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Post by Lux on Mar 25, 2023 13:21:42 GMT
Don't be an illiterate if you and thousands of others worked endlessly to release something for audiences in a specific format and then have someone say that your effort all your hard work isn't worthy to be put on display that would still be an insult. No he didn't swear at them to their faces if that's the only thing your brain can assess as a putdown. Playing stupid should be a crime. But Scorsese didn't say Marvel movies aren't unworthy, he says there is a place for them in the motion picture landscape, he feels there should be more diversity in the industry and the theater going experience. You just said that he didn't view it as a cinematic product that's an insult since the thousands of hours were spent by hundreds of cast and crew specifically for that purpose.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 25, 2023 18:44:46 GMT
But Scorsese didn't say Marvel movies aren't unworthy, he says there is a place for them in the motion picture landscape, he feels there should be more diversity in the industry and the theater going experience. You just said that he didn't view it as a cinematic product that's an insult since the thousands of hours were spent by hundreds of cast and crew specifically for that purpose. "Cinema" has come to mean different things to people since it was coined in the 1890's, particularly by filmmakers and film enthusiasts who use it to categorize the craftmanship and target audience of the work. Because it has different meanings, if one is to say all motion pictures are cinema - then they are right, if one believes there is a distinction between motion pictures, i.e. films and movies, then they are right as well. Scorsese isn't calling the work by hundreds of people worthless or dismissing their talents in a negative way (nice attempt at appeal to pity by the way). From his editorial, linkI would agree with him for the most part, there should be more diversity in the marketplace, once in a while you will see a smaller, low energy, and unique motion picture do well, but nine times out of 10 most of what is put out as "the movie of the year" is a very loud comedy, an effects and stunt choregraphed heavy extravaganza, or a horror movie that plays heavily into big screams. A lot of what gets placed on streaming services probably would have found better life on the big screen had they been made 10 years ago or so.
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Post by Lux on Mar 25, 2023 19:15:30 GMT
You just said that he didn't view it as a cinematic product that's an insult since the thousands of hours were spent by hundreds of cast and crew specifically for that purpose. "Cinema" has come to mean different things to people since it was coined in the 1890's, particularly by filmmakers and film enthusiasts who use it to categorize the craftmanship and target audience of the work. Because it has different meanings, if one is to say all motion pictures are cinema - then they are right, if one believes there is a distinction between motion pictures, i.e. films and movies, then they are right as well. Scorsese isn't calling the work by hundreds of people worthless or dismissing their talents in a negative way (nice attempt at appeal to pity by the way). From his editorial, linkI would agree with him for the most part, there should be more diversity in the marketplace, once in a while you will see a smaller, low energy, and unique motion picture do well, but nine times out of 10 most of what is put out as "the movie of the year" is a very loud comedy, an effects and stunt choregraphed heavy extravaganza, or a horror movie that plays heavily into big screams. A lot of what gets placed on streaming services probably would have found better life on the big screen had they been made 10 years ago or so. Funny thing is the he says had he come of age later... Well he still hasn't come of age mentally because he doesn't understand that it's to do with demand there's no conspiracy to boycott films about middle aged men from New York.
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Post by Lux on Mar 25, 2023 19:16:06 GMT
You just said that he didn't view it as a cinematic product that's an insult since the thousands of hours were spent by hundreds of cast and crew specifically for that purpose. "Cinema" has come to mean different things to people since it was coined in the 1890's, particularly by filmmakers and film enthusiasts who use it to categorize the craftmanship and target audience of the work. Because it has different meanings, if one is to say all motion pictures are cinema - then they are right, if one believes there is a distinction between motion pictures, i.e. films and movies, then they are right as well. Scorsese isn't calling the work by hundreds of people worthless or dismissing their talents in a negative way (nice attempt at appeal to pity by the way). From his editorial, linkI would agree with him for the most part, there should be more diversity in the marketplace, once in a while you will see a smaller, low energy, and unique motion picture do well, but nine times out of 10 most of what is put out as "the movie of the year" is a very loud comedy, an effects and stunt choregraphed heavy extravaganza, or a horror movie that plays heavily into big screams. A lot of what gets placed on streaming services probably would have found better life on the big screen had they been made 10 years ago or so. Funny thing is that he says had he come of age later... Well he still hasn't come of age mentally because he doesn't understand that it's to do with demand there's no conspiracy to boycott films about middle aged men from New York.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2023 0:02:11 GMT
Not gone to court over anything truly damaging, because no one was willing to charge him with anything truly reputation damaging.
