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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 28, 2023 17:19:08 GMT
Riva in Obiwan is the classic example. So there being more than 2 black people in Star Wars is bad? It's an entire Galaxy, it shouldn't all be white people to start with. No one said that. Why must you use strawman argument fallacies? I like Jannah and Lando. Reva not so much because she sucks.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 28, 2023 17:28:05 GMT
What even is "Forced Diversity"? Like if you go outside and see a black person or a gay person do you look at that go "man i can't believe they're shoving forced diversity down my throat!" I bet that’s exactly what his life is like! 😂😂😂 Really? Australians are more likely to live in an urban area than people in the states. Australia is more multicultural too with better cohesion between the races. Hauntedknight came from some tiny hick town, so it’s understandable that he could imagine someone freaking out over diversity. What’s your excuse? Did you like Reva? How about America Chavez? If not, and you learnt that diversity motives were behind their clumsy conception, then STFU, because you have the same opinion as myself and others of all colours.
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Post by James on Mar 28, 2023 17:30:13 GMT
I thought "forced diversity" was when they race-swap already-existing characters for inclusion (which honestly isn't a big deal to begin with), but apparently the presence of originally created minority characters for movies and shows that haven't existed prior to the franchise's other projects constitutes as "forced diversity" as well, case in point Reva in Obi-Wan Kenobi. Hmm... Reva is forced diversity when you consider that she was shunted into a previously existing script to add diversity. If they’re going to do that, they could at least have the character’s arc make logical sense and get a capable actress. Then maybe no one would notice. I don't see what was illogical about her arc. And she wasn't the best actress they could've gotten, but she did get better in later episodes. Maybe they just thought she gave the best auditions, but of course none of this has anything to do with race.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 28, 2023 17:42:10 GMT
Reva is forced diversity when you consider that she was shunted into a previously existing script to add diversity. If they’re going to do that, they could at least have the character’s arc make logical sense and get a capable actress. Then maybe no one would notice. I don't see what was illogical about her arc. And she wasn't the best actress they could've gotten, but she did get better in later episodes. Maybe they just thought she gave the best auditions, but of course none of this has anything to do with race. Holy shit!
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 28, 2023 17:57:11 GMT
I thought "forced diversity" was when they race-swap already-existing characters for inclusion (which honestly isn't a big deal to begin with), but apparently the presence of originally created minority characters for movies and shows that haven't existed prior to the franchise's other projects constitutes as "forced diversity" as well, case in point Reva in Obi-Wan Kenobi. Hmm... Reva is forced diversity when you consider that she was shunted into a previously existing script to add diversity. If they’re going to do that, they could at least have the character’s arc make logical sense and get a capable actress. Then maybe no one would notice. No, she was just a character added after the initial pitch. That's all.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 28, 2023 17:57:29 GMT
So there being more than 2 black people in Star Wars is bad? It's an entire Galaxy, it shouldn't all be white people to start with. No one said that. Why must you use strawman argument fallacies? I like Jannah and Lando. Reva not so much because she sucks. She wasn't as 1-Note as Lando was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 18:00:06 GMT
I bet that’s exactly what his life is like! 😂😂😂 Really? Australians are more likely to live in an urban area than people in the states. Australia is more multicultural too with better cohesion between the races. Hauntedknight came from some tiny hick town, so it’s understandable that he could imagine someone freaking out over diversity. What’s your excuse? Did you like Reva? How about America Chavez? If not, and you learnt that diversity motives were behind their clumsy conception, then STFU, because you have the same opinion as myself and others of all colours. You thought Reva was the only bad character in Obi Wan? The whole show was a train wreck! You’re trying to conflate bad writing with diversity and we all know why.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 28, 2023 18:17:25 GMT
Really? Australians are more likely to live in an urban area than people in the states. Australia is more multicultural too with better cohesion between the races. Hauntedknight came from some tiny hick town, so it’s understandable that he could imagine someone freaking out over diversity. What’s your excuse? Did you like Reva? How about America Chavez? If not, and you learnt that diversity motives were behind their clumsy conception, then STFU, because you have the same opinion as myself and others of all colours. You thought Reva was the only bad character in Obi Wan? The whole show was a train wreck! You’re trying to conflate bad writing with diversity and we all know why. Nope. I never said that. But she was the worst. No shit. Sometimes there is a confluence. Because you’re an idiot?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 28, 2023 18:53:30 GMT
Riva in Obiwan is the classic example. I thought "forced diversity" was when they race-swap already-existing characters for inclusion (which honestly isn't a big deal to begin with), but apparently the presence of originally created minority characters for movies and shows that haven't existed prior to the franchise's other projects constitutes as "forced diversity" as well, case in point Reva in Obi-Wan Kenobi. Hmm... Here's how I differentiate forced vs. natural diversity. Pretend you have a school that accepts all races and nationalities provided they pass the academic requirements. And then you ended up with some students being white, some black, some latino, some Asian etc. Sometimes white students are the most populous, some years you have more latinos, sometimes Asians, etc. The school doesn't care, they just keep taking in students depending on academic requirements. Racial population could be as skewed as 90% caucasian or 70% Asian, or can be completely equal ratios of each... school doesn't care. That's natural diversity. Forced diversity is when the school starts implementing quotas. Say they only take in 25% white students and after that 25% is completed they'll no longer take in white students. Then they'll also cap Asians at 25% and then they'll try to canvass for more blacks and latinos to make sure they get full 25% ratios for each. That's forced diversity, because you're literally enforcing a rule to make it diverse. Translating that to movies and TV shows: To me forced diversity doesn't necessarily mean you race-swap an existing character (though that's usually a good example). It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast". Sometimes that means race-swapping a character, sometimes it means introducing a brand new character just to make sure you hit your diversity quota.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 19:08:32 GMT
