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Post by Aj_June on Jun 4, 2017 16:57:03 GMT
Do you have any solution in mind? We need a solution here or it could end up with right win parties getting more powerful. In my opinion USA and its allies should not have interfered with middle east as much as they did. What is the ironic is that the terrible country America is the one suffering least of the consequences. In any case, it is more important to discussion the solutions. Are you against taking refugees/even qualified immigrants or restrict all Muslims from getting entry into Europe? I don't think that anyone can think of a good solution, although I can predict how western governments are going to go about trying to solve it, which is to ramp up surveillance and security, and in 20 years time we'll probably all be living in dystopian police states. Personally, I feel sorry for the innocent Muslims who are going to find themselves the subject of constant suspicion and distrust in public and in the media. But it's hard not to see a drastic reduction of Islamic immigration as being one of the least bad ways of trying to solve the problem (and not just terrorism). And it would be a good idea to put pressure on Muslim countries to accept more of the Muslim refugees, whereas we can take more of the non-Muslim ones. We also definitely need to cease all of this "it wasn't real Muslims, because nobody who was a real Muslim would do this kind of thing" nonsense. IMO, the best thing to do would be to be more honest. Countries like America should stop playing the double game. Trump the hypocrite was making stupid statements on stopping all Muslims from entering USA and a few days back I saw him having a great time with monsters of Saudi Arabia. I am not a fool and don't buy this sh!t of western countries. Instead of barking against average Muslims (most of whom are nice people), western countries need to be honest and condemn Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and other such Muslim governments who don't have concept of secularism and fund terrorism. They don't need to bark against average Muslims. So Trump should never have humiliated Muslims by saying that "we won't allow Muslims". He should have only condemned the bad within Muslim world (That is the biggest criminal, the most shameful, the terrorism sponsoring country called Saudi Arabia). But Trump as well as America is best friends with Saudia. This is the problem. You need to condemn those terrorist supporting regime and creators of extremist movements and not go on madly about Muslims in general. Also, let me guarantee this: You will never win war against Islamic extremists by stopping all Muslims from entering Europe. You can only win war by assimilating them. The number of Muslims that already live in France are good enough to turn your France into Islamic country in future and obviously even white people will convert to Islam even though they won't be the main source of new Muslims. The first thing to do for assimilating Muslims is to give up your involvement in middle east. And I include America when I refer to "you".
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Post by sublime92 on Jun 4, 2017 17:17:21 GMT
Notice how the Western world seldom had problems with Muslims after we kicked their asses in World War I and until the 1970s when we opened the immigrant floodgates to them?
I don't see a coincidence. Containing them in their 10th century paradises is the only thing that keeps them in check.
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Post by tickingmask on Jun 4, 2017 18:02:49 GMT
You think I love a bigoted religious terrorist apologist like you TM😃 No, I don't think you love anybody very much at all. I've just been watching the news, people full of praise for the security forces, the ambulance service, passers by helping the injured in whatever way they could, lots of expressions of love, peace and tolerance which will no doubt be echoed in the upcoming concert in Manchester tonight. And I felt quite humbled. And then, by complete contrast, there's the total fuckwits like you and Cody, far too interested in pushing your own agendas to be interested in any of that peace and love stuff. Cody is trying his best to start up a religious war between Christians and Muslims while you are seeking even further to divide up religious and non-religious folk and get them to hate each other. And you know what the really sad thing is? It's not just that you obviously don't give a shit about the victims and you have no contribution to make on how to solve the problem, but it's that you are both too stupid to realise that you are seeking EXACTLY the same result as the jihadists, who want to create the same divisions as you do and are relying on the useful idiots such as yourself to help them achieve it. I guess I despise the jihadists more than I despise you - I just think you are a bit sad, that's all, but Jesus, Christ, you guys are such a waste of space. It's at times like this that I'm so thankful to whatever god anybody cares to believe in that the vast majority of people in the UK are not like you.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 4, 2017 22:20:16 GMT