It's the overall response his statements created that annoy me, he "opened the floodgates" so to speak and then Coppola and other outdated old folks couldn't shut their yaps either. It even became a joke when we got stuff like "The Ghost of Orson Welles came back to decry the MCU". First it was the Nolanites who hated the MCU for existing and then the FoX-Men fans who couldn't back off and then when things calmed down Scorsese had to make them feel vindicated.
Not what he considers cinema = He vindicated the hordes of snobs who were just waiting for their chance to write off the entire MCU and all the hard work that's gone into it. Scorsese is jealous, James Gunn called him out on it.
Yeah, and what do you think the response would've been if he had? I doubt he'd have gotten away with writing off Jaws like that.
The more you avoid my questions and re-use this rhetoric the more it appears your argument is more rooted in emotion than that of logic - You seem to have difficulty in accepting the reality of the situation and must find a reason to satisfy your ego. That you have a degree in psychology and have practiced it but fail to realize this only makes me raise an eyebrow and question your authenticity. Then your issue should be with them, and not Scorsese. Scorsese didn't tell those people to use his words as fuel for their online trolling, he only gave his honest opinion about where he stands on the matter of how he views the work - which was that that they are well-made and entertaining, but not the sorts of things he would hold in high regard, or he would be in line to buy the first ticket for. He thinks there is definitely a place for motion pictures that are spectacle driven, and that filmmakers shouldn't be feel threatened by it, but the mainstream media landscape should be more diverse, and theatres should try to play smaller and different kinds of pictures - I can understand that. For me, there have been some big movies that play in three to four different auditoriums at my local theater, I don't usually mind if it's something that I want to see, but there are definitely more smaller and independent movies that I would like to see but the places showing them are too far away from where I live. Case in point, last spring my theater played Doctor Strange 2 in three auditoriums, but none for another multiverse set film, Everything Everywhere All at Once. It eventually came to my theater, but it was in the winter season and other things in my life had to take interest so I couldn't make the time. I love my superhero cinema, but sometimes when I go to the theater, I am not looking for it to be like going to the Superbowl. Once again, the problem is internet trolls, not Scorsese. Scorsese gave his honest opinion, the press and social media blew it up, and he elaborated in an editorial piece. He thinks these kinds of movies are well-made and beautiful, and there is room for them in the marketplace, he just feels there needs to be more variety in the landscape where audiences will have different viewing experiences and different kinds of ideas can be expressed to the viewer. I would also agree, I think for every Avengers movie a theater should also have a Tár or a Nomadland. The consumer themselves should also understand that not every picture they see will offer the same kind of experience as the other, when you assume one will deliver the same impact you may view the work in the wrong lens. I remember seeing The American in 2010 and not liking it because I was expecting a more action-driven picture, a bit more grounded than the previous film I had seen that day, which was Robert Rodriguez's Machete. Years later, I saw it again, and my view on it changed, and I wished I had seen it then how I had in that now because I would have appreciated it more. I do not think Scorsese would be jealous of Marvel Studios, as mentioned before he is one of the best regarded filmmakers in American pop culture, and at 80 he's still going pretty strong considering most filmmakers half his age already have hit their peak and may not stay up there or get back to it. Also, the kinds of movies he makes are not even in the same style of picture as a Marvel release, absolutely different and cannot be assumed they play for the same exact type of audience. And, while Gunn did criticize some of what Scorsese had said, he did like other things he said as well and he still much admires him as an artist. I'm fairly certain Scorsese like Jaws, he's a close friend of Spielberg and was in frequent conversation with him during the making of that movie. You're not getting how it would've been too much trouble to smear Scorsese for something he was indirectly responsible for, as opposed to Jacksons' direct actions.