You thought Reva was the only bad character in Obi Wan? The whole show was a train wreck! You’re trying to conflate bad writing with diversity and we all know why. Nope. I never said that. But she was the worst. No shit. Sometimes there is a confluence. Because you’re an idiot? Obi Wan was shit through and through, but you’re trying to claim it was because of diversity. It’s pretty transparent, dude. It’s why you don’t use good movies as examples. The Batman race swapped characters for the sake of diversity yet it was a fantastic movie and both those characters were excellent. Heck, Lando may well have been cast with the deliberate goal to add a black character to Star Wars. The only difference is good writing.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 28, 2023 19:29:14 GMT
Nope. I never said that. But she was the worst. No shit. Sometimes there is a confluence. Because you’re an idiot? Obi Wan was shit through and through, but you’re trying to claim it was because of diversity. It’s pretty transparent, dude. It’s why you don’t use good movies as examples. The Batman race swapped characters for the sake of diversity yet it was a fantastic movie and both those characters were excellent. Heck, Lando may well have been cast with the deliberate goal to add a black character to Star Wars. The only difference is good writing. No I’m not, you idiot. You should cease the fallacies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 19:30:05 GMT
Obi Wan was shit through and through, but you’re trying to claim it was because of diversity. It’s pretty transparent, dude. It’s why you don’t use good movies as examples. The Batman race swapped characters for the sake of diversity yet it was a fantastic movie and both those characters were excellent. Heck, Lando may well have been cast with the deliberate goal to add a black character to Star Wars. The only difference is good writing. No I’m not, you idiot. No need to name call. You are a very angry young man, aren’t you?
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 28, 2023 19:36:48 GMT
No need to name call. You are a very angry young man, aren’t you? Young? Why thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 19:39:12 GMT
No need to name call. You are a very angry young man, aren’t you? Young? Why thank you. I can only surmise that you are on the younger side. I don’t think a full grown man would spend so much time trolling a Marvel board.
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 28, 2023 19:59:13 GMT
I can only surmise that you are on the younger side. I don’t think a full grown man would spend so much time trolling a Marvel board. I’m kinda sorry I called you an idiot, but I’m kinda not because you’re quick to label someone as racist. One should be free to speak on sensitive matters without being labeled as racist. This is part of the reason (just one part, but a significant one) why the quality of Marvel and Star Wars sucks now. Forced diversity does contribute to poor output. It is antithetical to the ideal of a meritocracy. Diversity does exist in a meritocracy, but it’s organic. It may not reflect society precisely, although in time it likely will, but forcing it leads to inferior results.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 28, 2023 20:26:33 GMT
I can only surmise that you are on the younger side. I don’t think a full grown man would spend so much time trolling a Marvel board. I’m kinda sorry I called you an idiot, but I’m kinda not because you’re quick to label someone as racist. One should be free to speak on sensitive matters without being labeled as racist. This is part of the reason (just one part, but a significant one) why the quality of Marvel and Star Wars sucks now. Forced diversity does contribute to poor output. It is antithetical to the ideal of a meritocracy. Diversity does exist in a meritocracy, but it’s organic. It may not reflect society precisely, although in time it likely will, but forcing it leads to inferior results. While I can agree the term 'racist' gets thrown around a lot, it's possible to be racist without using racial slurs, or without even realizing you're racist. Who starts threads complaining about equal representation on screen? Who uses terms like 'forced diversity?' Who points to a black character on a terribly written show and specifically points out her race as the major problem with the character? I'll tell you who doesn't, people who don't care about race.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 21:44:00 GMT
I can only surmise that you are on the younger side. I don’t think a full grown man would spend so much time trolling a Marvel board. I’m kinda sorry I called you an idiot, but I’m kinda not because you’re quick to label someone as racist. One should be free to speak on sensitive matters without being labeled as racist. This is part of the reason (just one part, but a significant one) why the quality of Marvel and Star Wars sucks now. Forced diversity does contribute to poor output. It is antithetical to the ideal of a meritocracy. Diversity does exist in a meritocracy, but it’s organic. It may not reflect society precisely, although in time it likely will, but forcing it leads to inferior results. I never called you a racist though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 22:00:25 GMT
Here’s the problem with this argument. Marvel has constantly been creating new characters for decades. Why shouldn’t one be Latina? How is America Chavez a “forced diversity” character aside from being Hispanic? Doesn’t that make Blade, TChalla, and even Wonder Woman forced diversity too? What’s the criteria for this accusation?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 28, 2023 22:59:23 GMT
Here’s the problem with this argument. Marvel has constantly been creating new characters for decades. Why shouldn’t one be Latina? How is America Chavez a “forced diversity” character aside from being Hispanic? Doesn’t that make Blade, TChalla, and even Wonder Woman forced diversity too? What’s the criteria for this accusation? Considering that latinos are the 2nd most populous race in the US after caucasians, I'm actually surprised both DC and Marvel don't have more latino superheroes. They should.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 28, 2023 23:08:03 GMT
Here’s the problem with this argument. Marvel has constantly been creating new characters for decades. Why shouldn’t one be Latina? How is America Chavez a “forced diversity” character aside from being Hispanic? Doesn’t that make Blade, TChalla, and even Wonder Woman forced diversity too? What’s the criteria for this accusation? I'm guessing it's because white characters have been featured prominently in media for so long that once non white characters started getting more exposure in the same media it's upsetting some people for some reason.
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