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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 22, 2023 12:06:37 GMT
One person's opinion is not what I was asking for - I wanted statical data from a respectable source. You can't get statistical data saying "The movie is gutless fanservice" because statistics is just numbers.
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Post by scabab on Sept 22, 2023 13:35:06 GMT
It does matter, it means that the audience enjoyed gutless fanservice over an actually well written movie. Like Wakanda Forever or Shang Chi. Well neither of those well written anyway. I did like Shang Chi but Wakanda Forever is kind of a slog. As long as audiences like the movie that's really all that matters in the end. They loved Spider-Man, it's easily a Top 5 to the masses. Most the rest since Endgame hasn't even been liked nevermind loved.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 22, 2023 15:46:28 GMT
Neither were well-written. They were better written than First Avenger, Iron Mans 2 and 3, Thors 1-2, Age of Ultron, Guardians 2, No Way Home and Ant-Mans 1 and 2. May I ask why you have issue with these entries in the Marvel Cinematic Universe since you bring them up often? I have already stated my case regarding both Shang-Chi and Wakanda Forever before - the former was entertaining but not amazing, its plot isn't really anything to write home about and it loses steam in the middle of things that hurts the pacing of it. Wakanda Forever was on the whole pretty uninteresting and not very engaging outside of a few scenes, it isn't really a movie I would like to revisit anytime soon unlike its original entry.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 22, 2023 15:49:59 GMT
One person's opinion is not what I was asking for - I wanted statical data from a respectable source. You can't get statistical data saying "The movie is gutless fanservice" because statistics is just numbers. You made the claim that people didn't go to the movie out of interest in seeing the progression of Tom Holland's iteration of Peter Parker, I asked for data on whether this is legitimate. Instead, you only provided a video from somebody who talks about why they didn't like the movie. If you cannot give a source outside of opinion, then don't bother furthering the conversation.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 22, 2023 16:16:35 GMT
If they were big of crowd pleasers as you claim, development wouldn't be slow on them. A Shang-Chi sequel should by be filmed and ready for release now, so would an Eternals follow-up. Yes, Ironheart has been delayed indefinitely, and has been pushed back numerous times well before the strikes started. 2024 is the best guess of release, but no release date is finalized (therefore, delayed indefinitely). What about the people who did see WandaVision and didn't like the movie, either? The movie simply wasn't all that great of a product, and it shows in the wonky storytelling (which was rushed, the screenwriter wasn't given much time to develop it, and there wasn't strong enough communication between the crew of the movie and the WandaVision series). No, I was referring to the article I linked which shared data suggesting Phase Four is the least favorite phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe by general consumers. Proof, or it didn't happen. I saw next to no one make such complaints. It wasn't a 'creative risk', the character had been around for a while in the comic books and was a major player in several key storylines over the years, something with her was guaranteed as back as Phase Three in 2018 by Kevin Feige ( link) No, they weren't. If there was zero demand as you claim, they wouldn't get made in the first place. So, you agree with me that the movie shouldn't have made light of Thanos and his actions? Good to know, for a second there it came across like you were trying to bait me again. It isn't, really. When it comes to franchises it is encouraged that the product be a worthwhile investment from consumers who have been showing support for it from the start and still be engaging for a pair of fresh eyes. This is what the highest grossing sequels of all-time accomplish, i.e. Top Gun: Maverick, you didn't have to see the original film to enjoy the new one. The plan is to have the Shang Chi sequel be after the next Avengers movie, probably because they weren't expecting Shang Chi to be the success it was.
Which is because of the strikes, not a deliberate choice.
It was better than Iron Mans 2-3, First Avenger, Thors 1-2, Age of Ultron, Ant-Mans 1-2, Guardians 2 and at least as good as Dr Strange 1. I know folks were expecting something ridiculous like the movie would merge the MCU with the FoX-Men universe but that was never going to happen.
Into the Spiderverse had the same plot points as Multiverse, but no one complained there. Double Standards.
That was the same claptrap said about Phase 2 back then
I saw them make those complaints, go watch the usual Grifters like Nerdrotic and the lot and you'll be flooded with them.
It was, making a positive story about a teenage Muslim Girl in what had been a White Male Dominated series is a big risk, especially in today's America.
