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Post by ck100 on Apr 23, 2023 11:58:59 GMT
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Post by SciFive on Apr 23, 2023 12:25:14 GMT
Actually, I think the ending that they kept was better.
Danny runs out of the maze and he's using his own voice as he hugs Wendy as they approach the vehicle to leave.
Then the frozen face appears with a bang sound.
The hotel photo slowly comes into view.
I think this is a much more powerful ending.
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Post by alpha128 on Apr 23, 2023 16:28:31 GMT
The biggest problem I have with this deleted scene is this line of dialogue: "(Lieutenant Elliot) told me they've really gone over the place with a fine tooth comb and they didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary." No evidence at all of this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODIxYTI3YzUtMjk5MS00OWYxLTg0Y2QtZmI3NjQyYWE1ZDRkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTAzNTg1NjU4._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODIxYTI3YzUtMjk5MS00OWYxLTg0Y2QtZmI3NjQyYWE1ZDRkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTAzNTg1NjU4._V1_.jpg) Or this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZWE4OThlNzktOTY5YS00M2YwLWFiZmItZjRhNjgyZWE0OTA1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTA4OTk3Nzcw._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZWE4OThlNzktOTY5YS00M2YwLWFiZmItZjRhNjgyZWE0OTA1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTA4OTk3Nzcw._V1_.jpg) Or this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2I2ZjkwZWMtYjUwZC00MDE5LTlkM2MtNWQ2MThkZDlkMWVkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDIyNjA2MTk@._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2I2ZjkwZWMtYjUwZC00MDE5LTlkM2MtNWQ2MThkZDlkMWVkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDIyNjA2MTk@._V1_.jpg) Or this? Seriously?
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Post by SciFive on Apr 23, 2023 17:38:14 GMT
The biggest problem I have with this deleted scene is this line of dialogue: "(Lieutenant Elliot) told me they've really gone over the place with a fine tooth comb and they didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary." No evidence at all of this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODIxYTI3YzUtMjk5MS00OWYxLTg0Y2QtZmI3NjQyYWE1ZDRkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTAzNTg1NjU4._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODIxYTI3YzUtMjk5MS00OWYxLTg0Y2QtZmI3NjQyYWE1ZDRkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTAzNTg1NjU4._V1_.jpg) Or this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZWE4OThlNzktOTY5YS00M2YwLWFiZmItZjRhNjgyZWE0OTA1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTA4OTk3Nzcw._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZWE4OThlNzktOTY5YS00M2YwLWFiZmItZjRhNjgyZWE0OTA1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTA4OTk3Nzcw._V1_.jpg) Or this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2I2ZjkwZWMtYjUwZC00MDE5LTlkM2MtNWQ2MThkZDlkMWVkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDIyNjA2MTk@._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2I2ZjkwZWMtYjUwZC00MDE5LTlkM2MtNWQ2MThkZDlkMWVkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDIyNjA2MTk@._V1_.jpg) Or this? Seriously? Maybe the owners had “cleaners” meant to hide what they knew was spooky about the hotel.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 23, 2023 17:54:38 GMT
The biggest problem I have with this deleted scene is this line of dialogue: "(Lieutenant Elliot) told me they've really gone over the place with a fine tooth comb and they didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary." No evidence at all of this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODIxYTI3YzUtMjk5MS00OWYxLTg0Y2QtZmI3NjQyYWE1ZDRkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTAzNTg1NjU4._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BODIxYTI3YzUtMjk5MS00OWYxLTg0Y2QtZmI3NjQyYWE1ZDRkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTAzNTg1NjU4._V1_.jpg) Or this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZWE4OThlNzktOTY5YS00M2YwLWFiZmItZjRhNjgyZWE0OTA1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTA4OTk3Nzcw._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZWE4OThlNzktOTY5YS00M2YwLWFiZmItZjRhNjgyZWE0OTA1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTA4OTk3Nzcw._V1_.jpg) Or this? ![https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2I2ZjkwZWMtYjUwZC00MDE5LTlkM2MtNWQ2MThkZDlkMWVkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDIyNjA2MTk@._V1_.jpg](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BM2I2ZjkwZWMtYjUwZC00MDE5LTlkM2MtNWQ2MThkZDlkMWVkXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDIyNjA2MTk@._V1_.jpg) Or this? Seriously? He was talking about the supernatural stuff she saw, like the elevator of blood and the skeleton party.
