? May I expect to know what real life school that is and what your real life name is?
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Post by gadreel on Mar 8, 2023 23:44:28 GMT
Perhaps you are assuming everybody who wants to flee does or can. There are enormous complications. Sometimes people depend on their "writing on the wall" to make their point.
Teaching from authority is how they always do it in elementary school since those students have no foundation base of knowledge from which to question anything. Teaching from authority is what you are doing right here, right now. You get away with it (as much as you) do because some go through their whole life in elementary school mode. I am not taking it though.
Why am I not surprised? Not that anyone should base their world view on television, but do you have a television? May I expect to know what real life school that is and what your real life name is? Wow your quoting is really obscure Here the support for homeschooling is huge, and well resourced, mostly due to stations needing to homeschool their kids, the figures I cited are from a masters education thesis for this country, so I am not really assuming anything. We dont have elementary school, I can tell you in primary school here is it not from authority either. I am not teaching from authority here, I am responding to your questions, although I am wondering why as you seem incapable of understanding. You should probably go back to elementary school, I have read your site. Why would either of those things be of any importance? I am not even sure what this response means as you quoted yourself, yes I own a TV, I do not watch broadcast TV
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 9, 2023 0:34:16 GMT
[1] Here the support for homeschooling is huge, and well resourced, mostly due to stations needing to homeschool their kids, the figures I cited are from a masters education thesis for this country, so I am not really assuming anything. [2] We dont have elementary school, I can tell you in primary school here is it not from authority either. I am not teaching from authority here, I am responding to your questions, although I am wondering why as you seem incapable of understanding. You should probably go back to elementary school, I have read your site. [3] Why would either of those things [real life name and school] be of any importance? [1] By "enormous complications" I was not referring to the basic information or the (perhaps problematic) texts.
[2] Just a friendly reminder how this exchange began, Isapop claimed that because some heterosexuals marry without any immediate or long term plans to have children, marriage was "not about" children. When I explained that was a "non sequitur," he then made some claim "interest" in a topic was a "qualification" of some kind. When I explained that is also a non sequitur, his position on all of it suddenly became obscure, surprise, surprise. Then you jumped in obviously not equipped to shed any light of any kind.
[3] A person might naturally wonder why you are not willing to stake your reputation (if you really have one) on your comments about me. Perhaps you know some person willing to stake his or her reputation who might assist me with these issues. I obviously do not and need not trust you.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 9, 2023 0:43:18 GMT
[1] Here the support for homeschooling is huge, and well resourced, mostly due to stations needing to homeschool their kids, the figures I cited are from a masters education thesis for this country, so I am not really assuming anything. [2] We dont have elementary school, I can tell you in primary school here is it not from authority either. I am not teaching from authority here, I am responding to your questions, although I am wondering why as you seem incapable of understanding. You should probably go back to elementary school, I have read your site. [3] Why would either of those things [real life name and school] be of any importance? [1] By "enormous complications" I was not referring to the basic information or the (perhaps problematic) texts.
[2] Just a friendly reminder how this exchange began, Isapop claimed that because some heterosexuals marry without any immediate or long term plans to have children, marriage was "not about" children. When I explained that was a "non sequitur," he then made some claim "interest" in a topic was a "qualification" of some kind. When I explained that is also a non sequitur, his position on all of it suddenly became obscure, surprise, surprise. Then you jumped in obviously not equipped to shed any light of any kind.
[3] A person might naturally wonder why you are not willing to stake your reputation (if you really have one) on your comments about me. Perhaps you know some person willing to stake his or her reputation who might assist me with these issues. I obviously do not and need not trust you.
You are clearly incapable of a coherent conversation, and since your linked in it public I took the opportunity to see your qualifications and I can tell you right now, you are not qualified to critique me in this matter. take care
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Post by Arlon10 on Mar 9, 2023 0:59:45 GMT
[1] By "enormous complications" I was not referring to the basic information or the (perhaps problematic) texts.
[2] Just a friendly reminder how this exchange began, Isapop claimed that because some heterosexuals marry without any immediate or long term plans to have children, marriage was "not about" children. When I explained that was a "non sequitur," he then made some claim "interest" in a topic was a "qualification" of some kind. When I explained that is also a non sequitur, his position on all of it suddenly became obscure, surprise, surprise. Then you jumped in obviously not equipped to shed any light of any kind.
[3] A person might naturally wonder why you are not willing to stake your reputation (if you really have one) on your comments about me. Perhaps you know some person willing to stake his or her reputation who might assist me with these issues. I obviously do not and need not trust you.
You are clearly incapable of a coherent conversation, and since your linked in it public I took the opportunity to see your qualifications and I can tell you right now, you are not qualified to critique me in this matter.
take care
You can't tell anyone anything here. What you can do elsewhere we might never know here.
Just so you know, zero people with any credentials are willing to stake their reputation on rebuking me. Anyone with credentials, however honestly earned, should take note of that.
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