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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2023 20:28:32 GMT
If I said that, why would you ask me? Are you in the habit of asking people a question they just answered? The context of the question is what would you have God do to protect us from assault. What does it matter so long as we are protected?
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Post by Shiloh on Apr 1, 2023 20:32:26 GMT
The context of the question is what would you have God do to protect us from assault. What does it matter so long as we are protected? It's an issue of free will. Do you think it should be impossible to cause harm?
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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2023 20:43:21 GMT
What does it matter so long as we are protected? It's an issue of free will. Do you think it should be impossible to cause harm? I don't believe in gods, so I don't believe there is one to protect us. My earlier comment about a mystical being was satirical. It should have been obvious. Whether we have free will nor not is irrelevant, the sun will rise tomorrow, or it will not. We will continue or we will not. If you have free will, then choose wisely. If we lack free will, it doesn't matter what we decide. All you can do it continue as if you had a choice.
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Post by Shiloh on Apr 1, 2023 21:00:23 GMT
It's an issue of free will. Do you think it should be impossible to cause harm? I don't believe in gods, so I don't believe there is one to protect us. My earlier comment about a mystical being was satirical. It should have been obvious. Whether we have free will nor not is irrelevant, the sun will rise tomorrow, or it will not. We will continue or we will not. If you have free will, then choose wisely. If we lack free will, it doesn't matter what we decide. All you can do it continue as if you had a choice. Why are you avoiding the question?
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 1, 2023 21:02:53 GMT
Your god is impotent. Your god's chosen were enslaved many times and spent much of history homeless. The minute Moses left for the mountain; the Israelites began worshipping other gods. They weren't afraid of Yahweh. And your god was powerless until Moses returned.
"Your god is impotent." There's a lot of that going around.
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Post by paulslaugh on Apr 1, 2023 21:30:55 GMT
What does it matter so long as we are protected? It's an issue of free will. Do you think it should be impossible to cause harm? So you’re saying God refuses to protect those with no freewill from those who have freewill due to freewill? If so, why do oppressed people bother asking for him for protection from the actions of the freewill?
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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2023 21:47:20 GMT
I don't believe in gods, so I don't believe there is one to protect us. My earlier comment about a mystical being was satirical. It should have been obvious. Whether we have free will nor not is irrelevant, the sun will rise tomorrow, or it will not. We will continue or we will not. If you have free will, then choose wisely. If we lack free will, it doesn't matter what we decide. All you can do it continue as if you had a choice. Why are you avoiding the question? Why did you avoid my question? Why did you ask a question that according to you I had already answered, then lie about the context? (That's rhetorical, it was to save face) You skip my question, I skip yours. Fight the compulsion to be clever and trick me into contradicting myself, you never succeed, and just take my words and think about them. If you disagree, just say you disagree and why. And welcome back, again.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2023 21:48:58 GMT
Your god is impotent. Your god's chosen were enslaved many times and spent much of history homeless. The minute Moses left for the mountain; the Israelites began worshipping other gods. They weren't afraid of Yahweh. And your god was powerless until Moses returned.
"Your god is impotent." There's a lot of that going around.
I've probably said it before and will probably say it again, if that's what you mean.
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Post by Shiloh on Apr 1, 2023 22:55:14 GMT
Why are you avoiding the question? Why did you avoid my question? Why did you ask a question that according to you I had already answered, then lie about the context? (That's rhetorical, it was to save face) You skip my question, I skip yours. Fight the compulsion to be clever and trick me into contradicting myself, you never succeed, and just take my words and think about them. If you disagree, just say you disagree and why. And welcome back, again. OK so it's just something you do. I'll try to remember that as the reason I don't talk to you.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 13, 2023 13:46:57 GMT
"Your god is impotent." There's a lot of that going around.
I've probably said it before and will probably say it again, if that's what you mean.
I forgot. You don't call yours a "god," do you? Did you know everyone is a bit "dedicated" (maybe not the right word) to something or other?
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Post by lunda2222 on Apr 13, 2023 14:21:55 GMT
Neither, I think. From what i see the most persecuted people are persecuted by people of the same faith or denomination. The Irish Orphanage Scandal is a good example. In this case it's how the Catholics treated their own in their religious zeal.
There is a rather famous song from 1987 who accidentally touch upon the theme. The band made it as somewhat of a joke, but they got so many responses from people who was victims of this they started to realize the song was far more true than they ever imagined.
Please note, I'm using catholicism as an example in this post, but the same pattern emerges from every religion and denominations.
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 15, 2023 18:16:48 GMT
Toward or from Christians? Or toward or from other religions? It depends on where you are in the world.