He said it, he opened the floodgates. It goes back to him.
Take your issues up with the businessmen in charge of your theater then.
They wouldn't have been able to blow it up if he hadn't said anything.
Gunn had every right to talk back, despite certain folks thinking Scorsese cannot be questioned.
So double standards then. Not surprising from an outdated old man.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 27, 2023 3:18:49 GMT
"Cinema" has come to mean different things to people since it was coined in the 1890's, particularly by filmmakers and film enthusiasts who use it to categorize the craftmanship and target audience of the work. Because it has different meanings, if one is to say all motion pictures are cinema - then they are right, if one believes there is a distinction between motion pictures, i.e. films and movies, then they are right as well. Scorsese isn't calling the work by hundreds of people worthless or dismissing their talents in a negative way (nice attempt at appeal to pity by the way). From his editorial, linkI would agree with him for the most part, there should be more diversity in the marketplace, once in a while you will see a smaller, low energy, and unique motion picture do well, but nine times out of 10 most of what is put out as "the movie of the year" is a very loud comedy, an effects and stunt choregraphed heavy extravaganza, or a horror movie that plays heavily into big screams. A lot of what gets placed on streaming services probably would have found better life on the big screen had they been made 10 years ago or so. Funny thing is that he says had he come of age later... Well he still hasn't come of age mentally because he doesn't understand that it's to do with demand there's no conspiracy to boycott films about middle aged men from New York. It would seem you are missing the argument Scorsese is making, he is arguing that if you can have a more diverse media landscape if more variety is in the theatrically released motion picture marketplace (giving smaller works the same space alongside the more spectacle driven pictures). Think of it this way - if a store only offers one brand of milk, bread, and eggs, the customer will have no other choice but to invest their money and time into them. They might satisfy the costumer, but in the long run they may grow tired of it and wish there were more options on sale, but they don't really want to travel too far for something different because they would like it available closer to home. If the motion picture landscape is nothing but spectacle driven features the risk is argued that the average consumer will either only see the movie theater as the audio-visual equivalent of an amusement park or get the impression there is nothing else to offer for them as entertainment if they're tired of popcorn munchers.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 27, 2023 3:58:41 GMT
The more you avoid my questions and re-use this rhetoric the more it appears your argument is more rooted in emotion than that of logic - You seem to have difficulty in accepting the reality of the situation and must find a reason to satisfy your ego. That you have a degree in psychology and have practiced it but fail to realize this only makes me raise an eyebrow and question your authenticity. Then your issue should be with them, and not Scorsese. Scorsese didn't tell those people to use his words as fuel for their online trolling, he only gave his honest opinion about where he stands on the matter of how he views the work - which was that that they are well-made and entertaining, but not the sorts of things he would hold in high regard, or he would be in line to buy the first ticket for. He thinks there is definitely a place for motion pictures that are spectacle driven, and that filmmakers shouldn't be feel threatened by it, but the mainstream media landscape should be more diverse, and theatres should try to play smaller and different kinds of pictures - I can understand that. For me, there have been some big movies that play in three to four different auditoriums at my local theater, I don't usually mind if it's something that I want to see, but there are definitely more smaller and independent movies that I would like to see but the places showing them are too far away from where I live. Case in point, last spring my theater played Doctor Strange 2 in three auditoriums, but none for another multiverse set film, Everything Everywhere All at Once. It eventually came to my theater, but it was in the winter season and other things in my life had to take interest so I couldn't make the time. I love my superhero cinema, but sometimes when I go to the theater, I am not looking for it to be like going to the Superbowl. Once again, the problem is internet trolls, not Scorsese. Scorsese gave his honest opinion, the press and social media blew it up, and he elaborated in an editorial piece. He thinks these kinds of movies are well-made and beautiful, and there is room for them in the marketplace, he just feels there needs to be more variety in the landscape where audiences will have different viewing experiences and different kinds of ideas can be expressed to the viewer. I would also agree, I think for every Avengers movie a theater should also have a Tár or a Nomadland. The consumer themselves should also understand that not every picture they see will offer the same kind of experience as the other, when you assume one will deliver the same impact you may view the work in the wrong lens. I remember seeing The American in 2010 and not liking it because I was expecting a more action-driven picture, a bit more grounded than the previous film I had seen that day, which was Robert Rodriguez's Machete. Years later, I saw it again, and my view on it changed, and I wished I had seen it then how I had in that now because I would have appreciated it more. I do not think Scorsese would be jealous of Marvel Studios, as mentioned before he is one of the best regarded filmmakers in American pop culture, and at 80 he's still going pretty strong considering most filmmakers half his age already have hit their peak and may not stay up there or get back to it. Also, the kinds of movies he makes are not even in the same style of picture as a Marvel release, absolutely different and cannot be assumed they play for the same exact type of audience. And, while Gunn did criticize some of what Scorsese had said, he did like other things he said as well and he still much admires him as an artist. I'm fairly certain Scorsese like Jaws, he's a close friend of Spielberg and was in frequent conversation with him during the making of that movie. You're not getting how it would've been too much trouble to smear Scorsese for something he was indirectly responsible for, as opposed to Jacksons' direct actions.