Creative Risks, like I said.
I'm saying that if you can excuse those movies and stage plays, then you can excuse stuff like that.
Top Gun Maverick only was successful because it had Pentagon backing and that artificial booster kept it running beyond normal runtimes in theaters. Any movie would make money with that. The content wasn't anything special.
Look at Sounds of Freedom, are you going to tell me that film made its success legitimately? It didn't. Maverick isn't different.
A Shang-Chi sequel doesn't need to concern itself with Avengers business, but what of Wakanda Forever, Doctor Strange 3, and Eternals 2? Doctor Strange 3 is honestly the only one that seems like it might happen, the other two have only gotten whispers online. As I have said, if they were as big of crowd pleasers as you make them out to be, we would be getting new installments by now. The series received delays before the strikes. That's your opinion, and a fairly subjective one at that. And if that is the case, where is the evidence of that being true? And no, an opinion piece from YouTube or personal experience with no links will do it. Please share an article that supports your claim that the people who went to see the movie largely expected that to occur on the screen. Bringing up another movie that deals with the multiverse does not in any way help your defense of the movie, if anything it shows desperation and a lack of confidence in your argument. Then post a video of theirs to prove your claim right. Sorry, but after taking a course on symbolic logic I can recognize a fallacy when I see one, and this appeal to emotion just isn't going to cut it. The character is a major player in modern day Marvel comics and has appeared in animation and video games, something with her was stated to be in development as far back as 2018. Try again. And is "creative risks" your new "double standards"? Same song and dance. I don't and I won't. You and your vendetta against Top Gun: Maverick is honestly a silly one, what exactly about the movie is so wrong for you that you must dismiss it as being used an example of a popular and profitable sequel that people don't need to watch its previous entry to enjoy? Would it had been better if I had given other examples, like the whole of the James Bond franchise? That one has been going on since the 1960's.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 22, 2023 19:17:05 GMT
It does matter, it means that the audience enjoyed gutless fanservice over an actually well written movie. Like Wakanda Forever or Shang Chi. Well neither of those well written anyway. I did like Shang Chi but Wakanda Forever is kind of a slog. As long as audiences like the movie that's really all that matters in the end. They loved Spider-Man, it's easily a Top 5 to the masses. Most the rest since Endgame hasn't even been liked nevermind loved. They were both better written than most of Phases 1 and 2.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 22, 2023 19:18:12 GMT
They were better written than First Avenger, Iron Mans 2 and 3, Thors 1-2, Age of Ultron, Guardians 2, No Way Home and Ant-Mans 1 and 2. May I ask why you have issue with these entries in the Marvel Cinematic Universe since you bring them up often? I have already stated my case regarding both Shang-Chi and Wakanda Forever before - the former was entertaining but not amazing, its plot isn't really anything to write home about and it loses steam in the middle of things that hurts the pacing of it. Wakanda Forever was on the whole pretty uninteresting and not very engaging outside of a few scenes, it isn't really a movie I would like to revisit anytime soon unlike its original entry. They're quite mediocre, that's why I bring them up. Much moreso than Phase 4 which has the struggle of introducing more leading ladies and nonwhites to what had been a White Male Supremacy series.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 22, 2023 19:19:13 GMT
You can't get statistical data saying "The movie is gutless fanservice" because statistics is just numbers. You made the claim that people didn't go to the movie out of interest in seeing the progression of Tom Holland's iteration of Peter Parker, I asked for data on whether this is legitimate. Instead, you only provided a video from somebody who talks about why they didn't like the movie. If you cannot give a source outside of opinion, then don't bother furthering the conversation. The video explains it well enough, and it's a rare one that didn't praise the film for being spineless
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 22, 2023 19:24:47 GMT
The plan is to have the Shang Chi sequel be after the next Avengers movie, probably because they weren't expecting Shang Chi to be the success it was.
Which is because of the strikes, not a deliberate choice.
It was better than Iron Mans 2-3, First Avenger, Thors 1-2, Age of Ultron, Ant-Mans 1-2, Guardians 2 and at least as good as Dr Strange 1. I know folks were expecting something ridiculous like the movie would merge the MCU with the FoX-Men universe but that was never going to happen.
