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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2023 21:12:26 GMT
Phase Four should’ve built up to smaller team ups…
Dr Strange, Blade and Moon Knight movies lead to Midnight Suns
Captain Marvel 2, Guardians 3, Thor 4 and Eternals lead to The Annihlators
The rest of the Earth heroes join Sam in Captain America 4.
I would’ve loved to see something like that.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 19, 2023 21:17:59 GMT
They gave up. They lost. It wasn't their plan. The conflict is resolved by the villain seeing the error of his ways. The rest of the movie is complete gibberish. Makes sense you're a fan. Which is a lot more inventive than "Hit the bad guy till he dies", they win inadvertently through their nobility and dedication to one another convincing Gorr that he was the one in the wrong. Now you're changing your argument, though. At first IW sucked because Thor failed. I pointed out that he also failed in this movie, and you call it character development and 'more inventive.' He still failed, which was your original argument. He didn't actually do anything except quit; and as luck would have it, the villain felt bad for his dying girlfriend. "Hit the bad guy with supercharged teddy bears wielded by children until he dies" was 100% the plan here. It failed, much like this movie, and your argument.
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Post by Skaathar on May 19, 2023 23:44:06 GMT
Phase Four should’ve built up to smaller team ups… Dr Strange, Blade and Moon Knight movies lead to Midnight Suns Captain Marvel 2, Guardians 3, Thor 4 and Eternals lead to The Annihlators The rest of the Earth heroes join Sam in Captain America 4. I would’ve loved to see something like that. I think the D+ shows had the right idea: go small-scale and focus on more personal struggles. Problem is the D+ shows weren't written well enough to handle them. Probably best if they never had the D+ shows but instead made those the movies for Phase 4
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 0:43:01 GMT
Which is a lot more inventive than "Hit the bad guy till he dies", they win inadvertently through their nobility and dedication to one another convincing Gorr that he was the one in the wrong. Now you're changing your argument, though. At first IW sucked because Thor failed. I pointed out that he also failed in this movie, and you call it character development and 'more inventive.' He still failed, which was your original argument. He didn't actually do anything except quit; and as luck would have it, the villain felt bad for his dying girlfriend. "Hit the bad guy with supercharged teddy bears wielded by children until he dies" was 100% the plan here. It failed, much like this movie, and your argument. Thor failed in every way in IW and Endgame, in Love and Thunder he and Jane manage to succeed in a way neither expected to but still pulled it off via their nobility. This convinced Gorr, who felt Gods were all Ignoble, that his whole quest was wrongheaded to begin with.
You're just too annoyed by things like the shrieking Goats to pay attention to the deeper details.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 0:43:36 GMT
Phase Four should’ve built up to smaller team ups… Dr Strange, Blade and Moon Knight movies lead to Midnight Suns Captain Marvel 2, Guardians 3, Thor 4 and Eternals lead to The Annihlators The rest of the Earth heroes join Sam in Captain America 4. I would’ve loved to see something like that. I think the D+ shows had the right idea: go small-scale and focus on more personal struggles. Problem is the D+ shows weren't written well enough to handle them. Probably best if they never had the D+ shows but instead made those the movies for Phase 4 The D+ shows were better written than most of Phases 1 and 2, and FoX-Men and DCEU.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 0:48:53 GMT
Phase Four should’ve built up to smaller team ups… Dr Strange, Blade and Moon Knight movies lead to Midnight Suns Captain Marvel 2, Guardians 3, Thor 4 and Eternals lead to The Annihlators The rest of the Earth heroes join Sam in Captain America 4. I would’ve loved to see something like that. I think the D+ shows had the right idea: go small-scale and focus on more personal struggles. Problem is the D+ shows weren't written well enough to handle them. Probably best if they never had the D+ shows but instead made those the movies for Phase 4 If I were Feige my plan for D+ would’ve been to do things like an Odin prequel, or a Dora Milaje series. Basically shows that expand in a fun way you can’t do in movies. The biggest problem with developing major characters like Moon Knight and Wanda on a streaming service is that the majority of the general audience was never gonna watch all of that stuff. Heck, I’m a huge fan and even I stopped watching after a few of them.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 1:32:21 GMT