He said it, he opened the floodgates. It goes back to him.
Take your issues up with the businessmen in charge of your theater then.
They wouldn't have been able to blow it up if he hadn't said anything.
Gunn had every right to talk back, despite certain folks thinking Scorsese cannot be questioned.
So double standards then. Not surprising from an outdated old man.
It looks like that you have furthered my suspicion that your argument is more rooted in emotion than of logic, and that when you said you had a degree in psychology and practiced it, it was not a sincere statement. He was asked his opinion about the movies by an interviewer during the promotion for a work he was involved in, and he gave his response. People online were upset by his comment, and he wrote an editorial to clarify and to expand his statement. He cannot be at fault for what some screwballs online do as he wasn't encouraging their behavior, and even if Scorsese never commented on Marvel movies there would still be, as you have supported, a number of people trolling on media and discussion boards related to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. These kind of internet trolls won't disappear overnight, so the best advice I would give is to just ignore them - blocking and muting is possible in most spaces on the internet. That might benefit my local theater, but not on the scale of the marketplace which my argument was talking about - I feel smaller and different kinds of movies should be given as much opportunity to be seen as any big budget, spectacle driven work at any theater. When you have only one kind of movie playing and little else, the variety of experiences to have in the theater are few. Where did I say James Gunn didn't have the right to criticize Scorsese? I said while Gunn disagreed with him on some things he agreed on others and still values him highly as a filmmaker. The impression you gave was that Scorsese wouldn't criticize something like Jaws out of concern for pushback by his peers in the entertainment industry, to which I responded that Scorsese likes that film I provided additional information that he is a close friend of Steven Spielberg and was in contact throughout the production of the film. Your conclusion that because Scorsese doesn't think highly of Marvel movies must mean that he must not be fond of any spectacle driven motion picture is complete fallacy, and inaccurate as Scorsese never said he hates them and despises their existence.
