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Post by politicidal on Jun 6, 2017 4:10:00 GMT
He was just okay. That said, his efforts to dissuade Diana from her mission were interesting and I was digging his original depiction as a manipulative observer who really did not start the war.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 4:13:04 GMT
Yeah, that was a real shame. I would've loved to see him return. Still would. If he shows up in IW I would be thrilled. Hilariously, Weaving started talking about "being open to return" around the same time as Civil War went into production. Ya know, long, long after they'd moved on from him? I wonder if they ever considered bringing him back for Cap 2 or 3. Obviously they didn't need to, but part of me wishes they had. Technically they could've recast, I suppose.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 6, 2017 4:16:04 GMT
The problem is that he didn't amount to be a big threat in act two. Instead of struggling against Hydra, Cap basically mows through them, montage style. Overall most MCU villains aren't necessarily poorly developed IMO they just don't always pose a big enough obstacle for the heroes.
Exactly! It's not the underdevelopment that makes MCU villains weak. MCU villains are weak because they don't present any challenge at all.
In MoS, Superman battles a Kryptonian army that is as powerful as he is. In BvS, the Trinity battle Doomsday, who gets hit with a nuclear missile and still can't be stopped. In Wonder Woman, Wonder Woman battles an Olympian god who is as powerful as she is. Those are all villains that are more than capable of actually defeating the heroes and it takes some major effort to defeat those villains.
In The Avengers, the Avengers battle a bunch of aliens who have no superpowers and who get defeated by just a single nuclear missile launched by the military. In GotG, the main villain (Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets) is defeated by something as silly as a Dance-Off. Those villains presented little or no challenge to the heroes and it didn't take much effort to defeat those villains. That's why MCU villains are considered weak.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 6, 2017 4:20:01 GMT
I actually don't think underdevelopment is a problem with most MCU villains though. Red Skull for example has a great string of scenes in act one. His backstory, motives and persona are crystal clear. He had the potential to be a fantastic villain. The problem is that he didn't amount to be a big threat in act two. Instead of struggling against Hydra, Cap basically mows through them, montage style. Overall most MCU villains aren't necessarily poorly developed IMO they just don't always pose a big enough obstacle for the heroes. True enough. Another thing weighing The Red Skull down was Hugo Weaving publicly being a killjoy about the whole thing, killing any chances of Skully ever returning. That's probably because MCU dictator Kevin Feige wouldn't allow Hugo Weaving to do more with his role. It's the same thing with Mickey Rourke in Iron Man 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 4:22:12 GMT
Hilariously, Weaving started talking about "being open to return" around the same time as Civil War went into production. Ya know, long, long after they'd moved on from him? I wonder if they ever considered bringing him back for Cap 2 or 3. Obviously they didn't need to, but part of me wishes they had. Technically they could've recast, I suppose. Agreed.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 6, 2017 4:24:57 GMT
Great post! weirdraptor just got owned! No, not really. All Ackbar did was just state his own opinion but never actually provided factual evidence of strong character development for Ares. Seriously, wasn't a bad a performance, but he was a pretty basic simple Marvel villain Ackbar wasn't referring to Ares. Ackbar was referring to weirdraptors' comments that the MCU way of " Little character development" is " The way it should be". Ackbar completely owned weirdraptor on that.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jun 6, 2017 4:28:22 GMT
No, not really. All Ackbar did was just state his own opinion but never actually provided factual evidence of strong character development for Ares. Seriously, wasn't a bad a performance, but he was a pretty basic simple Marvel villain Ackbar wasn't referring to Ares. Ackbar was referring to weirdraptors' comments that the MCU way of " Little character development" is " The way it should be". Ackbar completely owned weirdraptor on that. Oh whoops, yeah, I didn't realize he didn't watch Wonder Woman. But even then tho, weirdraptor has a point. I don't particuarly agree that the villain needs little character development, but Ares did feel like a throw-away Marvel villain for the sake of Wonder Woman having a challenge in her origin film. Really the only part that let me down in the film
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jun 7, 2017 5:57:44 GMT
sucked. i was more interested in Dr Poison but they did nothing with her.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 7, 2017 6:42:09 GMT
Let's hope that Thanos has no more than 5 minutes screen time. To not take away from the 15689 heroes that are going to be in that movie
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Post by poelzig on Jun 7, 2017 7:11:23 GMT
Generic villain. Did what needed to be done, provided some decent challenge to the hero. Ultimately forgettable after he died. Not bad, nothing to talk about either. At least he wasn't as annoying as Lex. I'm guessing you mean the Eisenberg Lex? I doubt it's possible for any cbm character to be that annoying. A perfect example of what happens when writers pander to millennials.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 7, 2017 7:52:44 GMT
Let's hope that Thanos has no more than 5 minutes screen time. To not take away from the 15689 heroes that are going to be in that movie Considering that Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets was defeated by a silly Dance-Off, Thanos will most likely be defeated by a Karaoke challenge.
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Post by charzhino on Jun 7, 2017 10:35:18 GMT
[Oh, so you want the villain to take precious limited screentime away from the hero? How typical of a Nolan and Fox-Men fan. I'm sorry you're unwilling to see the merits of actually having a fully fleshed out hero as opposed to the villain just taking over the show with a boring cipher hero playing second fiddle to them. Lazy argument. Other (better) films have shown you can achieve both good villain and hero character models. They are not mutually exclusive. MCU are just lazy and constantly spit out half baked villains.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 7, 2017 11:09:57 GMT
[Oh, so you want the villain to take precious limited screentime away from the hero? How typical of a Nolan and Fox-Men fan. I'm sorry you're unwilling to see the merits of actually having a fully fleshed out hero as opposed to the villain just taking over the show with a boring cipher hero playing second fiddle to them. Lazy argument. Other (better) films have shown you can achieve both good villain and hero character models. They are not mutually exclusive. MCU are just lazy and constantly spit out half baked villains. Great post! weirdraptor and formersamhmd just got owned!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2017 17:45:42 GMT
sucked. i was more interested in Dr Poison but they did nothing with her. Oh man. Really? I was more interested in her too. Especially since trailer 3 focused so much on her. I guess I'll have to tone down my expectations for that character.
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