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Post by mortsahlfan on May 19, 2023 18:36:47 GMT
Liv Ullman. She's in so many of Bergman's movies, and he's made many great movies, thus, great character, writing, etc., she's had every opportunity to succeed. I always get a cold feeling from her, even when she celebrates. She always seems dour to me. Even in this American movie with Gene Hackman ("Zandy's Bride" - highly recommend), it's the same thing.
I guess my criticism of her is that she isn't well-rounded, because she always seems to play the same character, which isn't always a problem... For 95% of Jack Nicholson's movies, he plays himself, and it works great.
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Post by london777 on May 19, 2023 20:14:19 GMT
We have done this at least twice before. But I am not complaining. This board needs some more negativity.
Liv Ullmann is great. Best Norwegian until Erling Haaland. All Norwegians are cold. They carry a burden of guilt because of all the whales they have killed. They do not let others get too close because they think that we are after their money (and, boy, are they loaded).
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Post by ZolotoyRetriever on May 20, 2023 7:02:54 GMT
There are many modern actors who fit that criteria, but since this is Classic Film Board...
Wallace Beery Charles Laughton Older Joan Crawford Older Bette Davis Older Orson Welles
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 20, 2023 15:18:42 GMT
Glenn Ford. Other than 3:10 to Yuma, blah Robert Taylor. Wooden, he ran the gamut of emotions, from A to B
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Post by telegonus on May 21, 2023 7:37:21 GMT
I've never been able to warm up to Robert Duvall. There's always something off putting about him on screen, as I see it anyway; and he strikes me as charmless. He might have been in his element in Apocalypse, Now but for some awful lines he had to deliver, and he didn't deliver them well. Still, he was bravura, and I admire and respect the work he put into his Kilgore role.
Duvall is a skillful actor, yet where star quality, charisma and other such attributes that enable a fine actor to distinguish himself are concerned, to truly shine on screen, he seems to nearly always fall short. He was better in Tender Mercies and The Apostle, which I believe were both personal projects. The man surely has the goods; it's the way he delivers them that turns me off.
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Post by marianne48 on May 21, 2023 14:16:45 GMT
I've always thought Tom Hanks was very adept in his comic and semi-comedic roles, but now that he's become Mr. Hollywood Icon and is the go-to guy for every biopic and dramatic male role, I find him increasingly tiresome. I miss the Splash/Dragnet days.
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Post by Prime etc. on May 21, 2023 17:26:46 GMT
Older Bette Davis bugs me too.
There's something irritating about her.
I avoid her movies because of that.
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Post by Doghouse6 on May 21, 2023 18:31:45 GMT
There are many modern actors who fit that criteria, but since this is Classic Film Board...
Wallace Beery Charles Laughton Older Joan Crawford Older Bette Davis Older Orson Welles
I hope you'll forgive my slight confusion. When you say "older" Crawford, Davis and Welles, does "older" refer to the ages of the films or the players themselves? I have no confusion about your inclusion of Beery. While certainly a strong screen personality, I've never thought he was any great shakes as an actor. And from what I've read and heard, a fair number of his coworkers didn't think much of him offscreen either.
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Post by mortsahlfan on May 22, 2023 14:18:52 GMT
I've always thought Tom Hanks was very adept in his comic and semi-comedic roles, but now that he's become Mr. Hollywood Icon and is the go-to guy for every biopic and dramatic male role, I find him increasingly tiresome. I miss the Splash/Dragnet days. Yeah, I like the innocent big kid in "Big". I haven't seen "Forrest Gump" since I was a teen, and not sure I even wanna see it. I have a feeling it (and some other movies) will "go down" in terms of my memory/opinion on it and just leave many alone.
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Post by Cat on May 23, 2023 2:31:57 GMT
Tom Hanks still. Still just cannot warm to him onscreen, and it has never, ever been for lack of talent, effort, etc. He just doesn't do it for me. Sean Penn, who I admittedly really liked in Carlito's Way, is someone I also can't warm to.
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Post by brandomarlon2003 on May 23, 2023 4:01:42 GMT
John Cazale Elsa Lanchester Elisha Cook Jr.
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Post by ZolotoyRetriever on May 26, 2023 2:13:07 GMT
There are many modern actors who fit that criteria, but since this is Classic Film Board...
