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Post by monicah on Apr 18, 2023 13:10:32 GMT
Do you ever think there was ever any other virgin birth to happen in history?
(I don’t think there ever was one but Christians seem to 🤷♀️)
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Post by clusium on Apr 18, 2023 14:45:51 GMT
Do you ever think there was ever any other virgin birth to happen in history? (I don’t think there ever was one but Christians seem to 🤷♀️) There was Only One Virgin Birth in all of history, & that was that Of Our Lord Jesus Christ, as Our Lady Conceived Of the Holy Spirit. The Gospels record 3 occasions in which Our Father Speaks to the Lord Jesus, & in 2 of those 3 occasions -His Baptism & His Transfiguration, - the Father Says that the Lord Jesus Is His Son.
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Post by monicah on Apr 19, 2023 16:16:26 GMT
Do you ever think there was ever any other virgin birth to happen in history? (I don’t think there ever was one but Christians seem to 🤷♀️) There was Only One Virgin Birth in all of history, & that was that Of Our Lord Jesus Christ, as Our Lady Conceived Of the Holy Spirit. The Gospels record 3 occasions in which Our Father Speaks to the Lord Jesus, & in 2 of those 3 occasions -His Baptism & His Transfiguration, - the Father Says that the Lord Jesus Is His Son. Yes but assuming it’s scientifically possibly why would it only happen once? There’s billions and billions of ppl throughout the ages and it only happened once? Btw it’s not scientifically possible at all
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Post by clusium on Apr 20, 2023 0:10:30 GMT
There was Only One Virgin Birth in all of history, & that was that Of Our Lord Jesus Christ, as Our Lady Conceived Of the Holy Spirit. The Gospels record 3 occasions in which Our Father Speaks to the Lord Jesus, & in 2 of those 3 occasions -His Baptism & His Transfiguration, - the Father Says that the Lord Jesus Is His Son. Yes but assuming it’s scientifically possibly why would it only happen once? There’s billions and billions of ppl throughout the ages and it only happened once? Btw it’s not scientifically possible at all Because God Has Only One Begotten Son, and that Son Is Our Lord Jesus Christ, and His Mother is the Blessed Virgin Mary. Of course it is not scientifically possible. That is why it is a Miracle.
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Post by monicah on Apr 20, 2023 7:33:20 GMT
Yes but assuming it’s scientifically possibly why would it only happen once? There’s billions and billions of ppl throughout the ages and it only happened once? Btw it’s not scientifically possible at all Because God Has Only One Begotten Son, and that Son Is Our Lord Jesus Christ, and His Mother is the Blessed Virgin Mary. Of course it is not scientifically possible. That is why it is a Miracle. If it’s not scientifically possible then it never happened
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 20, 2023 11:44:26 GMT
Parthenogenesis in humans never produces viable embryos, though, because unfertilized eggs lack specific instructions about gene expression from the sperm.
So virgin births of humans are not possible and has never happened.
Parthenogenesis does occurs commonly among lower plants and invertebrate animals (particularly rotifers, aphids, ants, wasps, and bees) and rarely among higher vertebrates.
Also there are many stories of virgin birth older than Jesus, i mean Romulus and Remus, twin founders of Rome, was born of the virgin Rhea Silvia in
And sure you may say that Romulus and Remus are mythical people, but so is most likely Jesus or at least the Jesus that Christians belive in.
Stories of Virgin birth was nothing new at the time of Jesus, Christians at that time just took those stories and made them about Jesus.
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Post by clusium on Apr 20, 2023 14:12:12 GMT
Because God Has Only One Begotten Son, and that Son Is Our Lord Jesus Christ, and His Mother is the Blessed Virgin Mary. Of course it is not scientifically possible. That is why it is a Miracle. If it’s not scientifically possible then it never happened Nope. It happened.
