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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 5, 2017 14:54:04 GMT
Find me one person on this board besides you and me My point was that I don't think the 30 people on this board constitute widespread anything. Just relax. It's looking good. I am relaxed but, I'm also dazed and confused. SaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 14:56:27 GMT
Since when is that the "widespread consensus"?
The film is directly about a street level hero taking on people who are involved with cleaning up the destruction from Avengers conflicts, and the widespread consensus is that it's looking just fine.
Find me one person on this board besides you and me who doesn't have at least one issue with Spider-Man Homecoming based on the marketing. It's the same on all of the other boards I frequent as well. A lot of "fans" would seem to prefer Spider-Man be a solo character who is disconnected from the Marvel Universe. This attitude baffles me considering that the Fantastic Four appears in issue number 1 of the Amazing Spider-Man, Doctor Doom was in issue number 5, the Human Torch was in issue number 8, Daredevil was in issue number 16 and so on and so on... People hate the new tech in the suit but, look at the cover of Amazing Spider-Man number 22. Every tech-gag seen in the Homecoming trailers was actually a thing from the comic books (sans the heaters). I get that people don't like Tony influencing Peter. That's actually the only aspect of Homecoming I'm even moderately concerned about. Peter did learn most of the essential lessons about being a Super-Hero on his own. However, I don't think it's beyond reason to think that he might want to be a part of something bigger than himself at first (i.e., the Avengers). People are entitled to their own opinion but, I feel like a lot of this bitching and moaning is coming from a place of complete ignorance and conditioning brought on by Sony's previous entries in the franchise. I'm sincerely trying to understand their point of view. SaveSaveConsider myself found. I did have an issue with the tech, but i don't anymore. I though about it and it makes sense that they mix up the timeline and this is both the young Peter Parker and the Civil war stories, so no problems there. I always loved the cross over stories with spidey and other heros (bag-man is priceless). It's a shame that the Human torch isn't in the MCU... It's a big part of what makes Spider-Man unique is the difference there is between him, and his stance in battle and life against the more serious heroes. I liked a lot what they did in CW and I'm looking forward to IW because he is in it. I want to see him in a big ensemble movie, but we need to see the daily life, the grounded adventures to really apreciate it. I'm more than excited for homecoming, I think it's going to be a big surprise...
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 5, 2017 15:02:24 GMT
My point was that I don't think the 30 people on this board constitute widespread anything. Just relax. It's looking good. I am relaxed but, I'm also dazed and confused. SaveSaveMe too. What I do is just promote everything positive and stop bumping pointless negative crap by commenting on it.
Your thread title for instance. It just contributes to the negative vibe. People come to the board and see a thread titled how bad spiderman is being received. Stop doing that.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 5, 2017 15:24:52 GMT
Find me one person on this board besides you and me who doesn't have at least one issue with Spider-Man Homecoming based on the marketing. It's the same on all of the other boards I frequent as well. A lot of "fans" would seem to prefer Spider-Man be a solo character who is disconnected from the Marvel Universe. This attitude baffles me considering that the Fantastic Four appears in issue number 1 of the Amazing Spider-Man, Doctor Doom was in issue number 5, the Human Torch was in issue number 8, Daredevil was in issue number 16 and so on and so on... People hate the new tech in the suit but, look at the cover of Amazing Spider-Man number 22. Every tech-gag seen in the Homecoming trailers was actually a thing from the comic books (sans the heaters). I get that people don't like Tony influencing Peter. That's actually the only aspect of Homecoming I'm even moderately concerned about. Peter did learn most of the essential lessons about being a Super-Hero on his own. However, I don't think it's beyond reason to think that he might want to be a part of something bigger than himself at first (i.e., the Avengers). People are entitled to their own opinion but, I feel like a lot of this bitching and moaning is coming from a place of complete ignorance and conditioning brought on by Sony's previous entries in the franchise. I'm sincerely trying to understand their point of view. SaveSaveConsider myself found. I did have an issue with the tech, but i don't anymore. I though about it and it makes sense that they mix up the timeline and this is both the young Peter Parker and the Civil war stories, so no problems there. I always loved the cross over stories with spidey and other heros (bag-man is priceless). It's a shame that the Human torch isn't in the MCU... It's a big part of what makes Spider-Man unique is the difference there is between him, and his stance in battle and life against the more serious heroes. I liked a lot what they did in CW and I'm looking forward to IW because he is in it. I want to see him in a big ensemble movie, but we need to see the daily life, the grounded adventures to really apreciate it. I'm more than excited for homecoming, I think it's going to be a big surprise... That really is a shame, Peter and Johnny's bromance is the stuff of legends. SaveSave
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 5, 2017 15:44:17 GMT
I am relaxed but, I'm also dazed and confused. SaveSaveMe too. What I do is just promote everything positive and stop bumping pointless negative crap by commenting on it.