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Post by alpha128 on Apr 23, 2023 17:55:29 GMT
The biggest problem I have with this deleted scene is this line of dialogue: "(Lieutenant Elliot) told me they've really gone over the place with a fine tooth comb and they didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary." Maybe the owners had “cleaners” meant to hide what they knew was spooky about the hotel. The owners would have to be C.I.A., or O.S.I., to get that mess cleaned up so quickly and so thoroughly.
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Post by alpha128 on Apr 23, 2023 18:14:10 GMT
The biggest problem I have with this deleted scene is this line of dialogue: "(Lieutenant Elliot) told me they've really gone over the place with a fine tooth comb and they didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary." He was talking about the supernatural stuff she saw, like the elevator of blood and the skeleton party. Maybe. But I would argue that the vagueness of this line leaves a lot open to interpretation. The body of Dick Hallorann is not even mentioned, and I wouldn't expect the words "didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary" to be applied to a crime scene.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 23, 2023 18:27:25 GMT
www.yahoo.com/entertainment/s/lost-ending-the-shining-photos-123487932632.html"In short, the epilogue suggests that Ullman is a participant in the hotel’s supernatural evil, and that he is a conspirator in keeping its deadly secrets. Shelley Duvall said in Kubrick: The Definitive Edition that she believed the cut scene was crucial in explaining “some things that are obscure for the public, like the importance of the yellow ball and the role of the hotel manager in the plot.” "There was one more element to the deleted ending. After the camera zoomed in on the photograph of Jack, a title card was to appear, reading: “The Overlook Hotel would survive this tragedy, as it had so many others. It is still open each year from May 20th to September 20th. It is closed for the winter.” Once again, this reinforces that the hotel itself is evil. But what are those “many other” tragedies?"
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 23, 2023 19:14:46 GMT
He was talking about the supernatural stuff she saw, like the elevator of blood and the skeleton party. Maybe. But I would argue that the vagueness of this line leaves a lot open to interpretation. The body of Dick Hallorann is not even mentioned, and I wouldn't expect the words "didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary" to be applied to a crime scene. I don't think there's any "maybe" about it. He said Danny's adjusting well "all things considered", and says it's understandable Wendy would imagine things after "what she's been through". To what is he referring to if they hadn't found the bodies, and why is no one asking follow up questions about the disappearance of her husband, let alone offering her a place to stay? Jack going crazy with an axe is self evident. The "silly" investigation was about the supernatural stuff she saw, thus nothing is out of the ordinary in THAT regard.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 23, 2023 19:27:50 GMT
Maybe. But I would argue that the vagueness of this line leaves a lot open to interpretation. The body of Dick Hallorann is not even mentioned, and I wouldn't expect the words "didn't find the slightest evidence of anything at all out of the ordinary" to be applied to a crime scene. I don't think there's any "maybe" about it. He said Danny's adjusting well "all things considered", and says it's understandable Wendy would imagine things after "what she's been through". To what is he referring to if they hadn't found the bodies, and why is no one asking follow up questions about the disappearance of her husband, let alone offering her a place to stay? Jack going crazy with an axe is self evident. The "silly" investigation was about the supernatural stuff she saw, thus nothing is out of the ordinary in THAT regard. If he was part of the evil, his invitation for Wendy and Danny to stay at his house was more than a little creepy.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 23, 2023 20:35:13 GMT
It sounds like the police investigation is more for the supernatural stuff and not with what happened with Jack, Halloran, Wendy, and Danny.
The stuff with Grady and his family wasn't covered up or undiscovered before so there is no reason to have a cover up or no discovery with Jack and Halloran. Wendy and Danny would look crazy if a police investigation was done for Jack and Halloran and both men weren't found along with the chopped doors, REDRUM, etc..
If Ullman and others are part of the evil stuff happening at the hotel, they would want to use what happened with Jack and Halloran to be a distraction to cover up any of the supernatural stuff from being discovered.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 23, 2023 23:33:35 GMT
I like the final line in the title card, "It is closed for the winter." A little creepy. But it is unnecessary. extra information. I can see why Duvall felt otherwise since she would care about how her character is presented. But I think the idea was to focus on the hotel and the sense that it had absorbed Jack or whatever. That was more important than whether or not the police found evidence or the fate of Danny and Wendy ultimately. Leaving it a mystery might be a negative but it is more haunting and weird and works better in pacing. Jack is frozen and then frozen in time. I think it makes more sense. Ending with that Ullman guy--that is sooo cliched--there are a number of haunted house movies where it ends with the caretaker guy saying to the audience "why don't you spend a night here?" It is better as it is. Unless they ended with the camera moving slowly along the floor towards the bathtub of room 237 and a figure within.... I would be squirming if they did that.
