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Post by scabab on May 15, 2023 0:11:39 GMT
Phase 4 was definitely the weakest when it came to movies.
Phase 1 was maybe the weakest before that? But then it did have Iron Man and The Avengers. The others were still decent enough.
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Post by Skaathar on May 15, 2023 2:21:33 GMT
Look dude, phase 4 is universally the most hated MCU phase. Suck it up and get over it. It was better than most of Phases 1 and 2. The only reason Phase 4 is being given a nastier look is because it decided to not be a White Nationalist's paradise anymore. These "bad movies" would have been seen as good back in Phases 1 and 2. Phase 4 is universally the most hated MCU phase. Suck it up and get over it.
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Post by pennypacker on May 15, 2023 3:21:25 GMT
Agreed, it tells us you have no idea what you're talking about. It's more about how disloyal, fickle and ungrateful the "fans" have become. “Disloyal”? “Ungrateful”? 😂😂
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Post by formersamhmd on May 15, 2023 3:47:56 GMT
It was better than most of Phases 1 and 2. The only reason Phase 4 is being given a nastier look is because it decided to not be a White Nationalist's paradise anymore. These "bad movies" would have been seen as good back in Phases 1 and 2. Phase 4 is universally the most hated MCU phase. Suck it up and get over it. It's still better than the majority of Phases 1 and 2, so if there's hate it's unwarranted.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 15, 2023 3:48:13 GMT
It's more about how disloyal, fickle and ungrateful the "fans" have become. “Disloyal”? “Ungrateful”? 😂😂 Yes and yes.
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Post by Skaathar on May 15, 2023 7:01:33 GMT
Phase 4 is universally the most hated MCU phase. Suck it up and get over it. It's still better than the majority of Phases 1 and 2, so if there's hate it's unwarranted. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you'd need to be extremely arrogant to think that your opinion is more correct than the collective response of critics and audiences to phase 4... which is that it's the worst phase of the MCU. So suck it up and move on.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 15, 2023 7:57:39 GMT
I wish they didn't double down on the shows so much.
Granted that's probably Disney fault more than Feige since Disney wanted more exclusive content for their streaming service.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 15, 2023 12:20:24 GMT
It's still better than the majority of Phases 1 and 2, so if there's hate it's unwarranted. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but you'd need to be extremely arrogant to think that your opinion is more correct than the collective response of critics and audiences to phase 4... which is that it's the worst phase of the MCU. So suck it up and move on. Funny, that "collective response" used to think DC was untouchable until BvS came out. Then look at they had to eat crow.
So yeah, the ingrates complaining about Phase 4 while ignoring all the flaws in Phases 1 and 2 are not something I'm just going to "go with the flow" on.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 16:50:09 GMT
It's more about how disloyal, fickle and ungrateful the "fans" have become. “Disloyal”? “Ungrateful”? 😂😂 He just unintentionally explained everything that drives fanboys like him. To think we are obligated to be “loyal” to a franchise and “grateful” for a product, even when its bad. Shills like him kill me. 😂
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 16:54:43 GMT
I wish they didn't double down on the shows so much. Granted that's probably Disney fault more than Feige since Disney wanted more exclusive content for their streaming service. I wonder if there will be a tell-all someday from people behind the scenes. Something like that probably won’t happen for decades, but I would bet anything the idea of making tv shows was forced on Feige.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 15, 2023 17:10:37 GMT
“Disloyal”? “Ungrateful”? 😂😂 He just unintentionally explained everything that drives fanboys like him. To think we are obligated to be “loyal” to a franchise and “grateful” for a product, even when its bad. Shills like him kill me. 😂 Maybe, I just find the whole "This one movie has destroyed their entire reputation!" thing a little silly. Like with Taiki Waititi. The guy gives us gold like "What We do in the Shadows" and "JoJo Rabbit", then he does Love and Thunder and all of a sudden it's like nothing he did before matters and all we're supposed to focus on is that one film. Or Joel Schumacher. The guy did Lost Boys and A Time to Kill and Falling Down, but all he seemed to be remembered for was Batman and Robin (which wasn't even his fault). I always hated that "You're only as good as your last action" stance. It's totally unfair.
The MCU puts out nothing genuinely bad, just a bit mediocre, and suddenly it's all "Eh, I never liked the MCU in the first place. It's all bad"
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 15, 2023 18:16:52 GMT
So it's an agreement then? Disney+ ruined the MCU!
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2023 19:02:56 GMT
So it's an agreement then? Disney+ ruined the MCU! Absolutely!
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Post by Skaathar on May 15, 2023 21:19:34 GMT
He just unintentionally explained everything that drives fanboys like him. To think we are obligated to be “loyal” to a franchise and “grateful” for a product, even when its bad. Shills like him kill me. 😂 Maybe, I just find the whole "This one movie has destroyed their entire reputation!" thing a little silly. Like with Taiki Waititi. The guy gives us gold like "What We do in the Shadows" and "JoJo Rabbit", then he does Love and Thunder and all of a sudden it's like nothing he did before matters and all we're supposed to focus on is that one film. Or Joel Schumacher. The guy did Lost Boys and A Time to Kill and Falling Down, but all he seemed to be remembered for was Batman and Robin (which wasn't even his fault). I always hated that "You're only as good as your last action" stance. It's totally unfair.