Do you have any solution in mind? We need a solution here or it could end up with right win parties getting more powerful. In my opinion USA and its allies should not have interfered with middle east as much as they did. What is the ironic is that the terrible country America is the one suffering least of the consequences. In any case, it is more important to discussion the solutions. Are you against taking refugees/even qualified immigrants or restrict all Muslims from getting entry into Europe? Firstly, like it or not, we need to secure our borders. All migrants and refugees from the Middle East need to be properly vetted. This includes non EU citizens travelling to the UK from the EU. The Saudi influence in our Mosques needs to be stopped. No more Saudi funding or Saudi Imams. Madrasas need to be banned, along with all other religious schools. Our education system need to be secular and nothing else. Zero tolerance of any religious practice that conflicts with Traditional Western values. Free speech must not be curtailed because feelings. Religion or culture should no longer be a defense in any legal trial. I don't care if you don't know what rape is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 5:53:58 GMT
You think I love a bigoted religious terrorist apologist like you TM😃 No, I don't think you love anybody very much at all. I've just been watching the news, people full of praise for the security forces, the ambulance service, passers by helping the injured in whatever way they could, lots of expressions of love, peace and tolerance which will no doubt be echoed in the upcoming concert in Manchester tonight. And I felt quite humbled. And then, by complete contrast, there's the total fuckwits like you and Cody, far too interested in pushing your own agendas to be interested in any of that peace and love stuff. Cody is trying his best to start up a religious war between Christians and Muslims while you are seeking even further to divide up religious and non-religious folk and get them to hate each other. And you know what the really sad thing is? It's not just that you obviously don't give a shit about the victims and you have no contribution to make on how to solve the problem, but it's that you are both too stupid to realise that you are seeking EXACTLY the same result as the jihadists, who want to create the same divisions as you do and are relying on the useful idiots such as yourself to help them achieve it. I guess I despise the jihadists more than I despise you - I just think you are a bit sad, that's all, but Jesus, Christ, you guys are such a waste of space. It's at times like this that I'm so thankful to whatever god anybody cares to believe in that the vast majority of people in the UK are not like you. "I have been made victorious with terror"👆🏻Is it any wonder Muslims are slaughtering and blowing shit up everywhere when their ultimate role model and is saying stuff like this? How much more blood needs be spilt before pillocks like you acknowledge that there is something inherently problematic with this ideology laughably being masqueraded as the religion of peace?
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Post by islandmur on Jun 5, 2017 10:59:33 GMT
You're not going to take up arms and get that job done yourself, Supes. No, you're more the cheerleader type, aren't you? Did I ever say I would you drunken Buffon? Because the only two reactions to the recent terror attacks is to do and say absolutely nothing or take up arms against Muslims,there of course is no in-between. And what have you done to combat the NWO Erjen? Post YouTube videos on an obscure former movie message board that has no more than 500 people on it at anyone time? Yeah you're fighting the good fight Mr. "Herald"😃 What I'm going to do is first vote on the British election on Thursday. Then I'm going to carry on calling for what I said before this wave of attacks happened. And end to Muslim immigration into the UK,a none renewal of all visa's issued to foreign Muslim citizens within the UK and no further visa's issued. The stripping of citizenship(including children) of any Muslim suspected of terror offences,the deportation of any and all family members of terrorist attackers. The stopping of all foreign funding to British mosques and Islamic learning centers. The stopping of all halal practices for the sale of meat within Britain. The outlawing of the wearing of the niqhab(full body covering) on British streets. The abolition of the ability to marry one's cousin in the UK. No special dispensation given to Muslim employees when it comes to religious customs or holidays. The segregation of all Muslim prisoners into specially built all Muslim wings and jails,where they are unable to mix with the general population. The DNA profile and fingerprints of every Muslim in Britain to be collected as well as their children at birth. The ability to detain Muslim's without trial if the authorities believe they are a threat to national security. A register of every Muslim in the UK and the country of origin of either them or their parents. A mandatory life sentence to all Muslims who express support for IS. That's what I support being done Erjen is that clear enough for you? Wow.... that's a lot of fear and rage talking.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 5, 2017 11:01:33 GMT
tpfkar Still not that different than the ideology of guys like you and repeatedly borne out by your own behavior. You're grappling with your main competitor. Women shouldn't be presidents, prime ministers or chancellors.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 5, 2017 11:05:15 GMT
tpfkar Still not that different than the ideology of guys like you and repeatedly borne out by your own behavior. You're grappling with your main competitor. Women shouldn't be presidents, prime ministers or chancellors.Much like you grappling with your boyfriend, you faggot?