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Post by ck100 on Apr 24, 2023 2:13:27 GMT
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Post by alpha128 on Apr 24, 2023 3:00:23 GMT
It sounds like the police investigation is more for the supernatural stuff and not with what happened with Jack, Halloran, Wendy, and Danny. Not necessarily, in the link you posted: That was my impression as well from reading the script pages. If a film critic of Roger Ebert's stature is confused, then the dialogue is probably too vague.
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Post by novastar6 on Apr 24, 2023 5:11:32 GMT
www.yahoo.com/entertainment/s/lost-ending-the-shining-photos-123487932632.html" In short, the epilogue suggests that Ullman is a participant in the hotel’s supernatural evil, and that he is a conspirator in keeping its deadly secrets. Shelley Duvall said in Kubrick: The Definitive Edition that she believed the cut scene was crucial in explaining “some things that are obscure for the public, like the importance of the yellow ball and the role of the hotel manager in the plot.” "There was one more element to the deleted ending. After the camera zoomed in on the photograph of Jack, a title card was to appear, reading: “The Overlook Hotel would survive this tragedy, as it had so many others. It is still open each year from May 20th to September 20th. It is closed for the winter.” Once again, this reinforces that the hotel itself is evil. But what are those “many other” tragedies?"
Sounds similar to the ending of The Resort, except now the 'in' thing is for that character to turn out to be the evil spirit behind everything and kills the only living witness.
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Post by tommyrockarolla on Apr 24, 2023 7:42:37 GMT
I find the original ending much more satisfying. (The uncut one). The way Kubrick told the story, it really didn’t need a ‘wrap up’, IMO. Had the film stayed closer to Kings book, possibly.
On top of the obvious “Ghost/Horror” scenes, which would have been necessary in any version of this film? There is always an almost unique, subconscious surrealism in Kubricks work. I believe the ‘back to reality’ explanations would have broken the subtle vibe which exists mostly throughout the film, and tagging it on the end may have been a little jarring. Quietly, but still……
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Apr 25, 2023 20:15:00 GMT
Another deleted scene has Jack finding a scrapbook which contains pictures and newspaper articles about the sordid past of the hotel. It looks like this takes place as he's throwing the ball around and looking at the maze model. Jack sees pictures/articles in the scrapbook involving Grady which helps further explain how he later recognizes him in the bathroom. ![](https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7d51f6c/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5000x3266+0+0/resize/768x502!/format/webp/quality/80/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1f%2F2d%2F5445aa9d4394b2f450232b6c0b28%2F154ascrapbookkubricktheshiningce66983.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/nhnvfr2c/vlcsnap-2023-04-23-22h19m52s287.png) ![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d1add22a5204e9c19463e539f0e1c140/tumblr_pnpx6wmuFj1r858p5o1_1280.jpg) The Scrapbook was a big part of the novel. That Scrapbook was how the Hotel "got" Jack. When he started reading it, he began to change.
And the part about The Overlook "cleaning up" and there being no evidence of Jack's madness is silly. The Overlook didn't clean up Delbert Grady's mess
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Post by mgmarshall on Apr 26, 2023 7:56:58 GMT
Never thought that ending sounded all that effective. Just feels tacked on, though maybe my perception is tainted by years of being used to the original ending.
Unlike the book or miniseries, the movie is almost solely concerned with the hotel's hold on Jack. And we end the instant that conflict is finished. The hotel ate him and now he's at the New Year's Party forever. Sure, you can analyze the movie to death, but if you take the whole thing as literal, that's it. The ghosts got him, story's over.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 13, 2024 14:07:46 GMT
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 13, 2024 17:31:25 GMT
Another deleted scene has Jack finding a scrapbook which contains pictures and newspaper articles about the sordid past of the hotel. It looks like this takes place as he's throwing the ball around and looking at the maze model. Jack sees pictures/articles in the scrapbook involving Grady which helps further explain how he later recognizes him in the bathroom. ![](https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/7d51f6c/2147483647/strip/true/crop/5000x3266+0+0/resize/768x502!/format/webp/quality/80/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1f%2F2d%2F5445aa9d4394b2f450232b6c0b28%2F154ascrapbookkubricktheshiningce66983.jpg) ![](https://i.postimg.cc/nhnvfr2c/vlcsnap-2023-04-23-22h19m52s287.png) ![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/d1add22a5204e9c19463e539f0e1c140/tumblr_pnpx6wmuFj1r858p5o1_1280.jpg) That's one thing I always just assumed Jack investigated himself between his job interview and drive up with Wendy and Danny.
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