Should a transperson be upfront about it when theyre dating?

Jul 3, 2017 10:16:57 GMT The Lost One said:

Jul 3, 2017 9:22:23 GMT Toasted Cheese said:

But you did say that some people find redheads gross, not unattractive.

There are people who are disgusted by red hair. Not saying it's justified but there it is.

I don't even know who Michelle Hendley is.

Which is why I posted her pic further up the discussion.

It is understandable if a male who is attracted to women feels deceived and angry finding out that the person they are sleeping with used to be man. Technically they still are. Extreme violent behavior by straight males, that is instigated by repulsion of doing it with a male does bring up other issues, but ultimately, heterosexual men are physically attracted to the feminine as an external. They were expecting a woman, not some fake phony female.

That's their issue. They were obviously attracted enough to this "phony female" to have sex with them in the first place. Again what's the difference in finding out the person you slept with used to be red-haired (which you normally don't find attractive), or has extreme political views you don't agree with?

TG is a mental illness, and the narcissistic self-image and self-loathing issues are what needs to be addressed. If a man wants to identify as a woman and play dress up fine, but when they start to want to physically change their bodies, that is a different ballgame all together. I don't even consider a TG a TG, unless they have the op and then these reputable doctors have a lot to answer for.

You're entitled to your opinion. Here's another common opinion:
"Homosexuality is clearly a mental illness. I mean our bodies are designed for heterosexual sex - a penis is designed to go into a vagina. Gay people are forced to try anal sex which has far more health risks while all lesbians can do is play with one another. And the only way to have children is if a man impregnates a woman, showing that is the natural way to have sex. People who say homosexuality is permissible are feeding delusion. And it's not even a harmless delusion - look at the rate of sexual diseases amongst homosexual men! And then bisexuals are even worse as they spread it into the heterosexual population. All homosexuals should be forced into therapy to cure themselves of this dangerous mental illness."
I imagine you would view the above opinion with contempt. So would I. And that's how many people view your unscientific, melodramatic, oversimplified narrative when it comes to transgenderism.

Oh, yeah, its about money and making a name for themselves.

Don't be silly. For one thing it's the standard practice in the west now. The real notoriety would be achieved by opposing it and the real profit would be in unregulated psychological deprogramming of the "trans delusion"

TG shouldn't even be lumped in with the confounded LGB. It is not a sexuality. It is a scourge on many homosexual men, who do like and appreciate the gender they are born into.

Someone else being comfortable in their assigned gender is in no way affected by someone else being uncomfortable in theirs.

Genuine gay men are not wanting to mutilate themselves and become something they're not. TG only think they are women, or men. And who cares if something is standard practice, does it make it appropriate or right? Circumcision of males without their consent is still pretty much standard practice in the US and is about profit and misguiding the masses and is feeding off corrupt and insidious agendas. 

I am aware of the scorn, contempt and disdain for homosexuality by most people and have had to learn to live and attempt to skirt around most of it for all my life. Transgender is a minute minority and is not born out of genuine and authentic sexual desire. Same sex desire is not about gender self-loathing or gender dysmorphia. TG is getting twisted into something it's not, just because some pretentious, pompous, arrogant ass psychiatrist think they know what they are doing. Yes, they are pandering and where is the proof on a scientific level about TG, that is not born out of pseudo-intellectual academia that is full of it's own delusions. Kind of like TG I guess. It is about the self-absorbed and self-pitying mindset.  A TG is not mentally ill in the sense that they can't function normally as humans and need constant care and supervision, but it still contains some serious disorders about self-image.    

Jul 3, 2017 13:10:35 GMT The Lost One said:

Jul 3, 2017 11:40:52 GMT Toasted Cheese said:

Genuine gay men are not wanting to mutilate themselves

Mutilation is subjective. Some people see piercings or tattoos or cosmetic surgery as mutilation, but even then the sanity of the person is rarely questioned. For the transperson who wants genital surgery, it is no different to getting a cleft lip fixed.

and become something they're not. TG only think they are women, or men.

Who are you to be a better judge as to what someone is than how they feel? At any rate, the homophobe could still apply such thinking to homosexuals - "everyone is really straight, they just think they're not"

And who cares if something is standard practice, does it make it appropriate or right?

No, but expert opinion is generally more trustworthy than someone giving their gut feeling about it all. It's why we shouldn't pay any heed to climate change deniers or anti-vaxxers.

Circumcision of males without their consent is still pretty much standard practice in the US and is about profit and misguiding the masses and is feeding off corrupt and insidious agendas. 

Key difference there - it's done without consent. Not a good analogy for genital reassignment surgery which in the west is always done by consent of the patient.

Transgender is a minute minority

Why is that relevant? If there were fewer gay people in the world, would prejudice against them be more justified?

and is not born out of genuine and authentic sexual desire.

I agree. So why were you saying trans people were just super gay earlier?

How do you know for a transperson, getting a cut and tuck it is no different from getting a cleft lip fixed. How presumptuous! Even if you are trans yourself and have had the procedure, why are you speaking for others here? That is just being arrogant, just like you commented who am I to better a judge a trans in thinking they are really women or men. Tattoos and piercings are done by personal consent, it is not equivalent to infant circumcision and is an inappropriate correlation.