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 5, 2017 11:08:58 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 5, 2017 11:10:19 GMT
thorshairspray Said: Exactly. It's Saudi that is the poison which is spreading to other Muslim countries. So far, western countries are doing everything to not hold Saudia responsible for their role. The problem is not Muslims. It is Saudi Arabia that is the problem. It's sad that world can't bring itself to condemn this country and its policies. This is a good point. Even if it means banning other religious schools, it is worth it. Madarsas are curse for Muslim kids. Education ingrained in scientific spirit is the way to go.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 5, 2017 11:11:34 GMT
Are you going to deny that you're a homosexual, and that you regard homosexuality as natural behavior? Go ahead. Deny it.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 5, 2017 11:14:58 GMT
tpfkar For you, I'll be gay for the duration of this latest cruise session of yours, Erj. Don't feel too bad about the gay part when you wake up. You are a queer, right? And you hate women. don't you?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 5, 2017 11:18:45 GMT
tpfkar For you, I'll be gay for the duration of this latest cruise session of yours, Erj. Don't feel too bad about the gay part when you wake up. You are a queer, right? And you hate women. don't you?Then you agree that homosexuality is a filthy perversion, yes?
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 5, 2017 11:23:17 GMT
tpfkar I agree your gay non sequiturs are never more entertaining as when you're on the crashing end of the sauce. You don't say!
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 5, 2017 13:45:19 GMT
Did I ever say I would you drunken Buffon? Because the only two reactions to the recent terror attacks is to do and say absolutely nothing or take up arms against Muslims,there of course is no in-between. And what have you done to combat the NWO Erjen? Post YouTube videos on an obscure former movie message board that has no more than 500 people on it at anyone time? Yeah you're fighting the good fight Mr. "Herald"😃 What I'm going to do is first vote on the British election on Thursday. Then I'm going to carry on calling for what I said before this wave of attacks happened. And end to Muslim immigration into the UK,a none renewal of all visa's issued to foreign Muslim citizens within the UK and no further visa's issued. The stripping of citizenship(including children) of any Muslim suspected of terror offences,the deportation of any and all family members of terrorist attackers. The stopping of all foreign funding to British mosques and Islamic learning centers. The stopping of all halal practices for the sale of meat within Britain. The outlawing of the wearing of the niqhab(full body covering) on British streets. The abolition of the ability to marry one's cousin in the UK. No special dispensation given to Muslim employees when it comes to religious customs or holidays. The segregation of all Muslim prisoners into specially built all Muslim wings and jails,where they are unable to mix with the general population. The DNA profile and fingerprints of every Muslim in Britain to be collected as well as their children at birth. The ability to detain Muslim's without trial if the authorities believe they are a threat to national security. A register of every Muslim in the UK and the country of origin of either them or their parents. A mandatory life sentence to all Muslims who express support for IS. That's what I support being done Erjen is that clear enough for you? Wow.... that's a lot of fear and rage talking. www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2nlIfn8tNAWanna see this where you live? Neither do we.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 20:28:38 GMT
I don't think that anyone can think of a good solution, although I can predict how western governments are going to go about trying to solve it, which is to ramp up surveillance and security, and in 20 years time we'll probably all be living in dystopian police states. Personally, I feel sorry for the innocent Muslims who are going to find themselves the subject of constant suspicion and distrust in public and in the media. But it's hard not to see a drastic reduction of Islamic immigration as being one of the least bad ways of trying to solve the problem (and not just terrorism). And it would be a good idea to put pressure on Muslim countries to accept more of the Muslim refugees, whereas we can take more of the non-Muslim ones. We also definitely need to cease all of this "it wasn't real Muslims, because nobody who was a real Muslim would do this kind of thing" nonsense. IMO, the best thing to do would be to be more honest. Countries like America should stop playing the double game. Trump the hypocrite was making stupid statements on