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Post by Lux on Mar 27, 2023 4:06:34 GMT
Funny thing is that he says had he come of age later... Well he still hasn't come of age mentally because he doesn't understand that it's to do with demand there's no conspiracy to boycott films about middle aged men from New York. It would seem you are missing the argument Scorsese is making, he is arguing that if you can have a more diverse media landscape if more variety is in the theatrically released motion picture marketplace (giving smaller works the same space alongside the more spectacle driven pictures). Think of it this way - if a store only offers one brand of milk, bread, and eggs, the customer will have no other choice but to invest their money and time into them. They might satisfy the costumer, but in the long run they may grow tired of it and wish there were more options on sale, but they don't really want to travel too far for something different because they would like it available closer to home. If the motion picture landscape is nothing but spectacle driven features the risk is argued that the average consumer will either only see the movie theater as the audio-visual equivalent of an amusement park or get the impression there is nothing else to offer for them as entertainment if they're tired of popcorn munchers. The movie Babylon starring Margot Robbie, Whale starring Brendan Fraser, a movie with actress Riseborough playing a crackhead, a whodunnit starring Sam Rockwell and romantic comedy starring George Clooney and Julia Roberts were all released within the last year and again the evidence just doesn't agree with what you and Martin Scorsese are saying about a lack of variety in cinemas.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 27, 2023 4:16:21 GMT
It would seem you are missing the argument Scorsese is making, he is arguing that if you can have a more diverse media landscape if more variety is in the theatrically released motion picture marketplace (giving smaller works the same space alongside the more spectacle driven pictures). Think of it this way - if a store only offers one brand of milk, bread, and eggs, the customer will have no other choice but to invest their money and time into them. They might satisfy the costumer, but in the long run they may grow tired of it and wish there were more options on sale, but they don't really want to travel too far for something different because they would like it available closer to home. If the motion picture landscape is nothing but spectacle driven features the risk is argued that the average consumer will either only see the movie theater as the audio-visual equivalent of an amusement park or get the impression there is nothing else to offer for them as entertainment if they're tired of popcorn munchers. The movie Babylon starring Margot Robbie, Whale starring Brendan Fraser, a movie with actress Riseborough playing a crackhead, a whodunnit starring Sam Rockwell and romantic comedy starring George Clooney and Julia Roberts were all released within the last year and again the evidence just doesn't agree with what you and Martin Scorsese are saying about a lack of variety in cinemas. My local cineplex didn't play films featuring Andrea Riseborough from last year outside of Amsterdam, it didn't play The Whale, either. See How They Run was only there for a week and a half and it left. Babylon and Ticket to Paradise were played for an adequate duration though. Even so, four pictures is not enough of a variety.
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Post by Lux on Mar 27, 2023 4:23:40 GMT
The movie Babylon starring Margot Robbie, Whale starring Brendan Fraser, a movie with actress Riseborough playing a crackhead, a whodunnit starring Sam Rockwell and romantic comedy starring George Clooney and Julia Roberts were all released within the last year and again the evidence just doesn't agree with what you and Martin Scorsese are saying about a lack of variety in cinemas. My local cineplex didn't play films featuring Andrea Riseborough from last year outside of Amsterdam, it didn't play The Whale, either. See How They Run was only there for a week and a half and it left. Babylon and Ticket to Paradise were played for an adequate duration though. Even so, four pictures is not enough of a variety. That's something you'll need to discuss with Cineplex they're in business to make money. What type of town do you live in?
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Post by Lux on Mar 27, 2023 4:32:17 GMT
The movie Babylon starring Margot Robbie, Whale starring Brendan Fraser, a movie with actress Riseborough playing a crackhead, a whodunnit starring Sam Rockwell and romantic comedy starring George Clooney and Julia Roberts were all released within the last year and again the evidence just doesn't agree with what you and Martin Scorsese are saying about a lack of variety in cinemas. My local cineplex didn't play films featuring Andrea Riseborough from last year outside of Amsterdam, it didn't play The Whale, either. See How They Run was only there for a week and a half and it left. Babylon and Ticket to Paradise were played for an adequate duration though. Even so, four pictures is not enough of a variety. It is enough of a variety when you had 3 Marvel films and one DC film released within last year to your four possibly more than that non blockbuster films.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 27, 2023 12:15:49 GMT
You're not getting how it would've been too much trouble to smear Scorsese for something he was indirectly responsible for, as opposed to Jacksons' direct actions.
He said it, he opened the floodgates. It goes back to him.
Take your issues up with the businessmen in charge of your theater then.
They wouldn't have been able to blow it up if he hadn't said anything.
Gunn had every right to talk back, despite certain folks thinking Scorsese cannot be questioned.
So double standards then. Not surprising from an outdated old man.
