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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 4, 2017 6:49:12 GMT
SPOILERS DUH!
Was there a reason that Ares made his traditional armor out of scrap metal at the end, or was it just fan service? He didn't need the armor right? It never helped him did it? Was there actually a point in keeping Diana's origin from her forever? Why did her "mom" say she must never know. I get that there's a thin reason that she wanted to protect her, but she knew full well that Zeus himself put her there specifically for that reason. So she's just kind of being annoying not to tell her and prepare her for what Zeus himself intended her to do. Or did I miss something? Nobody seemed all that impressed with her. She jumped to the top of a bell tower and imploded it on contact and she literally only got a few handshakes for it. I don't think anybody bought the Zeus made her out of clay story for a second, but I think I would have at least asked her for more details about that story once I saw her do that. If Ares was that powerful, and that influential, why did he even introduce himself to Diana? Why not move on and keep sowing war to the point she can't keep up. She'd never figure it out. She didn't even suspect him, she thought she'd killed him actually, and furthermore she was in a state of complete doubt about humanity. She thought mankind was hopeless. She was basically on his side at that point. He had her broken. And then he revealed himself, restoring her motivation. I know they needed a final battle, but this didn't seemlike a clever tactical move. I didn't buy that he needed her help for anything, and the more I think about it, she didn't win. She didn't figure out anything. He basically sunk the eight ball and then scratched. I also thought the final battle lost of bit of weight by virtue of not knowing what Ares' powers were. So he's got Loki like ghost ability, but then never really uses that and instead has Phoenix level telekenetic powers. Now that was awesome, and then he's got some force lightening as well. The thing was he seemed completely immortal, and you don't really feel he has any vulnerability, so when she hits him with his own lightening I kinda said "oh, i guess that killed him." I think the reason is, the sword would have felt like the obvious pay off weapon you were waiting for her to use on him, but then they pull that swerve that she herself is the weapon. I actually really liked that twist. But then if she's the weapon, how does she kill him? Can she just tickle him to death because she's the weapon or does she have to absorb his force lightening to kill him? IDK it just sort of happened without any real foreshadowing or explanation. If he hadn't have used force lightening what would she have done? One other kind of curious thing was her power growth. I've compared this film to being the love child of First Avenger and Thor 1, and I think that even applies to her power level throughout the film. She's basically Steve Rogers for most of the movie, and then she hulks up (pun intended), and morphs into Thor. That's all well and good, but none of it seems to surprise her in the slightest. She isn't in awe of what she did, or impressed, or curious, or anything. She just lifts a tank and tosses it casually to the side and says "tank lifting, sure, whatevs." I felt similarly when she started digging into the stone wall of the tower near the beginning. Did she know she could do this? How was she not crushing her amazon opponents in battle is she did. And if she did, why again was the secret of who she was such a big deal. She already knew the clay story right? What's the difference if she knew the rest? Clearly she must have known she was far different than her non bare hand rock crushing friends right? So those were just a few curiosities as I was watching that I was still wondering about when the credits rolled.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 5, 2017 4:18:08 GMT
Can anybody address these? I'm not as familiar with DC, so I thought you might be able to help me with things I might have missed.
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Post by _ on Jun 5, 2017 4:24:17 GMT
Pay better attention next time.
It's not anyone else's fault if you are too dumb to understand a comic book movie.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 5, 2017 4:35:53 GMT
Pay better attention next time. It's not anyone else's fault if you are too dumb to understand a comic book movie. Well then, it's all very clear now. I'd like to thank you for that lucid and thorough explanation directed at each specific topic I addressed. You must have considered your answers for hours and I really appreciate the time you invested in bringing a less familiar fan up to speed. Your deep insight is well appreciated.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 5, 2017 6:09:13 GMT
It really didn't make sense how Hipolyta didn't want to train her to fight. She's supposed to be the weapon, and even if you think that she'll never need to fight Ares, you're an island full of warrior women who know nothing else except to fight. Why wouldn't you want to train the most powerful one among you? I feel like that whole "she's special but she should never know what she is" part was handled very weakly.
I also have a problem with the power vagueness in this movie. What exactly were Wonder Woman's powers? There was a part there where she changed from her London clothes to her armor in just a few seconds without anyone seeing her despite there being people around. And Ares was pretty much omni-powerful. Like he could do pretty much anything... but decides to go fisticuffs with Wonder Woman. Yeah, that could have been handled better.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 5, 2017 6:35:34 GMT
It really didn't make sense how Hipolyta didn't want to train her to fight. She's supposed to be the weapon, and even if you think that she'll never need to fight Ares, you're an island full of warrior women who know nothing else except to fight. Why wouldn't you want to train the most powerful one among you? I feel like that whole "she's special but she should never know what she is" part was handled very weakly. It made perfect sense. Hippolyta knows how powerful Ares is so Hippolyta doesn't want her daughter fighting Ares. Zeus created Themyscira to hide the Amazons from Ares. As long as Diana stays on the island, Ares can't find her. So Hippolyta doesn't want Diana to start training and learning that her destiny is to leave the island and fight and kill Ares. That's why Hippolyta wants to keep Diana in the dark about her true heritage and her destiny.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 5, 2017 15:00:00 GMT
It really didn't make sense how Hipolyta didn't want to train her to fight. She's supposed to be the weapon, and even if you think that she'll never need to fight Ares, you're an island full of warrior women who know nothing else except to fight. Why wouldn't you want to train the most powerful one among you? I feel like that whole "she's special but she should never know what she is" part was handled very weakly. I also have a problem with the power vagueness in this movie. What exactly were Wonder Woman's powers? There was a part there where she changed from her London clothes to her armor in just a few seconds without anyone seeing her despite there being people around. And Ares was pretty much omni-powerful. Like he could do pretty much anything... but decides to go fisticuffs with Wonder Woman. Yeah, that could have been handled better. I agree.
I also found Ares putting on his armor to be really weird. So he just made it out of scrap metal on the spot? Why? Just to look cool? Not a big deal but just kind of silly.
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Post by _ on Jun 5, 2017 17:16:05 GMT
Pay better attention next time. It's not anyone else's fault if you are too dumb to understand a comic book movie. Well then, it's all very clear now. I'd like to thank you for that lucid and thorough explanation directed at each specific topic I addressed. You must have considered your answers for hours and I really appreciate the time you invested in bringing a less familiar fan up to speed. Your deep insight is well appreciated. You're welcome, moron.
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