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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 24, 2023 23:12:56 GMT
Nobody's talking about it because it sucks. It's a bad movie, straight up. whats so bad about it? Everything. The opening is like a bad dream sequence, nobody acts remotely like a human being. It rips off the super slow motion action concepts that were done better in the X-Men films, but takes them to farcical, Deadpool-esque levels. The central character takes a backseat to a legacy character from a different franchise, and also to a clueless younger version of himself. The 'hero loses his powers' trope is something I've always found lazy, and doesn't usually rear its head until later in any given franchise; they lead off with it here. The multiverse concept is already played out, and this was the cheapest way to do it. Just have the character stroll through a visual catalog of what-ifs and has beens that don't affect the story in any way whatsoever, that'll really get the fans salivating. Christopher Reeve is rolling over in his grave knowing they used his likeness for this trash. Nic Cage probably doesn't mind the shout out, if you can even tell that shitty rendition of his face was supposed to be him. Perhaps the oddest thing about it was Keaton's Batman (which is the only reason I went to see it). I had fun watching him, but his character not only recognized that realities had merged, it almost seemed like he was aware he was in a film that was a parody of his character's former life. Constantly quoting himself and making references to stuff that none of the other characters would understand, only an 'audience' privy to his previous exploits would get it. And it really jumps the shark when that version of the character is doing barrel rolls in the Batwing as he takes on alien spacecraft. The entire exercise is a waste of everyone's time, in every sense. The Flash interacts with characters from his own universe only at the very beginning of the film (again, in a sequence so nonsensical as to make the viewer wonder if it's actually happening), in a version of the film universe that the audience knows has been effectively canceled by the studio. What's at stake in this movie? What is there to invest in as a viewer? Maybe the worst part is that despite all of the stupidity; despite the multiversal kitchen sink that rehashes its own action sequences in real time-- as if that makes a story better; despite them circling back to the heart of the story with the lesson being DO NOT FUCK WITH TIME, a lesson the character has to let his mother die (seems like a rip off of The City On The Edge of Forever, but whatever) to learn; at the very end, he still can't help himself and alters the past, with potentially disastrous consequences (played of course as a gag, with Clooney replacing Affleck in the final scene). It destroys the character arc, ruins the impact of the sacrifice, and makes the character look flat out reckless, if not monumentally stupid. The entire DCEU has been a trainwreck from the beginning, and this was the final nail in the coffin. This movie was terrible from top to bottom, with the only positive being we shouldn't have to worry about a sequel. If you can tune all of that out and enjoy it as throwaway popcorn entertainment, good for you. I'm not judging anyone who enjoyed it for what it was. But if you want to know why most people avoided this movie, or why most of those who have seen it aren't excitedly posting about it, that's why. |
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Post by Nora on Jun 25, 2023 2:31:32 GMT
Everything. The opening is like a bad dream sequence, nobody acts remotely like a human being. It rips off the super slow motion action concepts that were done better in the X-Men films, but takes them to farcical, Deadpool-esque levels. The central character takes a backseat to a legacy character from a different franchise, and also to a clueless younger version of himself. The 'hero loses his powers' trope is something I've always found lazy, and doesn't usually rear its head until later in any given franchise; they lead off with it here. The multiverse concept is already played out, and this was the cheapest way to do it. Just have the character stroll through a visual catalog of what-ifs and has beens that don't affect the story in any way whatsoever, that'll really get the fans salivating. Christopher Reeve is rolling over in his grave knowing they used his likeness for this trash. Nic Cage probably doesn't mind the shout out, if you can even tell that shitty rendition of his face was supposed to be him. Perhaps the oddest thing about it was Keaton's Batman (which is the only reason I went to see it). I had fun watching him, but his character not only recognized that realities had merged, it almost seemed like he was aware he was in a film that was a parody of his character's former life. Constantly quoting himself and making references to stuff that none of the other characters would understand, only an 'audience' privy to his previous exploits would get it. And it really jumps the shark when that version of the character is doing barrel rolls in the Batwing as he takes on alien spacecraft. The entire exercise is a waste of everyone's time, in every sense. The Flash interacts with characters from his own universe only at the very beginning of the film (again, in a sequence so nonsensical as to make the viewer wonder if it's actually happening), in a version of the film universe that the audience knows has been effectively canceled by the studio. What's at stake in this movie? What is there to invest in as a viewer? Maybe the worst part is that despite all of the stupidity; despite the multiversal kitchen sink that rehashes its own action sequences in real time-- as if that makes a story better; despite them circling back to the heart of the story with the lesson being DO NOT FUCK WITH TIME, a lesson the character has to let his mother die (seems like a rip off of The City On The Edge of Forever, but whatever) to learn; at the very end, he still can't help himself and alters the past, with potentially disastrous consequences (played of course as a gag, with Clooney replacing Affleck in the final scene). It destroys the character arc, ruins the impact of the sacrifice, and makes the character look flat out reckless, if not monumentally stupid. The entire DCEU has been a trainwreck from the beginning, and this was the final nail in the coffin. This movie was terrible from top to bottom, with the only positive being we shouldn't have to worry about a sequel. If you can tune all of that out and enjoy it as throwaway popcorn entertainment, good for you. I'm not judging anyone who enjoyed it for what it was. But if you want to know why most people avoided this movie, or why most of those who have seen it aren't excitedly posting about it, that's why. i get what you mean. i still enjoyed it and was thoroughly entertained bit i understand where you are coming from. oh and i LOVED keaton quoting himself. |
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jun 25, 2023 3:49:14 GMT
I'll see it one day, at home. I've spoiled the cameo stuff, couldn't care either way at this point for the DCEU. As for the multiverse, wasn't this story from a comic years ago now + script was penned earlier than the MCU's stuff. That's on them, for missing the production/release window, but I won't penalize them for copycatting if theirs was greenlit first.
