|
Post by clusium on Mar 30, 2023 2:58:33 GMT
That's because here in Canada, we have freedom of religion. And who gives you that right? The believing church or the secular state? What does it matter?
|
|
|
Post by Sarge on Mar 31, 2023 3:55:40 GMT
And who gives you that right? The believing church or the secular state? What does it matter? Idle curiosity, do you have the Anglican church in Canada?
|
|
|
Post by captainbryce on Mar 31, 2023 4:38:03 GMT
Easily Christians or Jews get the most persecution, even in the U.S.. There is no such thing as Christian persecution in the United States, the notion of which is patently absurd! Christians have a persecution complex, nothing more.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 4:46:40 GMT
Idle curiosity, do you have the Anglican church in Canada? Yes. As a matter of fact, my father was Anglican (though he used to always attend Holy Mass with the rest of us).
|
|
|
Post by paulslaugh on Mar 31, 2023 12:07:16 GMT
And who gives you that right? The believing church or the secular state? What does it matter? It matters if you think God has a right to take away our freedoms.
|
|
|
Post by paulslaugh on Mar 31, 2023 12:09:51 GMT
Easily Christians or Jews get the most persecution, even in the U.S.. There is no such thing as Christian persecution in the United States, the notion of which is patently absurd! Christians have a persecution complex, nothing more. Yep, it’s built right into the religion to expect to be persecuted, because that’s a sign you have God’s true favor.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 14:10:38 GMT
It matters if you think God has a right to take away our freedoms. Our Heavenly Father Gives us free will.
|
|
|
Post by paulslaugh on Mar 31, 2023 14:17:13 GMT
It matters if you think God has a right to take away our freedoms. Our Heavenly Father Gives us free will. But you don’t base objective civil laws on what a subjective, unprovable being gives us from some equally unprovable supernatural dimension.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 14:30:07 GMT
Our Heavenly Father Gives us free will. But you don’t base objective civil laws on what a subjective, unprovable being gives us from some equally unprovable supernatural dimension. A lot of the Laws of the land are in line with what religion has its Laws too. Eg: No killing, stealing, etc.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 14:30:07 GMT
Our Heavenly Father Gives us free will. But you don’t base objective civil laws on what a subjective, unprovable being gives us from some equally unprovable supernatural dimension. A lot of the Laws of the land are in line with what religion has its Laws too. Eg: No killing, stealing, etc.
|
|
|
Post by paulslaugh on Mar 31, 2023 14:49:06 GMT
But you don’t base objective civil laws on what a subjective, unprovable being gives us from some equally unprovable supernatural dimension. A lot of the Laws of the land are in line with what religion has its Laws too. Eg: No killing, stealing, etc. Coincidence and God didn’t think it up. There were laws against killing people on Planet Earth long before Moses came down the mountain with his tablets. Do you honestly think there were no other places on earth at the time who thought killing people for no good reason was okie-doke?
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 15:08:52 GMT
A lot of the Laws of the land are in line with what religion has its Laws too. Eg: No killing, stealing, etc. Coincidence and God didn’t think it up. There were laws against killing people on Planet Earth long before Moses came down the mountain with his tablets. Do you honestly think there were no other places on earth at the time who thought killing people for no good reason was okie-doke? They still did so, because of the Particular God or gods forbade those things.
|
|
|
Post by paulslaugh on Mar 31, 2023 15:10:39 GMT
Coincidence and God didn’t think it up. There were laws against killing people on Planet Earth long before Moses came down the mountain with his tablets. Do you honestly think there were no other places on earth at the time who thought killing people for no good reason was okie-doke? They still did so, because of the Particular God or gods forbade those things. Those were not from The God remember. None of that counts.
|
|
|
Post by Sarge on Mar 31, 2023 15:27:22 GMT
A lot of the Laws of the land are in line with what religion has its Laws too. Eg: No killing, stealing, etc. I believe every organized society had those to keep the peace. Hard to build a community when it's okay to kill your neighbor and take his stuff.
|
|
|
Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 31, 2023 15:36:17 GMT
More than 360m Christians suffer high levels of persecution and discrimination for their faith. In Open Doors’ World Watch List top 50 alone, 312m Christians face very high or extreme levels. Explore the country profiles to find information, stories and prayers for each of the countries, along with ways that you can stand with your persecuted church family in prayer and action. More about the World Watch List.1 in 7 Christians are persecuted worldwide 1 in 5 Christians are persecuted in Africa 2 in 5 Christians are persecuted in Asia. www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/I think two many people think the rest of the world are like the west, just because Christians are not persecuted in the west, that does not mean it does not happen in other places in the world.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 16:38:53 GMT
They still did so, because of the Particular God or gods forbade those things. Those were not from The God remember. None of that counts. Not necessarily. For one thing, even in those religions, there were good deities & there were evil deities. It was pretty much encouraged to worship the good guys.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 16:41:22 GMT
A lot of the Laws of the land are in line with what religion has its Laws too. Eg: No killing, stealing, etc. I believe every organized society had those to keep the peace. Hard to build a community when it's okay to kill your neighbour and take his stuff. Yes, but, the cornerstone of all communities in ancient times was the particular spirituality. Besides that, it's one thing to say not to kill your neighbour & steal their stuff, however, in some cases, it was actually alright to do that people outside of your own community (in ancient times).
|
|
|
Post by paulslaugh on Mar 31, 2023 17:19:51 GMT
Those were not from The God remember. None of that counts. Not necessarily. For one thing, even in those religions, there were good deities & there were evil deities. It was pretty much encouraged to worship the good guys. So what you’re saying is until some god told the first humans beings murder was wrong, they were slaughtering each other right and left.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on Mar 31, 2023 18:50:17 GMT
Not necessarily. For one thing, even in those religions, there were good deities & there were evil deities. It was pretty much encouraged to worship the good guys. So what you’re saying is until some god told the first humans beings murder was wrong, they were slaughtering each other right and left. Yep. Why do you think God Decided to Flood everybody (according to practically every religion & culture that there is)?
|
|
|
Post by faustus5 on Mar 31, 2023 20:07:30 GMT
So what you’re saying is until some god told the first humans beings murder was wrong, they were slaughtering each other right and left. Yep. Why do you think God Decided to Flood everybody (according to practically every religion & culture that there is)? Hate to break it to you, kid, but the Biblical flood never happened. Are you literally that gullible?
|
|