The MCU puts out nothing genuinely bad, just a bit mediocre, and suddenly it's all "Eh, I never liked the MCU in the first place. It's all bad"
Welcome to the adult world, kid. You'll find the same pattern in pretty much any profession out there. You can do a perfectly good job for years then get fired all because you made one big mistake.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 15, 2023 23:45:06 GMT
You've got the wrong guy. WandaVision was boring. I hated Moon Knight with a passion, more than She-Hulk, because I actually had expectations for it. I actually enjoyed She-Hulk as a gonzo comedy until the finale destroyed continuity and made me wonder what the point of watching was. I could only get through one episode of Ms. Marvel before deciding it wasn't for me. F&TWS lost steam as it went along, though I'd still say it was decent overall. What If was hit or miss. Loki was pretty good. Hawkeye is my favorite Disney+ show. All of this is cataloged right here on this message board, it's not like I made some about face and followed the crowd because She-Hulk sucked. Are you aware of your own hypocrisy? You pretend people aren't 'fans' because they criticize some of the projects, while you yourself criticize some of the projects. (How many times are you going to insist phase four was better than much of phase one and two?) Why does every argument you make seem like it was aimed at someone else? Stop using us as a proxy for haters on some other website. I thought WandaVision was a better adaptation of "Dark Phoenix" than any FOX-Men attempt. She-Hulk destroyed continuity no more than Deadpool ever did.
I criticize them without writing off the entirely of the D+ series as worthless, and I keep saying that about Phase 4 because I'm sick of all the "Phase 4 completely sucked in every way!" talk when truthfully you could apply that to Phases 1 and 2 as well.
You want to say "I liked some of Phase 4 but it just can't live up to Phase 3" then go ahead, just don't jump on the Buffoon Hater Bandwagon and expect to get away with it.
If you're going to troll, at least put in the effort. Everyone knows the FOX-Men movies didn't have rock solid continuity, that's what the Deadpool movies joked about and nobody complained about them because it was spot-on commentary. She-Hulk though was working from a fairly consistent continuity that didn't need to worry about rights and contract issues.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 16, 2023 1:06:25 GMT
I thought WandaVision was a better adaptation of "Dark Phoenix" than any FOX-Men attempt. She-Hulk destroyed continuity no more than Deadpool ever did.
I criticize them without writing off the entirely of the D+ series as worthless, and I keep saying that about Phase 4 because I'm sick of all the "Phase 4 completely sucked in every way!" talk when truthfully you could apply that to Phases 1 and 2 as well.
You want to say "I liked some of Phase 4 but it just can't live up to Phase 3" then go ahead, just don't jump on the Buffoon Hater Bandwagon and expect to get away with it.
If you're going to troll, at least put in the effort. Everyone knows the FOX-Men movies didn't have rock solid continuity, that's what the Deadpool movies joked about and nobody complained about them because it was spot-on commentary. She-Hulk though was working from a fairly consistent continuity that didn't need to worry about rights and contract issues. She-Hulk did what her own comics always did. This isn't trolling, it's pointing out double standards. Even if FoX-Men's continuity was rock-solid, the audiences would've still thought DP's commentary was funny.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 16, 2023 12:28:01 GMT
He just unintentionally explained everything that drives fanboys like him. To think we are obligated to be “loyal” to a franchise and “grateful” for a product, even when its bad. Shills like him kill me. 😂 Maybe, I just find the whole "This one movie has destroyed their entire reputation!" thing a little silly. Like with Taiki Waititi. The guy gives us gold like "What We do in the Shadows" and "JoJo Rabbit", then he does Love and Thunder and all of a sudden it's like nothing he did before matters and all we're supposed to focus on is that one film. Or Joel Schumacher. The guy did Lost Boys and A Time to Kill and Falling Down, but all he seemed to be remembered for was Batman and Robin (which wasn't even his fault). I always hated that "You're only as good as your last action" stance. It's totally unfair.
The MCU puts out nothing genuinely bad, just a bit mediocre, and suddenly it's all "Eh, I never liked the MCU in the first place. It's all bad"
Nobody said this. Why do you always argue against things nobody said?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 16, 2023 12:59:20 GMT
I wish they didn't double down on the shows so much. Granted that's probably Disney fault more than Feige since Disney wanted more exclusive content for their streaming service. I wonder if there will be a tell-all someday from people behind the scenes. Something like that probably won’t happen for decades, but I would bet anything the idea of making tv shows was forced on Feige. We will probably never going to get the full true story, unless someone is willing to nuke a lot of bridges in the industry. That or if Disney goes completely under and is destroyed. God please let Disney get destroyed! Someone has to bring an end to their evil capitalistic Empire!
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Post by scabab on May 16, 2023 17:32:38 GMT
So yeah, the ingrates complaining about Phase 4 while ignoring all the flaws in Phases 1 and 2 are not something I'm just going to "go with the flow" on. People regularly cited Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 amongst the weakest MCU movies, even now. Phase 4 is just considered even worse. That is the consensus whether it's liked or not.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 17, 2023 3:36:55 GMT
So yeah, the ingrates complaining about Phase 4 while ignoring all the flaws in Phases 1 and 2 are not something I'm just going to "go with the flow" on. People regularly cited Incredible Hulk, Captain America, Thor Dark World and Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 amongst the weakest MCU movies, even now. Phase 4 is just considered even worse. That is the consensus whether it's liked or not. Phase 1 were iconic characters from the ashes of nothing, with The Avengers 2012 making the build-up beyond worth our while. Phase 4 had Infinity Saga characters dumbed down for multiverse stuff.
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