I feel bad for Keaton who reported for duty only for this thing to be a pop cultural lightning rod of sorts. The Flash just seems like a mess of fan service... of all the headlining characters (& Ezra no less), it seemed bound for this eye rolled fate.
The Aquaman 2 stinger seems nearly as sad as none of these things will matter once Gunn's DCU commences, not least Mamoa's likely casting as Lobo.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 25, 2023 7:59:52 GMT
Well it's a better movie than Black Adam and the last Shazam. But man, it has problems. tell me about the problems Well pacing is the biggest one. Outside of the opening action sequence, the entire first hour of the movie is without action. Then once the action starts if feels like it rushes towards the end. It has a villain problem. In fact there's very little focus given to the villains. They're basically just there to give the heroes something to do but there's zero character development for them. And here I was excited to see Antje Traue again... only to find out she basically did nothing. CGI and action scenes are problematic as well. Power levels are inconsistent and all over the place. Since when can Flash knock-out a Kryptonian with one punch? One Ezra-Barry Allen can be irritating enough, 2 of them is torture. The scenes with Barry and Iris are cringeworthy. It's like seeing 2 highschool nerds flirting instead of 2 full adults. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 25, 2023 17:19:59 GMT
Also, I'm a bit irritated that the CW Arrowverse is completely ignored in this movie. I mean, they bring back Clooney-Batman, even showcase Nicholas Cage Superman, yet for some reason they can't give a quick nod to one of the most recognizable DC live action franchises?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jun 25, 2023 19:32:59 GMT
I couldn’t care less about supposed inconsistencies in “power levels,” but it’s a pretty sloppy movie with a flimsy story, and an ending that feels like they were trolling the audience. By the way, that ending was shot at the beginning of the year, and was James Gunn’s idea. It almost comes across like he was setting the movie up to fail so that people would feel that a reboot is only the way to go.
I do also agree that it’s weird how they don’t even acknowledge the Arrowverse. From what I recall, WB were the ones who requested the Ezra Miller cameo when the CW was doing their Crisis event, yet this movie doesn’t even have a nod to that?
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Post by Ransom on Jun 28, 2023 11:45:39 GMT
Everything. The opening is like a bad dream sequence, nobody acts remotely like a human being. It rips off the super slow motion action concepts that were done better in the X-Men films, but takes them to farcical, Deadpool-esque levels. The central character takes a backseat to a legacy character from a different franchise, and also to a clueless younger version of himself. The 'hero loses his powers' trope is something I've always found lazy, and doesn't usually rear its head until later in any given franchise; they lead off with it here. The multiverse concept is already played out, and this was the cheapest way to do it. Just have the character stroll through a visual catalog of what-ifs and has beens that don't affect the story in any way whatsoever, that'll really get the fans salivating. Christopher Reeve is rolling over in his grave knowing they used his likeness for this trash. Nic Cage probably doesn't mind the shout out, if you can even tell that shitty rendition of his face was supposed to be him. Perhaps the oddest thing about it was Keaton's Batman (which is the only reason I went to see it). I had fun watching him, but his character not only recognized that realities had merged, it almost seemed like he was aware he was in a film that was a parody of his character's former life. Constantly quoting himself and making references to stuff that none of the other characters would understand, only an 'audience' privy to his previous exploits would get it. And it really jumps the shark when that version of the character is doing barrel rolls in the Batwing as he takes on alien spacecraft. The entire exercise is a waste of everyone's time, in every sense. The Flash interacts with characters from his own universe only at the very beginning of the film (again, in a sequence so nonsensical as to make the viewer wonder if it's actually happening), in a version of the film universe that the audience knows has been effectively canceled by the studio. What's at stake in this movie? What is there to invest in as a viewer? Maybe the worst part is that despite all of the stupidity; despite the multiversal kitchen sink that rehashes its own action sequences in real time-- as if that makes a story better; despite them circling back to the heart of the story with the lesson being DO NOT FUCK WITH TIME, a lesson the character has to let his mother die (seems like a rip off of The City On The Edge of Forever, but whatever) to learn; at the very end, he still can't help himself and alters the past, with potentially disastrous consequences (played of course as a gag, with Clooney replacing Affleck in the final scene). It destroys the character arc, ruins the impact of the sacrifice, and makes the character look flat out reckless, if not monumentally stupid. The entire DCEU has been a trainwreck from the beginning, and this was the final nail in the coffin. This movie was terrible from top to bottom, with the only positive being we shouldn't have to worry about a sequel. If you can tune all of that out and enjoy it as throwaway popcorn entertainment, good for you. I'm not judging anyone who enjoyed it for what it was. But if you want to know why most people avoided this movie, or why most of those who have seen it aren't excitedly posting about it, that's why. Keaton quoting himself was the least of this film's problems he's the eccentric wisecracking 80s Batman it's what action heroes did back then. |
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