I think the D+ shows had the right idea: go small-scale and focus on more personal struggles. Problem is the D+ shows weren't written well enough to handle them. Probably best if they never had the D+ shows but instead made those the movies for Phase 4 If I were Feige my plan for D+ would’ve been to do things like an Odin prequel, or a Dora Milaje series. Basically shows that expand in a fun way you can’t do in movies. The biggest problem with developing major characters like Moon Knight and Wanda on a streaming service is that the majority of the general audience was never gonna watch all of that stuff. Heck, I’m a huge fan and even I stopped watching after a few of them. Then how come those same people complaining about D+ were clamoring for the Netflix MCU characters to show up in the movies, what about all the folks who didn't watch Netflix MCU?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2023 1:54:23 GMT
I think the D+ shows had the right idea: go small-scale and focus on more personal struggles. Problem is the D+ shows weren't written well enough to handle them. Probably best if they never had the D+ shows but instead made those the movies for Phase 4 The D+ shows were better written than most of Phases 1 and 2, and FoX-Men and DCEU. According to who?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2023 2:11:30 GMT
If I were Feige my plan for D+ would’ve been to do things like an Odin prequel, or a Dora Milaje series. Basically shows that expand in a fun way you can’t do in movies. The biggest problem with developing major characters like Moon Knight and Wanda on a streaming service is that the majority of the general audience was never gonna watch all of that stuff. Heck, I’m a huge fan and even I stopped watching after a few of them. Then how come those same people complaining about D+ were clamoring for the Netflix MCU characters to show up in the movies, what about all the folks who didn't watch Netflix MCU? I never wanted the Netflix characters in the movies either. In fact, on the old imdb boards I used to argue that Agents of Shield wasn’t canon and laugh at posters who thought DD and Jessica Jones would be in Age of Ultron. Marvel was much much smarter about this back then.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 2:19:59 GMT
The D+ shows were better written than most of Phases 1 and 2, and FoX-Men and DCEU. According to who? Reviewers who review objectively and don't get mad over women and nonwhites getting any kind of focus.
Everything complained about in the D+ shows were in First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Ant-Mans 1 and 2, Age of Ultron, Iron Mans 2 and 3.
Yet the D+ shows are the ones singled out for abuse. Now why is that?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2023 2:48:12 GMT
Reviewers who review objectively and don't get mad over women and nonwhites getting any kind of focus.
Everything complained about in the D+ shows were in First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Ant-Mans 1 and 2, Age of Ultron, Iron Mans 2 and 3.
Yet the D+ shows are the ones singled out for abuse. Now why is that?
Such as? Can you name a critic?
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 13:26:06 GMT
Reviewers who review objectively and don't get mad over women and nonwhites getting any kind of focus.
Everything complained about in the D+ shows were in First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Ant-Mans 1 and 2, Age of Ultron, Iron Mans 2 and 3.
Yet the D+ shows are the ones singled out for abuse. Now why is that?
Such as? Can you name a critic? Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckmann. Off the top of my head. The ones who don't indulge in Outrage Culture for clicks.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2023 17:21:00 GMT
Such as? Can you name a critic? Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckmann. Off the top of my head. The ones who don't indulge in Outrage Culture for clicks. Load of BS. I follow Jeremy Jahns and he definitely disliked majority of phase 4. In fact he barely made reviews for the D+ shows.
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Post by Cat on May 20, 2023 17:32:43 GMT
Then how come those same people complaining about D+ were clamoring for the Netflix MCU characters to show up in the movies, what about all the folks who didn't watch Netflix MCU? I never wanted the Netflix characters in the movies either. In fact, on the old imdb boards I used to argue that Agents of Shield wasn’t canon and laugh at posters who thought DD and Jessica Jones would be in Age of Ultron. Marvel was much much smarter about this back then. I never thought it was. The idea that Coulson was alive on TV all those years later was whack to me. The Netflix Marvel shows I thought were canon though. The Disney + shows are inseparably linked to the movies and I don't like the principle of that.