Your thread title for instance. It just contributes to the negative vibe. People come to the board and see a thread titled how bad spiderman is being received. Stop doing that.
I consider myself to be an ambassador for my fandom. I do my best to share what makes Marvel characters and the MCU so thrilling and unique to me with others. On the whole, I think most Marvel fans share the same ethos. Other fandoms, which shall remain nameless, tend to lean on their popularity and iconic stature from past decades. It's as if you're an idiot if you don't know and love their characters and stories via osmosis. This is why I'm not concerned with other fandoms beyond a casual interest and why I don't compare them to the MCU. God bless your fandom, may it rake in many dollars and break the Tomatometer every time out. I don't care about any of that; I would bleed to keep the red in the Marvel logo red because they've earned my allegiance. What I do insist on is an open and honest discussion of legitimate flaws in the MCU and fan grievances. SaveSave
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jun 5, 2017 16:01:11 GMT
Find me one person on this board besides you and me who doesn't have at least one issue with Spider-Man Homecoming based on the marketing. i'm not down on it. this is still poised to be the first True to Print budgeted live action Spidey. something even the great Sam Raimi couldn't quite nail. i mean, the poster sucks, but who cares. the worry that Iron Man will be a moviehog is understandable but i get why they've included him. the most troubling thing for me is Sony and their nebulous amount of involvement with the project. i'm still salty about those hackjob ASM films.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 5, 2017 16:55:42 GMT
Find me one person on this board besides you and me who doesn't have at least one issue with Spider-Man Homecoming based on the marketing. i'm not down on it. this is still poised to be the first True to Print budgeted live action Spidey. something even the great Sam Raimi couldn't quite nail. i mean, the poster sucks, but who cares. the worry that Iron Man will be a moviehog is understandable but i get why they've included him. the most troubling thing for me is Sony and their nebulous amount of involvement with the project. i'm still salty about those hackjob ASM films. I agree with you regarding Sony's involvement but, credit where credit is due, they gave us two f the best super-hero films ever made (Spider-Man I and II). If Homecoming turns out to be bad, I'm not going to lay the blame solely at their feet. It's obvious that Sony and Marvel rushed Homecoming into production but, I think they've done a hell of a job in establishing a tone and direction that has never been done before and yet still feels true to the character. It's by no means a literal translation but, it suggests the spirit of the early comics and I think that's commendable. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 17:47:07 GMT
Uh... Huh??? This is all a bit random, isn't it? Who says I'm not enjoying it? I am. I just don't have much interest for Homecoming. But since you mentioned Godfather... Out of curiousity do you really like Part Three? Also, I've been meaning to buy Isolation. Not sure why you brought it up, but thanks for the reminder!
I just brought up Alien Isolation because I happened to see it on my PlayStation menu and I wanted to promote it. Fucking great game.