It looks like that you have furthered my suspicion that your argument is more rooted in emotion than of logic, and that when you said you had a degree in psychology and practiced it, it was not a sincere statement. He was asked his opinion about the movies by an interviewer during the promotion for a work he was involved in, and he gave his response. People online were upset by his comment, and he wrote an editorial to clarify and to expand his statement. He cannot be at fault for what some screwballs online do as he wasn't encouraging their behavior, and even if Scorsese never commented on Marvel movies there would still be, as you have supported, a number of people trolling on media and discussion boards related to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. These kind of internet trolls won't disappear overnight, so the best advice I would give is to just ignore them - blocking and muting is possible in most spaces on the internet. That might benefit my local theater, but not on the scale of the marketplace which my argument was talking about - I feel smaller and different kinds of movies should be given as much opportunity to be seen as any big budget, spectacle driven work at any theater. When you have only one kind of movie playing and little else, the variety of experiences to have in the theater are few. Where did I say James Gunn didn't have the right to criticize Scorsese? I said while Gunn disagreed with him on some things he agreed on others and still values him highly as a filmmaker. The impression you gave was that Scorsese wouldn't criticize something like Jaws out of concern for pushback by his peers in the entertainment industry, to which I responded that Scorsese likes that film I provided additional information that he is a close friend of Steven Spielberg and was in contact throughout the production of the film. Your conclusion that because Scorsese doesn't think highly of Marvel movies must mean that he must not be fond of any spectacle driven motion picture is complete fallacy, and inaccurate as Scorsese never said he hates them and despises their existence. Oh it's a real degree, I'm just fully aware of how much more trouble it would've been to try and do anything to Scorsese compared to Jackson.
He should've known what kind of reaction he'd get from saying something like that. He can't be that out of touch and clueless if he was really a Master Filmmaker.
Those Trolls would be toothless if he hadn't vindicated them.
Again, take that up with the people running the Theaters. Small Indie things always get less of a release, it's the nature of the business.
It doesn't mean Scorsese is untouchable, which certain people think he is.
So he's friends with Spielberg, so he wouldn't dare do anything to antagonize him. Meaning he lacks integrity.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 28, 2023 4:00:23 GMT
My local cineplex didn't play films featuring Andrea Riseborough from last year outside of Amsterdam, it didn't play The Whale, either. See How They Run was only there for a week and a half and it left. Babylon and Ticket to Paradise were played for an adequate duration though. Even so, four pictures is not enough of a variety. That's something you'll need to discuss with Cineplex they're in business to make money. What type of town do you live in? My local cineplex isn't an independent, it is part of a chain, they play what the higher ups have agreed to show what was leased to their company. It's not a simple task of just asking the manager.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 28, 2023 4:05:08 GMT
My local cineplex didn't play films featuring Andrea Riseborough from last year outside of Amsterdam, it didn't play The Whale, either. See How They Run was only there for a week and a half and it left. Babylon and Ticket to Paradise were played for an adequate duration though. Even so, four pictures is not enough of a variety. It is enough of a variety when you had 3 Marvel films and one DC film released within last year to your four possibly more than that non blockbuster films. Not really, and I am not just talking about superhero movies in regard to blockbuster releases.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 28, 2023 4:40:30 GMT
It looks like that you have furthered my suspicion that your argument is more rooted in emotion than of logic, and that when you said you had a degree in psychology and practiced it, it was not a sincere statement. He was asked his opinion about the movies by an interviewer during the promotion for a work he was involved in, and he gave his response. People online were upset by his comment, and he wrote an editorial to clarify and to expand his statement. He cannot be at fault for what some screwballs online do as he wasn't encouraging their behavior, and even if Scorsese never commented on Marvel movies there would still be, as you have supported, a number of people trolling on media and discussion boards related to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. These kind of internet trolls won't disappear overnight, so the best advice I would give is to just ignore them - blocking and muting is possible in most spaces on the internet. That might benefit my local theater, but not on the scale of the marketplace which my argument was talking about - I feel smaller and different kinds of movies should be given as much opportunity to be seen as any big budget, spectacle driven work at any theater. When you have only one kind of movie playing and little else, the variety of experiences to have in the theater are few. Where did I say James Gunn didn't have the right to criticize Scorsese? I said while Gunn disagreed with him on some things he agreed on others and still values him highly as a filmmaker. The impression you gave was that Scorsese wouldn't criticize something like Jaws out of concern for pushback by his peers in the entertainment industry, to which I responded that Scorsese likes that film I provided additional information that he is a close friend of Steven Spielberg and was in contact throughout the production of the film. Your conclusion that because Scorsese doesn't think highly of Marvel movies must mean that he must not be fond of any spectacle driven motion picture is complete fallacy, and inaccurate as Scorsese never said he hates them and despises their existence. Oh it's a real degree, I'm just fully aware of how much more trouble it would've been to try and do anything to Scorsese compared to Jackson.