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Post by Skaathar on May 20, 2023 21:50:28 GMT
I never wanted the Netflix characters in the movies either. In fact, on the old imdb boards I used to argue that Agents of Shield wasn’t canon and laugh at posters who thought DD and Jessica Jones would be in Age of Ultron. Marvel was much much smarter about this back then. I never thought it was. The idea that Coulson was alive on TV all those years later was whack to me. The Netflix Marvel shows I thought were canon though. The Disney + shows are inseparably linked to the movies and I don't like the principle of that.
AoS was canon for the first few seasons, then it was eventually separated into its own thing.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 20, 2023 22:21:55 GMT
Phase Four should’ve built up to smaller team ups… Dr Strange, Blade and Moon Knight movies lead to Midnight Suns Captain Marvel 2, Guardians 3, Thor 4 and Eternals lead to The Annihlators The rest of the Earth heroes join Sam in Captain America 4. I would’ve loved to see something like that. I'm going to sound like a broken record but I'm going to say it again. Marvel should have been put on a hiatus. Obviously Sony would continue the Spider-Man stuff, but Marvel would have benefited if they took a break and put together a more solid foundation for Phase 4-6. People say that the Multiverse was the wrong direction to go, but I disagree. Kang and the Multiverse is a great idea as a follow-up to the Infinity Saga, it's just it wasn't well thought out and the scripts were half-assed. And as far as i'm concerned, the Disney+ stuff was done in the wrong way.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2023 22:29:03 GMT
Such as? Can you name a critic? Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckmann. Off the top of my head. The ones who don't indulge in Outrage Culture for clicks. Neither Jeremy Jahns or Chris Stuckmann have said that the Disney+ shows are better written than the first second phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU. Their reviews of the Disney+ shows can also be pretty much summarized as "enjoyable, has it's moment, but sloppy in places and not great on the whole." They sound more forgiving than anything.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 20, 2023 22:33:41 GMT
I never thought it was. The idea that Coulson was alive on TV all those years later was whack to me. The Netflix Marvel shows I thought were canon though. The Disney + shows are inseparably linked to the movies and I don't like the principle of that.
AoS was canon for the first few seasons, then it was eventually separated into its own thing. After season five, you can write off Agents of SHIELD, or the events that transpire in the remaining two season, as having taken place in a different timeline. Chloe Bennett is rumored to return as Quake at some point in the future, so to a point the events of the series could be established as canon but not everything. Time will tell.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 22:51:13 GMT
Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckmann. Off the top of my head. The ones who don't indulge in Outrage Culture for clicks. Load of BS. I follow Jeremy Jahns and he definitely disliked majority of phase 4. In fact he barely made reviews for the D+ shows. Him not reviewing them doesn't mean he disliked the, just that he didn't have time to review them. He didn't hate Shang Chi or Wakanda Forever or Multiverse either.
He didn't indulge in the "MCU is doomed mwahahahaha!" stuff that Nerdrotic and Quartering and Geeks and Gamers have been doing.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 20, 2023 22:52:38 GMT
Jeremy Jahns, Chris Stuckmann. Off the top of my head. The ones who don't indulge in Outrage Culture for clicks. Neither Jeremy Jahns or Chris Stuckmann have said that the Disney+ shows are better written than the first second phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the FOX X-Men installments, or the DCEU. Their reviews of the Disney+ shows can also be pretty much summarized as "enjoyable, has it's moment, but sloppy in places and not great on the whole." They sound more forgiving than anything. They don't have to explicitly say that, they aren't indulging in the Idiot Hater Bandwagon Rhetoric that Grifters are doing, and they're pointing out the good in those shows.
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