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Post by monicah on Apr 20, 2023 16:29:00 GMT
If it’s not scientifically possible then it never happened Nope. It happened. Oh ok 🙄
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Post by clusium on Apr 21, 2023 14:52:23 GMT
Just because you belive something happened, does not mean it did happen. And just because somebody posts to me that it did not, does not mean that it did not.
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Post by clusium on Apr 21, 2023 20:08:53 GMT
And just because somebody posts to me that it did not, does not mean that it did not. If i used your logic about Krishna and the story about him when he was about 5 years old, and he lifted a mountain with his finger, would you accept that logic? And why are all the other virgin birth stories fake, but Jesus one is real? I allow Hindus to believe it. I do not deny their religious beliefs. I do not accept them, but, I do not deny them either.
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Post by jackbrock on Apr 23, 2023 17:04:19 GMT
Do you ever think there was ever any other virgin birth to happen in history? (I don’t think there ever was one but Christians seem to 🤷♀️) I don't believe it happened at all. The original translation was "young woman", not virgin. The virgin was added later.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 25, 2023 22:59:11 GMT
Do you ever think there was ever any other virgin birth to happen in history? (I don’t think there ever was one but Christians seem to 🤷♀️) There was Only One Virgin Birth in all of history, & that was that Of Our Lord Jesus Christ, as Our Lady Conceived Of the Holy Spirit. The Gospels record 3 occasions in which Our Father Speaks to the Lord Jesus, & in 2 of those 3 occasions -His Baptism & His Transfiguration, - the Father Says that the Lord Jesus Is His Son. I am curious how anyone would know for certain there were no other occurrences? Where does the Bible say that exactly?
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Post by clusium on Apr 25, 2023 23:49:47 GMT
There was Only One Virgin Birth in all of history, & that was that Of Our Lord Jesus Christ, as Our Lady Conceived Of the Holy Spirit. The Gospels record 3 occasions in which Our Father Speaks to the Lord Jesus, & in 2 of those 3 occasions -His Baptism & His Transfiguration, - the Father Says that the Lord Jesus Is His Son. I am curious how anyone would know for certain there were no other occurrences? Where does the Bible say that exactly? St. Peter mentions the Father Calling Christ His Son at His Transfiguration in his second Epistle, chapter 1, verses 16 - 18.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 26, 2023 4:02:30 GMT
I am curious how anyone would know for certain there were no other occurrences? Where does the Bible say that exactly? St. Peter mentions the Father Calling Christ His Son at His Transfiguration in his second Epistle, chapter 1, verses 16 - 18.
I am not seeing the connection between God calling Jesus his son and there being no other occurrences of virgin birth. I read about parthenogenesis and how it occurs in much lower forms of life, and maybe as high as fish, amphibians and reptiles, but not humans according to the sources online. My question was how can you know something that does happen, albeit by accident, in reptiles, does not ever happen in humans? I think the assumptions you're making that any occurrences of "virgin birth" must be the Son of God or must be included in the Bible are unfounded. Then too, what God did and parthenogenesis might not be the same thing. I am not saying I believe there were other occurrences, I most highly doubt there were. I'm just saying the Bible verses you mention do not close the possibility of another, perhaps different sort of such occurrence.
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Post by clusium on Apr 26, 2023 5:26:29 GMT
St. Peter mentions the Father Calling Christ His Son at His Transfiguration in his second Epistle, chapter 1, verses 16 - 18.
I am not seeing the connection between God calling Jesus his son and there being no other occurrences of virgin birth. I read about parthenogenesis and how it occurs in much lower forms of life, and maybe as high as fish, amphibians and reptiles, but not humans according to the sources online. My question was how can you know something that does happen, albeit by accident, in reptiles, does not ever happen in humans? I think the assumptions you're making that any occurrences of "virgin birth" must be the Son of God or must be included in the Bible are unfounded. Then too, what God did and parthenogenesis might not be the same thing. I am not saying I believe there were other occurrences, I most highly doubt there were. I'm just saying the Bible verses you mention do not close the possibility of another, perhaps different sort of such occurrence.
That is why it is called a 'Miracle.'