He should've known what kind of reaction he'd get from saying something like that. He can't be that out of touch and clueless if he was really a Master Filmmaker.
Those Trolls would be toothless if he hadn't vindicated them.
Again, take that up with the people running the Theaters. Small Indie things always get less of a release, it's the nature of the business.
It doesn't mean Scorsese is untouchable, which certain people think he is.
So he's friends with Spielberg, so he wouldn't dare do anything to antagonize him. Meaning he lacks integrity.
The way you present yourself as well as your lack of awareness, understanding, and inability to produce logically sound argument has me to believe that your claim of having a degree and practice in the field is bunk. That's a fallacy - being an acclaimed filmmaker doesn't mean you will be able to accurately predict how your comments will be interpreted by others. People didn't like what Scorsese said about Marvel movies, so he clarified in an editorial. He didn't vindicate anybody, he stated his opinion, which at the end of the day, is not a fact. And, given there were already people, as you have pointed out, that were trolling Marvel Studios releases for years before Scorsese made his statement on them it would follow that they would still be doing the act if he hadn't said a word. Not how it works these days, especially when the theater isn't independently owned. And that isn't true, I've seen independent films being played for close to two months, but that was many years ago. I am not just talking about independent films though, blockbuster cinema today generally is dominated by spectacle-driven pictures, works that have some money put into them with some star power tend to go to streaming services, when about a decade ago or so they would be released theatrically and probably could have found an even bigger audience - the remake of All Quiet on the Western Front got quite a bit of attention from the Academy Awards, imagine if it the theatrical window had not been limited and it was treated and promoted as standard blockbuster fare? And I didn't say he was. Another fallacy - Scorsese being friends with Spielberg doesn't mean he won't have it in him to criticize (speaking of, how is criticism the same as being antagonistic?) his work. Scorsese has collaborated with plenty of people over his career that have taken part of productions he didn't think highly of. Terence Winter, who wrote The Wolf of Wall Street and created Vinyl and Boardwalk Empire, had been a writer and a producer on The Sopranos, which featured cast members from Goodfellas and Casino, Scorsese didn't care for The Sopranos series. Some of the actors from the Marvel Cinematic Universe have also worked with Scorsese on film and television projects, didn't stop him from saying what he said.
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Post by Lux on Mar 28, 2023 8:00:33 GMT
That's something you'll need to discuss with Cineplex they're in business to make money. What type of town do you live in? My local cineplex isn't an independent, it is part of a chain, they play what the higher ups have agreed to show what was leased to their company. It's a simple task of just asking the manager. If it's as simple as just asking the manager why are you still supporting Martin Scorsese?
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Post by Lux on Mar 28, 2023 8:03:26 GMT
It is enough of a variety when you had 3 Marvel films and one DC film released within last year to your four possibly more than that non blockbuster films. Not really, and I am not just talking about superhero movies in regard to blockbuster releases. Variety also includes other different types of blockbuster releases too. Top Gun 2 for example.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 28, 2023 8:35:14 GMT
My local cineplex isn't an independent, it is part of a chain, they play what the higher ups have agreed to show what was leased to their company. It's a simple task of just asking the manager. If it's as simple as just asking the manager why are you still supporting Martin Scorsese? My mistake, I forgot to include "not" after "it's" in my last sentence. I have gone back and fixed the comment.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Mar 28, 2023 8:38:49 GMT
Not really, and I am not just talking about superhero movies in regard to blockbuster releases. Variety also includes other different types of blockbuster releases too. Top Gun 2 for example. I didn't say it didn't or it couldn't.
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Post by Lux on Mar 28, 2023 9:14:01 GMT
If it's as simple as just asking the manager why are you still supporting Martin Scorsese? My mistake, I forgot to include "not" after "it's" in my last sentence. It's as simple as you make it.
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