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Post by Cat on Mar 29, 2023 21:55:34 GMT
Representation matters.
Don't know who or what Alonzo is, but I'll tell you something else. I'd never heard of Miles Morales until watching Into the Spiderverse, and that became one of my favourite superhero movies. As a Spiderman fan, it was something different.
In fact, I actually think the best thing to come out of the MCU Spiderman was not revisiting "with great power comes great responsibility". I'm thinking selfishly as a fan, but I can't watch that again. It's like Batman's parents being shot in the alley. You can only see it so many times before it drives you nuts.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 29, 2023 23:10:49 GMT
You claimed I said this: "you said that if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing" So please quote me where I said that. When you brought up "Diversity Quotas", you implied that the one and only reason there'd be nonwhite characters is because of that and not just that maybe the best actor happened to be that person. You seem to be having trouble understanding English. Let's try this again. Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2023 0:36:42 GMT
When you brought up "Diversity Quotas", you implied that the one and only reason there'd be nonwhite characters is because of that and not just that maybe the best actor happened to be that person. You seem to be having trouble understanding English. Let's try this again. Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." "It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"."
This implies you think that everytime a character of color shows up it HAS to be because of a "Quota" and no other reason.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 30, 2023 0:51:52 GMT
You seem to be having trouble understanding English. Let's try this again. Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." "It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"."
This implies you think that everytime a character of color shows up it HAS to be because of a "Quota" and no other reason.
Looks like you quoted the wrong passage there bud. It looks nothing like what you claim it's saying. Again, please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2023 1:32:36 GMT
"It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"."
This implies you think that everytime a character of color shows up it HAS to be because of a "Quota" and no other reason.
Looks like you quoted the wrong passage there bud. It looks nothing like what you claim it's saying. Again, please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." You made it clear what you were saying the instant you brought up "Quotas" instead of just thinking "A character who isn't white? Actor must have given a good audition".
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 30, 2023 2:36:47 GMT
Looks like you quoted the wrong passage there bud. It looks nothing like what you claim it's saying. Again, please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." You made it clear what you were saying the instant you brought up "Quotas" instead of just thinking "A character who isn't white? Actor must have given a good audition". Sorry dude, I'm not asking for your (mis)interpretation of what I said. I'm asking you to please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2023 3:01:40 GMT
You made it clear what you were saying the instant you brought up "Quotas" instead of just thinking "A character who isn't white? Actor must have given a good audition". Sorry dude, I'm not asking for your (mis)interpretation of what I said. I'm asking you to please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." This quote is literally what you posted, "It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast".
You're saying that whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason.
If that's not what you meant, then elaborate.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 30, 2023 4:24:59 GMT
Sorry dude, I'm not asking for your (mis)interpretation of what I said. I'm asking you to please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said this: "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." This quote is literally what you posted, "It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast".
You're saying that whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason.
If that's not what you meant, then elaborate.
Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said "whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason."Please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2023 12:31:16 GMT
This quote is literally what you posted, "It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast".
You're saying that whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason.
If that's not what you meant, then elaborate.
Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said "whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason."Please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."If you meant that, you'd have said so. All you did say was "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast".
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 30, 2023 15:10:07 GMT
Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said "whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason."Please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."If you meant that, you'd have said so. All you did say was "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast". Please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."Either quote me exactly where I said those words or admit that I never said that and you were intentionally misrepresenting what I said.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2023 20:30:19 GMT
If you meant that, you'd have said so. All you did say was "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast". Please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."Either quote me exactly where I said those words or admit that I never said that and you were intentionally misrepresenting what I said. I haven't misrepresented anything, you literally wrote ""It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"".
If that isn't what you meant, explain yourself.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 30, 2023 21:02:54 GMT
Please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white."Either quote me exactly where I said those words or admit that I never said that and you were intentionally misrepresenting what I said. I haven't misrepresented anything, you literally wrote ""It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"".
If that isn't what you meant, explain yourself.
And yet nowhere in there did I mention anything that resembles "... if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing..." So again, please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said "whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason."
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 30, 2023 23:00:51 GMT
I haven't misrepresented anything, you literally wrote ""It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"".
If that isn't what you meant, explain yourself.
And yet nowhere in there did I mention anything that resembles "... if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing..." So again, please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said "whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason." You literally wrote ""It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"".
What else could you have meant by that?
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 30, 2023 23:50:46 GMT
And yet nowhere in there did I mention anything that resembles "... if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing..." So again, please QUOTE me exactly on where I supposedly said "if a nonwhite shows up them it must automatically be because of some nonexistent "Diversity Quota" thing and not just because...the actor just happened to not be white." Please QUOTE me on where I supposedly said "whenever any character of color is introduced, it must be due to quota and there can't be any other reason." You literally wrote ""It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"".