stopping all Muslims from entering USA and a few days back I saw him having a great time with monsters of Saudi Arabia. I am not a fool and don't buy this sh!t of western countries. Instead of barking against average Muslims (most of whom are nice people), western countries need to be honest and condemn Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and other such Muslim governments who don't have concept of secularism and fund terrorism. They don't need to bark against average Muslims. So Trump should never have humiliated Muslims by saying that "we won't allow Muslims". He should have only condemned the bad within Muslim world (That is the biggest criminal, the most shameful, the terrorism sponsoring country called Saudi Arabia). But Trump as well as America is best friends with Saudia. This is the problem. You need to condemn those terrorist supporting regime and creators of extremist movements and not go on madly about Muslims in general. Also, let me guarantee this: You will never win war against Islamic extremists by stopping all Muslims from entering Europe. You can only win war by assimilating them. The number of Muslims that already live in France are good enough to turn your France into Islamic country in future and obviously even white people will convert to Islam even though they won't be the main source of new Muslims. The first thing to do for assimilating Muslims is to give up your involvement in middle east. And I include America when I refer to "you". I completely agree with the fact that Western governments need to stop sucking up to the Saudis, and allowing them to fund mosques and madrasas in our countries. However, I would deny that having a large Islamic population is benign, because even though most of them are peaceful (in that they're not actively being violent), they still want to impose their regressive values onto our society in order to make it more hospitable to them. And Muslims seem to have assimilated reasonable well into the US and Canada, but not into Europe. I think that reflects that those countries are more selective of the Muslims that they allow in. The US certainly isn't more tolerant than Western European nations. Europe would do well to learn from the US on this, although at this stage it might be a case of trying to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. I have no objection to withdrawing from the Middle East also.
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Post by vernuf on Jun 9, 2017 7:02:01 GMT
You're not going to take up arms and get that job done yourself, Supes. No, you're more the cheerleader type, aren't you? Did I ever say I would you drunken Buffon? Because the only two reactions to the recent terror attacks is to do and say absolutely nothing or take up arms against Muslims,there of course is no in-between. And what have you done to combat the NWO Erjen? Post YouTube videos on an obscure former movie message board that has no more than 500 people on it at anyone time? Yeah you're fighting the good fight Mr. "Herald"😃 What I'm going to do is first vote on the British election on Thursday. Then I'm going to carry on calling for what I said before this wave of attacks happened. And end to Muslim immigration into the UK,a none renewal of all visa's issued to foreign Muslim citizens within the UK and no further visa's issued. The stripping of citizenship(including children) of any Muslim suspected of terror offences,the deportation of any and all family members of terrorist attackers. The stopping of all foreign funding to British mosques and Islamic learning centers. The stopping of all halal practices for the sale of meat within Britain. The outlawing of the wearing of the niqhab(full body covering) on British streets. The abolition of the ability to marry one's cousin in the UK. No special dispensation given to Muslim employees when it comes to religious customs or holidays. The segregation of all Muslim prisoners into specially built all Muslim wings and jails,where they are unable to mix with the general population. The DNA profile and fingerprints of every Muslim in Britain to be collected as well as their children at birth. The ability to detain Muslim's without trial if the authorities believe they are a threat to national security. A register of every Muslim in the UK and the country of origin of either them or their parents. A mandatory life sentence to all Muslims who express support for IS. That's what I support being done Erjen is that clear enough for you? How very 1930s Germany of you. Shall they wear yellow crescent moons on their clothes too?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 8:03:46 GMT