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Post by amyghost on Apr 15, 2023 19:55:19 GMT
Just wanting to believe something does not make it true.Based on the well documented history and the homogeneous white population at the time, it is empirically true. It’s not a matter of what I want to believe. What's the measuring stick? Real life.Real life is subjective. This nation is the middle of a reality crisis. What the Right says reality is, I don’t even recognize as close to being true. Have you ever, ever, been to a Thanksgiving Dinner of more than two people where there wasn't at least one of those people shouting that Christians weren't all hypocrites and all Christians were guilty of genocide?Hell, no. I’m from the South, we all knew not to go there. Thanksgiving was about turkeys and football. Even so, that’s an opinions disagreement. You must have some weird relatives. Have you ever seen someone pray outside of a church in front of two people or more without having at least one person shout and make threats at the person praying? Never. Don't even try to say you can get through a Christmas or Easter without seeing someone threaten Christians in the U.S.. Again, never. Try saying grace at a Thanksgiving or Easter dinner in the U.S. without someone at the table raising his or her (usually it's a "her") arms and threatening to attack anyone saying "grace". Did this really happen to you? Even so, so what? That’s not persecution, that’s ill mannered bigotry and it’s not like Christians don’t cast the evil-eye too. Damn, where do you live with all these bold atheists? Paris? It certainly happens every time since about 1990. People in the U.S. are indoctrinated into hating anyone who is a Christians. It's just the way it is. Even other Christians are brainwashed into hating other Christians. Boing! If you claim this isn't so, no one will believe you. Oh, they may say they believe you, but that's because they're lying. Well, you just told me. Christians covet the notion of persecution, and some will go to goodly lengths to interpret the most petty or mundane acts as smoking gun evidence of it. To disagree with the persecution-minded christer is to 'persecute' him. For them, this constitutes validation that they are following in the footsteps of Their Lord, who was reviled and spat upon wherever he went (according to them). Thus, they view 'persecution' as a badge of honor and something to be sought out and cherished wherever they can hold up proof--however tattered or flimsy--of its being brought against them.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 28, 2023 16:27:14 GMT
There has never persecution of Christians in the USA, this is the epidemy of sinful pride. Any religious persecution done in this nation has been by Christians to other Christians only. Just wanting to believe something does not make it true. What's the measuring stick? Real life. Have you ever, ever, been to a Thanksgiving Dinner of more than two people where there wasn't at least one of those people shouting that Christians weren't all hypocrites and all Christians were guilty of genocide? Have you ever seen someone pray outside of a church in front of two people or more without having at least one person shout and make threats at the person praying? Don't even try to say you can get through a Christmas or Easter without seeing someone threaten Christians in the U.S.. Try saying grace at a Thanksgiving or Easter dinner in the U.S. without someone at the table raising his or her (usually it's a "her") arms and threatening to attack anyone saying "grace". It certainly happens every time since about 1990. People in the U.S. are indoctrinated into hating anyone who is a Christians. It's just the way it is. Even other Christians are brainwashed into hating other Christians. If you claim this isn't so, no one will believe you. Oh, they may say they believe you, but that's because they're lying. This does not qualify as persecution. Persecution is a feature, not an anomaly. Everybody gets attacked for their beliefs at various points in their lives. Not everybody gets persecuted for them.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 28, 2023 16:29:24 GMT
What does it matter so long as we are protected? It's an issue of free will. Do you think it should be impossible to cause harm? Not physically impossible - but wouldn't it be great if no one had the desire to cause harm? And if you value free will so much - should police not intervene if they witness an assault, out of deference to the criminal's free will? Moreover: why is the criminal's free will more important than the free will of the victim?
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Post by djorno on Apr 29, 2023 18:58:30 GMT
The flood is actually in all religions' stories. A. That's complete and utter bullshit.
B. "Stories" don't matter. Verifiable evidence from geology does.
There actually is fairly recently discovered archaeological evidence that a major and sudden flood occurred at some point between 13,000 & 8,500 years ago. It’s said to have filled the Persian gulf, and the region of ancient Sumer plus parts of Arabia.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 29, 2023 21:11:49 GMT
A. That's complete and utter bullshit.
B. "Stories" don't matter. Verifiable evidence from geology does.
There actually is fairly recently discovered archaeological evidence that a major and sudden flood occurred at some point between 13,000 & 8,500 years ago. It’s said to have filled the Persian gulf, and the region of ancient Sumer plus parts of Arabia. A local flood, sure, but a global flood, no. Major floods have occurred all over the world at different times, so that is hardly surprising. But a single flood deposits a single, graded layer, and there is no such layer in the geological record to indicate a worldwide flood, and conclusive proof that nothing of the sort could possibly have happened in the, oh, past couple hundred millions of years.
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Post by djorno on Apr 29, 2023 21:58:26 GMT
There actually is fairly recently discovered archaeological evidence that a major and sudden flood occurred at some point between 13,000 & 8,500 years ago. It’s said to have filled the Persian gulf, and the region of ancient Sumer plus parts of Arabia. A local flood, sure, but a global flood, no. Major floods have occurred all over the world at different times, so that is hardly surprising. But a single flood deposits a single, graded layer, and there is no such layer in the geological record to indicate a worldwide flood, and conclusive proof that nothing of the sort could possibly have happened in the, oh, past couple hundred millions of years. The Bible doesn’t specify if the flood was worldwide or local. We have evidence of a global flood event. Just never a point where every piece of land was completely underwater, but it didn’t have to be.
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Post by Karl Aksel on Apr 29, 2023 23:26:49 GMT
A local flood, sure, but a global flood, no. Major floods have occurred all over the world at different times, so that is hardly surprising. But a single flood deposits a single, graded layer, and there is no such layer in the geological record to indicate a worldwide flood, and conclusive proof that nothing of the sort could possibly have happened in the, oh, past couple hundred millions of years. The Bible doesn’t specify if the flood was worldwide or local. We have evidence of a global flood event. Just never a point where every piece of land was completely underwater, but it didn’t have to be. The Bible says even the tallest mountains were covered. That would make it global.
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