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Post by ghostintheshell on Apr 26, 2023 13:03:58 GMT
Doesn't matter what we think is scientifically impossible, cause faith takes root when we don't have evidence to contrast what we 'believe to be true'. Hence why faith is a virtue.
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Post by ghostintheshell on Apr 26, 2023 13:21:54 GMT
If i used your logic about Krishna and the story about him when he was about 5 years old, and he lifted a mountain with his finger, would you accept that logic? And why are all the other virgin birth stories fake, but Jesus one is real? *7 years old, lifted it up on the tip of his little finger for whole week to shelter his people from torrential rains sent down by an angry demigod, Indra...Lord Krishna did that to prove a point to his people that they should not worship/or serve demigods when the almighty watches over them. He often stressed the importance of having faith in 'Bhagavad Gita', and look how well it turned out for the Pandavas in the end. Sorry if I've strayed too far from the topic.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Apr 26, 2023 15:33:26 GMT
Do you ever think there was ever any other virgin birth to happen in history? (I don’t think there ever was one but Christians seem to 🤷♀️) Yes
Whenever the subject of a virgin birth comes up, I think of two items.
>>> The first is Jeff Goldblum’s quote in “Jurassic Park”, to wit: “ … life finds a way.”
>>> I also think of a notable actress of the seventies who, in her autobiography, stated that at the age of eighteen, she was a virgin. Apparently, she and her then boyfriend were doing some heavy petting when his excitement reached a climax. There was no penetration and (IIRC) she was still wearing her panties when the ejaculation occurred. One plausible explanation is that one of his soldiers somehow succeeded in his uphill battle to circumnavigate all obstacles, then find and reach his intended target. The other explanation is that Yahweh did it.
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 26, 2023 22:06:53 GMT
I am not seeing the connection between God calling Jesus his son and there being no other occurrences of virgin birth. I read about parthenogenesis and how it occurs in much lower forms of life, and maybe as high as fish, amphibians and reptiles, but not humans according to the sources online. My question was how can you know something that does happen, albeit by accident, in reptiles, does not ever happen in humans? I think the assumptions you're making that any occurrences of "virgin birth" must be the Son of God or must be included in the Bible are unfounded. Then too, what God did and parthenogenesis might not be the same thing. I am not saying I believe there were other occurrences, I most highly doubt there were. I'm just saying the Bible verses you mention do not close the possibility of another, perhaps different sort of such occurrence.
That is why it is called a 'Miracle.'
I suppose some passages of scripture require the assistance of the Holy Spirit to be fully and correctly understood. Is your point that because the virgin birth was a "miracle" only God could do it? And if God did it it would necessarily be included in the Bible? Therefore it could only happen once? What about the "miracles" by Pharoah's magician's? I understand that the serpent of Moses ate the other serpents, but Pharoah's magicians did what is impossible in nature. Also it appears not all miracles are recorded in the Bible.
Perhaps there are some details missing that would justify your assumptions.
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Post by clusium on Apr 27, 2023 0:10:23 GMT
That is why it is called a 'Miracle.'
I suppose some passages of scripture require the assistance of the Holy Spirit to be fully and correctly understood. Is your point that because the virgin birth was a "miracle" only God could do it? And if God did it it would necessarily be included in the Bible? Therefore it could only happen once? What about the "miracles" by Pharoah's magician's? I understand that the serpent of Moses ate the other serpents, but Pharoah's magicians did what is impossible in nature. Also it appears not all miracles are recorded in the Bible.
Perhaps there are some details missing that would justify your assumptions.
The fact that Moses' serpent ate the serpents of the magicians meant that Moses' God was by far, More Powerful than the gods of the magicians (because Moses' God IS the God of the universe). And you are right. Not all miracles are recorded, by the very admission of St. John the Apostle. That is why the Catholics & Orthodox go by the authority of the Church over the authority of the Bible. Protestants go exactly the other way. They go with the Bible first & then their various churches.
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