Did I ever say I would you drunken Buffon? Because the only two reactions to the recent terror attacks is to do and say absolutely nothing or take up arms against Muslims,there of course is no in-between. And what have you done to combat the NWO Erjen? Post YouTube videos on an obscure former movie message board that has no more than 500 people on it at anyone time? Yeah you're fighting the good fight Mr. "Herald"😃 What I'm going to do is first vote on the British election on Thursday. Then I'm going to carry on calling for what I said before this wave of attacks happened. And end to Muslim immigration into the UK,a none renewal of all visa's issued to foreign Muslim citizens within the UK and no further visa's issued. The stripping of citizenship(including children) of any Muslim suspected of terror offences,the deportation of any and all family members of terrorist attackers. The stopping of all foreign funding to British mosques and Islamic learning centers. The stopping of all halal practices for the sale of meat within Britain. The outlawing of the wearing of the niqhab(full body covering) on British streets. The abolition of the ability to marry one's cousin in the UK. No special dispensation given to Muslim employees when it comes to religious customs or holidays. The segregation of all Muslim prisoners into specially built all Muslim wings and jails,where they are unable to mix with the general population. The DNA profile and fingerprints of every Muslim in Britain to be collected as well as their children at birth. The ability to detain Muslim's without trial if the authorities believe they are a threat to national security. A register of every Muslim in the UK and the country of origin of either them or their parents. A mandatory life sentence to all Muslims who express support for IS. That's what I support being done Erjen is that clear enough for you? How very 1930s Germany of you. Shall they wear yellow crescent moons on their clothes too? My grandfather was killed fighting the Nazi's so how about you shut your fucking mouth. Did the jews of Germany subscribe to a religion that wanted to spread its religion to every country of the world. Did the jews of Germany subscribe to a religion that supports the stoning to death of adulterers,the execution of homosexuals,the execution of non jews,the execution of people who want to leave the religion? The mistreatment of women? Did the jews of Germany subscribe to a religion that has spawned a wave of terror attacks that have killed hundreds of thousands of people on almost every corner of the globe? Did the jews of Germany subscribe to a religion that blows up churches and chops the head of Christians on beaches? Did the jews of Germany subscribe to honour killings of female family members for dating somebody they disapproved of. Did the jews of Germany subscribe to the idea that blasphemy should be punishable by death? Did the jews of Germany have their young people strap bombs to themselves and blow up other young people to pieces for the crime of attending a concert? Did the jews encourage their young men to care so little about non-jews from other communities that many of them had no problem raping children up and down the country? The answer to those questions is obviously no,the jews were entirely innocent of the "crimes" the Nazi government accused them of. Islam and a large proportion of its adherents are guilty of everyone of those charges I listed above. So yours is a false equivalency,born out of simplistic knee jerk thinking. The reason why I oppose Islam so strongly is because at its core it's a fascistic controlling religion that tramples on the human rights of those that adhere to it and those that don't. It is racist,homophobic and misogynistic and propagates the idea that Muslims are an elite and should run the world,it is a similar ideology to Nazism and their idea of the "master race". Its call for a caliphate is similar to the Nazi calls for lebensraum(Living Space). I never got to meet my grandfather but from what my grandmother told me about him he would have as much time for the fascists of Islam as he would the fascists of Germany. You call yourself a left winger but you give unequivocal support to religion that tramples on the very rights that the left stand for. I and my family will not be sacrificed on the alter of your misguided tolerance to a totalitarian ideology. That's not going to happen and if you think for one second I'm alone in thinking this then keep watching the news from the UK and you may be in for a shock in the next few months.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 9, 2017 8:16:00 GMT
You're referring to the Copts that ISIS was supposed to have beheaded on a beach in Libya back in 2015?
That was some of the worst CGI ever. Seriously, dude.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 9:02:19 GMT
You're referring to the Copts that ISIS was supposed to have beheaded on a beach in Libya back in 2015? That was some of the worst CGI ever. Seriously, dude. Don't address me with your drunken insane ramblings you piece of shit.
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