Allow me to return the favor and offer a few recommendations to you... Being an obvious fan of Good, Bad, Ugly you absolutely have to watch these movies if you haven't already: Fistful of Dollars For a Few Dollars More Once Upon a Time in the West
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 5, 2017 21:48:35 GMT
I consider myself to be an ambassador for my fandom. I do my best to share what makes Marvel characters and the MCU so thrilling and unique to me with others. On the whole, I think most Marvel fans share the same ethos. Other fandoms, which shall remain nameless, tend to lean on their popularity and iconic stature from past decades. It's as if you're an idiot if you don't know and love their characters and stories via osmosis. This is why I'm not concerned with other fandoms beyond a casual interest and why I don't compare them to the MCU. God bless your fandom, may it rake in many dollars and break the Tomatometer every time out. I don't care about any of that; I would bleed to keep the red in the Marvel logo red because they've earned my allegiance. What I do insist on is an open and honest discussion of legitimate flaws in the MCU and fan grievances. SaveSaveI actually agree, and great post! Although I don't really find any legitimate flaws in the MCU.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 5, 2017 21:52:07 GMT
Allow me to return the favor and offer a few recommendations to you... Being an obvious fan of Good, Bad, Ugly you absolutely have to watch these movies if you haven't already: Fistful of Dollars For a Few Dollars More Once Upon a Time in the West Gracias, although I've seen the dollars trilogy and love each one with TGTB&TU topping the cake, I have not actually seen Once Upon A Time in the West and will definitely have to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 21:52:13 GMT
My point was that I don't think the 30 people on this board constitute widespread anything. Just relax. It's looking good. I am relaxed but, I'm also dazed and confused. SaveSaveI've been dazed and confused for so long it's not true! Wanted a woman never bargained for you!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 21:54:35 GMT
Allow me to return the favor and offer a few recommendations to you... Being an obvious fan of Good, Bad, Ugly you absolutely have to watch these movies if you haven't already: Fistful of Dollars For a Few Dollars More Once Upon a Time in the West Gracias, although I've seen the dollars trilogy and love each one with TGTB&TU topping the cake, I have not actually seen Once Upon A Time in the West and will definitely have to do so. See it! TODAY! Seriously it's like the unofficial fourth movie in a quadrilogy. Though it doesn't feature Eastwood it is very similar due it to being a Sergio Leone movie with an Ennio Moricconne score. I promise you will freakin love it!
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Post by spooner5020 on Jun 5, 2017 23:58:41 GMT
It seems that the widespread consensus, sight unseen, for Spider-Man Homecoming is that that this new approach is a turn-off. Most of the complaints I am hearing and reading revolve around the coming of age story, the presence of Iron Man and a marketing campaign that shows too much skin. In the face of that, I have to ask the naysayers this: What in God's name did you want to see in a new Spider-Man movie that hasn't been covered thoroughly by the previous franchises? My guess is stuff featuring clones, Carnage or the Sinister Six - none of which I am interested in. For me, Homecoming is going to mix the best of two genres I love - the super-hero origin and a coming of age story. Sigh... In any event, for those of you who don't mind serious spoilers, enjoy these gifts from Atomica: I don't get what people are complaining about. Spidey is back with marvel finally and all people can do is complain? This looks exactly what a Spider-Man movie should look like. While the Rami movies were good they weren't Spider-Man movies. They were just Rami movies. Amazing Spider-Man sucked I thought. 1 and 2 by the way. Andrew Garfield seemed to be playing an Emo Peter Parker and I certainly don't remember peter being Emo in the comics. I don't know why Garfield gets so much praise. Spidey in Civil war was exactly how I remembered Spider-Man in the comics and it just shows how much Marvel cares for the character. Everyone's complaints about the movie are just downright silly. Iron man helped Spidey some in the comics so what's the problem here. From what I heard also he's only gonna be in the movie for 15 minutes. The suit Peter has is also in the comics so they are clearly just grabbing elements from the comics so what's wrong with that? Also I wouldn't call this a reboot. It's not exactly starting anything over since Peter has been Spider-Man for a while now when the movie starts. I could maybe even say it's a loose continuation on the Amazing Spider-Man (as much as I hate saying that). Yes casting is a little odd,but this is Marvel we're talking about after all. Name one casting choice they messed up on and no Ancient One does not count because that worked amazingly. Also you aren't making any Spider-Man movies so what do you guys know? Marvel knows the character better than anyone since they created him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 15:59:47 GMT
Gracias, although I've seen the dollars trilogy and love each one with TGTB&TU topping the cake, I have not actually seen Once Upon A Time in the West and will definitely have to do so. See it! TODAY! Seriously it's like the unofficial fourth movie in a quadrilogy. Though it doesn't feature Eastwood it is very similar due it to being a Sergio Leone movie with an Ennio Moricconne score. I promise you will freakin love it! Once upon a Time in the West may be the best western ever made. To me it is. And to me its one of the best movies ever made. That Ennio Morricone's score didnt get an Oscar is freaking disgrace. (And I didnt use freaking) And Claudia Cardinale... Oh my...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 16:01:12 GMT
I started a thread about this earlier. I have my doubts about this one because it feels rushed to me.