What else could you have meant by that?
Ok, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that your reading comprehension is just complete sh*t and that you're not intentionally trolling me. So I'll try to explain this to you once and once only. What I said was something like, "A vegan is someone who eats nothing but vegetables." You then misrepresented that as, "So you're saying anyone who eats vegetables are vegans."Anyone with a bit of common sense will tell you that those two statements are saying completely different things. Similarly, what I said in this context was that, "Forced diversity is when you're introducing diversity simply to satisfy a quota." You then misrepresented that as, "So you're saying anytime diversity is introduced that means they're doing it to satisfy a quota."Again, those two statements are completely different and it's a logical fallacy to try and equate them. In other words, what I said is not even close to what you're claiming I said. I gave my definition of what forced diversity is, I never said that all diversity is forced diversity. I hope that's a clear enough explanation for you.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2023 1:29:49 GMT
You literally wrote ""It's when you introduce a character of color for the simple reason of, "Hey, we need to make sure we hit our quota for having more people of color in the cast"".
What else could you have meant by that?
Ok, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that your reading comprehension is just complete sh*t and that you're not intentionally trolling me. So I'll try to explain this to you once and once only. What I said was something like, "A vegan is someone who eats nothing but vegetables." You then misrepresented that as, "So you're saying anyone who eats vegetables are vegans."Anyone with a bit of common sense will tell you that those two statements are saying completely different things. Similarly, what I said in this context was that, "Forced diversity is when you're introducing diversity simply to satisfy a quota." You then misrepresented that as, "So you're saying anytime diversity is introduced that means they're doing it to satisfy a quota."Again, those two statements are completely different and it's a logical fallacy to try and equate them. In other words, what I said is not even close to what you're claiming I said. I gave my definition of what forced diversity is, I never said that all diversity is forced diversity. I hope that's a clear enough explanation for you. Then give us an example where you didn't think the diversity was "forced".
Explain how when it's because of a Quota and when it's not.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 31, 2023 1:58:32 GMT
Ok, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that your reading comprehension is just complete sh*t and that you're not intentionally trolling me. So I'll try to explain this to you once and once only. What I said was something like, "A vegan is someone who eats nothing but vegetables." You then misrepresented that as, "So you're saying anyone who eats vegetables are vegans."Anyone with a bit of common sense will tell you that those two statements are saying completely different things. Similarly, what I said in this context was that, "Forced diversity is when you're introducing diversity simply to satisfy a quota." You then misrepresented that as, "So you're saying anytime diversity is introduced that means they're doing it to satisfy a quota."Again, those two statements are completely different and it's a logical fallacy to try and equate them. In other words, what I said is not even close to what you're claiming I said. I gave my definition of what forced diversity is, I never said that all diversity is forced diversity. I hope that's a clear enough explanation for you. Then give us an example where you didn't think the diversity was "forced".
Explain how when it's because of a Quota and when it's not.
Before I list my examples, will you first admit that you had misunderstood my statement?
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Post by Power Ranger on Mar 31, 2023 3:22:46 GMT
Then give us an example where you didn't think the diversity was "forced".
Explain how when it's because of a Quota and when it's not.
Before I list my examples, will you first admit that you had misunderstood my statement? Sam likes trolling. You won’t get a straight answer from him.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 31, 2023 12:41:15 GMT
Then give us an example where you didn't think the diversity was "forced".
Explain how when it's because of a Quota and when it's not.
Before I list my examples, will you first admit that you had misunderstood my statement? I just might, if you list examples. But I doubt you will, without some silly double standards involved.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 31, 2023 15:02:39 GMT
Before I list my examples, will you first admit that you had misunderstood my statement? I just might, if you list examples. But I doubt you will, without some silly double standards involved. Nah dude, you don't need to agree with my stance to admit that you had misunderstood or misrepresented my statement. Before I commit any more effort to conversing with you, I need to know that you're actually being objective about this and won't resort to underhanded tactics at the first opportunity. So all you need to do is admit that you had misunderstood my original post to show that you're willing to discuss in good faith. It's the truth after all, you did completely misinterpret what I said. All you need to do is acknowledge that mistake, then I can continue and provide the examples you're asking for. If you can't even bring yourself to do that then I know you're not willing to enter an honest conversation.
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Post by merh on Mar 31, 2023 15:26:04 GMT
Man (Peter Parker). Does representation really matter? Alonso never shut up about that but she’s gone now 👋 It makes you wonder how much better the MCU could have been without clowns like this. My white as anything ass wants to see Namor
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