If I person identifies as the opposite gender they were born into, then that is fine and I don't have any issue with that. It is that persons own life and being. It is the mind set of self-loathing of wanting to mutilate the body, to become the opposite gender, which is really all a delusion and DOES bring up other disorders of the mind. It is all mind and doctors pandering to this delusion, I find very questionable. I couldn't care less how expert others may feel their opinion is.

I have already mentioned, TG DOES NOT do homosexuality any favors. They need their own movement and once they start on the hormonal therapy and body mutilation, it becomes a whole new ball game. As a homo, I do not care to be associated with those men that think they are women because they do no like their maleness. I love my maleness and I love the maleness of many other males. This is total monistic embracement of ones own gender. I appreciate and love many females, their bodies and anatomy do not peak any sense of libido in me though. You have taken one half of sentence and manipulated to make some abstract point regarding genuine and authentic sexual desire, which is ordinary sexuality as we know it. A trans person who gets with man, after becoming a woman, is only wanting to live and experience life as a female. After they have had their genitalia cut out, how would sexual desire correlate into this?   

Jul 6, 2017 11:32:37 GMT The Lost One said:

Jul 6, 2017 9:31:16 GMT Toasted Cheese said:

How do you know for a transperson, getting a cut and tuck it is no different from getting a cleft lip fixed. How presumptuous! Even if you are trans yourself and have had the procedure, why are you speaking for others here? That is just being arrogant, just like you commented who am I to better a judge a trans in thinking they are really women or men.

Fair point. I should have said "For some transpeople who go through genital surgery, they see it as no more like mutilation than fixing a cleft lip.

Tattoos and piercings are done by personal consent, it is not equivalent to infant circumcision and is an inappropriate correlation.

I wasn't comparing them to infant circumcision. My point was some see them as mutilation, others as being able to do what they want with their body.

If a person identifies as the opposite gender they were born into

Even that is a problematic way to phrase it. The idea is that gender is assigned at birth rather than dictated by what's between your legs.

then that is fine and I don't have any issue with that.

Fair enough.

It is the mind set of self-loathing of wanting to mutilate the body, to become the opposite gender, which is really all a delusion and DOES bring up other disorders of the mind.

See again you're using words like mutilate and delusion. The idea is the way you feel has more sway in what gender you are than what's between your legs. There's no real evidence that this qualifies as delusion. What other delusions would you compare it to?

I have already mentioned, TG DOES NOT do homosexuality any favors. They need their own movement and once they start on the hormonal therapy and body mutilation, it becomes a whole new ball game. As a homo, I do not care to be associated with those men that think they are women because they do no like their maleness. I love my maleness and I love the maleness of many other males. This is total monistic embracement of ones own gender. I appreciate and love many females, their bodies and anatomy do not peak any sense of libido in me though. You have taken one half of sentence and manipulated to make some abstract point regarding genuine and authentic sexual desire, which is ordinary sexuality as we know it. A trans person who gets with man, after becoming a woman, is only wanting to live and experience life as a female. After they have had their genitalia cut out, how would sexual desire correlate into this?   

Please DO NOT lump me into a category that has NOTHING TO DO with my sexuality. This has already been discussed. I am not interested in having confused individuals that are mentally ill body self-loathing narcissists as allies, stand up against the scorn and disdain that many project towards homosexuals. While bigotry and ignorance may be the main argument, IT DOES NOT HELP. I don't even care to be a part of a small compartmentalized community, that is misrepresenting itself.  As a gay guy, I am still part of a collective whole at the end of the day, and all people of homo, hetero and bisexuality are brought forth by hetero sex. Most heteros are fools, take their sexuality for granted, are misguided and go into denial about what they create if they don't like what they get. Tough sh!t! If their children are TG, then I would say it is highly likely the parents were f<>ked up to begin with, along with our confused and confounded hypocritical society. Yes, T is very cut off from homosexuality, because that is exactly what they do, CUT IT OFF!

Jul 6, 2017 12:56:48 GMT The Lost One said:

Jul 6, 2017 12:30:37 GMT Toasted Cheese said:

Who's logic! Yours? lostkiera, you have a female symbol, yet you appear very invested in the plight of the trannie. Why? Are you one yourself?

At the start of this conversation you were making fairly logical arguments which I could at least respond to even if I didn't agree with them. But stuff like "T is very cut off from homosexuality, because that is exactly what they do, CUT IT OFF!" is just emotional bluster that's impossible to respond to in any logical fashion.

You would probably not consider me trans, based on your narrow definition of what it means to be so. But whether I am or am not a transperson, that shouldn't matter. Just as the merits of your argument that T should be cast out of the LGBT movement are not affected by you being gay.

T should be cast out of the gay movement and unless you are gay yourself, or trans, then it does make a heck of a lot of difference. If you are trans, please give me a solid, valid and logical reason why you are not tainting the gay movement? If you are a straight female, then your argument in support of T being a part of the gay movement lends little credence over your argument for something that has nothing to do with you. IT DOES MATTER. 

At any rate, you appear to have been called out and don't like what you are hearing. I would bet that you are a trannie and if not, please give me something else to work with instead of being so selectively secretive, to suit your own agenda.