But in Marvel I trust.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 6, 2017 16:15:31 GMT
I started a thread about this earlier. I have my doubts about this one because it feels rushed to me. But in Marvel I trust. If it feels rushed, that is likely because it was rushed... I don't think anyone would dispute that. Once Marvel and Sony saw the overwhelmingly positive reaction to Tom Holland, they decided to make a new Spider-Man movie a high priority for the studio(s). That said, the trailers don't look like a rushed production to me. It appears that even in the limited amount of time Sony and Marvel had - they pulled something together that looks and feels thoughtfully considered - to my eye. Does it have some flaws, yes? Some of the marketing and an over-reliance on Iron Man come to mind. That said, remember the huge negative outcry from fans after seeing Spider-Man at the end of the Civil War trailer? Oh boohoohoo, the costume is all wrong. Boohoohoo, why are the eyes expressive? It's a Deadpool rip-off. Boohoohoo, he looks too animated. And then Civil War came out, and we got our socks knocked right the fuck off. Hoping for something similar here... SaveSave
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 6, 2017 16:22:01 GMT
I started a thread about this earlier. I have my doubts about this one because it feels rushed to me. But in Marvel I trust. If it feels rushed, that is likely because it was rushed... I don't think anyone would dispute that. Once Marvel and Sony saw the overwhelmingly positive reaction to Tom Holland, they decided to make a new Spider-Man movie a high priority for the studio(s). That said, the trailers don't look like a rushed production to me. It appears that even in the limited amount of time Sony and Marvel had - they pulled something together that looks and feels thoughtfully considered - to my eye. Does it have some flaws, yes? Some of the marketing and an over-reliance on Iron Man come to mind. That said, remember the huge negative outcry from fans after seeing Spider-Man at the end of the Civil War trailer? Oh boohoohoo, the costume is all wrong. Boohoohoo, why are the eyes expressive? It's a Deadpool rip-off. Boohoohoo, he looks too animated. And then Civil War came out, and we got our socks knocked right the fuck off. Hoping for something similar here... SaveSaveIf I'm not mistaken, Marvel and Sony announced Spider-Man will appear in the MCU in February 2015 and that he would get his own feature movie for a late July 2017 release date. Tom Holland was cast as Peter Parker months later. We're now in 2017, that was 2 years ago. I don't feel this movie is forced at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 16:28:10 GMT
I started a thread about this earlier. I have my doubts about this one because it feels rushed to me. But in Marvel I trust. If it feels rushed, that is likely because it was rushed... I don't think anyone would dispute that. Once Marvel and Sony saw the overwhelmingly positive reaction to Tom Holland, they decided to make a new Spider-Man movie a high priority for the studio(s). That said, the trailers don't look like a rushed production to me. It appears that even in the limited amount of time Sony and Marvel had - they pulled something together that looks and feels thoughtfully considered - to my eye. Does it have some flaws, yes? Some of the marketing and an over-reliance on Iron Man come to mind. That said, remember the huge negative outcry from fans after seeing Spider-Man at the end of the Civil War trailer? Oh boohoohoo, the costume is all wrong. Boohoohoo, why are the eyes expressive? It's a Deadpool rip-off. Boohoohoo, he looks too animated. And then Civil War came out, and we got our socks knocked right the fuck off. Hoping for something similar here... SaveSaveThat why I said: In Marvel I trust
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Post by miike80 on Jun 6, 2017 17:32:08 GMT
See it! TODAY! Seriously it's like the unofficial fourth movie in a quadrilogy. Though it doesn't feature Eastwood it is very similar due it to being a Sergio Leone movie with an Ennio Moricconne score. I promise you will freakin love it! Once upon a Time in the West may be the best western ever made. To me it is. And to me its one of the best movies ever made. That Ennio Morricone's score didnt get an Oscar is freaking disgrace. (And I didnt use freaking) And Claudia Cardinale... Oh my... If i were alive at the Oscars that i would have lost hope in the Academy for not even nominating the score! And Morricone winning his first score(he has one for the entire career) Oscar it's a fucking disgrace
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Post by miike80 on Jun 6, 2017 17:33:21 GMT
See it! TODAY! Seriously it's like the unofficial fourth movie in a quadrilogy. Though it doesn't feature Eastwood it is very similar due it to being a Sergio Leone movie with an Ennio Moricconne score. I promise you will freakin love it! Once upon a Time in the West may be the best western ever made. To me it is. And to me its one of the best movies ever made. That Ennio Morricone's score didnt get an Oscar is freaking disgrace. (And I didnt use freaking) And Claudia Cardinale... Oh my... And Once upon A time is my favorite western of all time and in my top 5 movies of all time
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