Wallace Beery Charles Laughton Older Joan Crawford Older Bette Davis Older Orson Welles
I hope you'll forgive my slight confusion. When you say "older" Crawford, Davis and Welles, does "older" refer to the ages of the films or the players themselves? I have no confusion about your inclusion of Beery. While certainly a strong screen personality, I've never thought he was any great shakes as an actor. And from what I've read and heard, a fair number of his coworkers didn't think much of him offscreen either. I'm loosely referring to the films they made in the latter part of their respective careers. I can't nail it down to definite dates or even specific films (and not all of those films were bad, either, by any means!), but it's one of those things where IMHO each of them should've elected to gracefully retire from movie acting at a certain time well before the 1950's were over. Again, just my humble opinion, but at a certain point they started appearing as grotesque parodies of their former selves.
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Post by ZolotoyRetriever on May 26, 2023 2:22:57 GMT
Victor Mature Tony Curtis
They've both been in some undeniably *great* movies... but I still have a hard time warming up to either of them.
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Post by telegonus on May 26, 2023 6:40:16 GMT
Victor Mature Tony Curtis
They've both been in some undeniably *great* movies... but I still have a hard time warming up to either of them. I've always liked Victor Mature, to which it's probably worth adding "go figure". Great actor, no, but I've seen him do what I thought was good work, especially for him, with a fondness going back to childhood and the first major network broadcast series featuring feature films from the still fairly recent past, Saturday Night At The Movies. Tony Curtis, I hear ya'. I think he's a charmless player, especially for heterosexual men. There's not much to like about him. He had some acting chops, but nothing that wowed me. There was always an air of cheapness about him. I remember discussing this with a friend, years and years back, and he agreed with me about Tony's lack of class, said that that was part of his appeal. Maybe so.
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Post by Doghouse6 on May 26, 2023 21:31:11 GMT
I hope you'll forgive my slight confusion. When you say "older" Crawford, Davis and Welles, does "older" refer to the ages of the films or the players themselves? I have no confusion about your inclusion of Beery. While certainly a strong screen personality, I've never thought he was any great shakes as an actor. And from what I've read and heard, a fair number of his coworkers didn't think much of him offscreen either. I'm loosely referring to the films they made in the latter part of their respective careers. I can't nail it down to definite dates or even specific films (and not all of those films were bad, either, by any means!), but it's one of those things where IMHO each of them should've elected to gracefully retire from movie acting at a certain time well before the 1950's were over. Again, just my humble opinion, but at a certain point they started appearing as grotesque parodies of their former selves. Thanks for the clarification, and I read you loud and clear. I'm especially sympathetic to your concluding opinion above.
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Post by telegonus on Jun 13, 2023 20:13:43 GMT
I'm loosely referring to the films they made in the latter part of their respective careers. I can't nail it down to definite dates or even specific films (and not all of those films were bad, either, by any means!), but it's one of those things where IMHO each of them should've elected to gracefully retire from movie acting at a certain time well before the 1950's were over. Again, just my humble opinion, but at a certain point they started appearing as grotesque parodies of their former selves. Thanks for the clarification, and I read you loud and clear. I'm especially sympathetic to your concluding opinion above. I like some of the later films of Bette Davis and Joan Crawford (I hope you didn't mean Broderick in the latter case,--he was a different story altogether), but Bette and Joan, and I may as well throw Barbara Stanwyck in there as well, did good work well into middle age and beyond IMHO. Bette looked like the hag she was playing in Hush, Hush...Sweet Charlotte, however her performance was just fine; and co-stars Olivia de Havilland and, yes, Mary Astor, were excellent as well. I don't have a problem with the actual ages of these ladies, nor how their ages affected their acting, though surely they were no longer sexy (to most men anyway) in their fifties and beyond.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 16, 2023 13:49:16 GMT
We have done this at least twice before. But I am not complaining. This board needs some more negativity. Liv Ullmann is great. Best Norwegian until Erling Haaland. All Norwegians are cold. They carry a burden of guilt because of all the whales they have killed. They do not let others get too close because they think that we are after their money (and, boy, are they loaded). Nah, we are just cold to people that we view as peasants. We feel no guilt over all the whales we have killed.
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Post by marianne48 on Jun 16, 2023 14:26:36 GMT
Bill Nighy creeps me out to no end. Sitting through the interminable and inaccurately-titled Living, the recent unnecessary remake of the classic Ikiru, was an ordeal. Takashi Shimura was effectively tragic as the dying man in the original, as he projected his desperation in his face; Nighy not so much, because he looked like he was already dead. When his co-worker confesses that her private nickname for him is "Mr. Zombie," I had to disagree since every zombie I've ever seen in a movie was more animated. The only good thing about the remake is it inspired me to plan a rewatch of the original.
Nighy's singing at the beginning of Love, Actually sets the tone for the cringeworthy lousiness of the rest of the film. He should have cultivated a career in horror movies.
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