Into the Spiderverse had the same plot points as Multiverse, but no one complained there. Double Standards.
That was the same claptrap said about Phase 2 back then
I saw them make those complaints, go watch the usual Grifters like Nerdrotic and the lot and you'll be flooded with them.
It was, making a positive story about a teenage Muslim Girl in what had been a White Male Dominated series is a big risk, especially in today's America.
Creative Risks, like I said.
I'm saying that if you can excuse those movies and stage plays, then you can excuse stuff like that.
Top Gun Maverick only was successful because it had Pentagon backing and that artificial booster kept it running beyond normal runtimes in theaters. Any movie would make money with that. The content wasn't anything special.
Look at Sounds of Freedom, are you going to tell me that film made its success legitimately? It didn't. Maverick isn't different.
A Shang-Chi sequel doesn't need to concern itself with Avengers business, but what of Wakanda Forever, Doctor Strange 3, and Eternals 2? Doctor Strange 3 is honestly the only one that seems like it might happen, the other two have only gotten whispers online. As I have said, if they were as big of crowd pleasers as you make them out to be, we would be getting new installments by now. The series received delays before the strikes. That's your opinion, and a fairly subjective one at that. And if that is the case, where is the evidence of that being true? And no, an opinion piece from YouTube or personal experience with no links will do it. Please share an article that supports your claim that the people who went to see the movie largely expected that to occur on the screen. Bringing up another movie that deals with the multiverse does not in any way help your defense of the movie, if anything it shows desperation and a lack of confidence in your argument. Then post a video of theirs to prove your claim right. Sorry, but after taking a course on symbolic logic I can recognize a fallacy when I see one, and this appeal to emotion just isn't going to cut it. The character is a major player in modern day Marvel comics and has appeared in animation and video games, something with her was stated to be in development as far back as 2018. Try again. And is "creative risks" your new "double standards"? Name song and dance. I don't and I won't. You and your vendetta against Top Gun: Maverick is honestly a silly one, what exactly about the movie is so wrong for you that you must dismiss it as being used an example of a popular and profitable sequel that people don't need to watch its previous entry to enjoy? Would it had been better if I had given other examples, like the whole of the James Bond franchise? That one has been going on since the 1960's. Feige's plan was to do the Shang-Chi sequel after Avengers, so they're sticking to that.
Black Panther has been allowed to remain under Ryan Coogler's control, and as he's busy doing other things they'll get to it when he's ready.
Minor ones, the real delays weren't till the strikes shut things down entirely.
I'm pointing out the double standards here.
They deleted them afterwards to stop looking like the buffoons they were.
A controversial major player that certain folks have been against from day one, and one whose existence in the current political climate is not an easy sell.
But they still happen.
It's another example of gutless fanservice winning out over meaningful content. But at least Sounds of Freedom showed up to smash the idea that a propaganda film can get by with "just being that good".
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Post by scabab on Sept 22, 2023 22:09:27 GMT
Well neither of those well written anyway. I did like Shang Chi but Wakanda Forever is kind of a slog. As long as audiences like the movie that's really all that matters in the end. They loved Spider-Man, it's easily a Top 5 to the masses. Most the rest since Endgame hasn't even been liked nevermind loved. They were both better written than most of Phases 1 and 2. They weren't any better though. Shang Chi about on par and Wakanda Forever weaker.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 23, 2023 0:10:10 GMT
May I ask why you have issue with these entries in the Marvel Cinematic Universe since you bring them up often? I have already stated my case regarding both Shang-Chi and Wakanda Forever before - the former was entertaining but not amazing, its plot isn't really anything to write home about and it loses steam in the middle of things that hurts the pacing of it. Wakanda Forever was on the whole pretty uninteresting and not very engaging outside of a few scenes, it isn't really a movie I would like to revisit anytime soon unlike its original entry. They're quite mediocre, that's why I bring them up. Much moreso than Phase 4 which has the struggle of introducing more leading ladies and nonwhites to what had been a White Male Supremacy series. Any specific reasons as to why you didn't like them? Sorry, but that attempt at virtue signaling isn't going to impress anybody, try TikTok.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 23, 2023 0:11:14 GMT
You made the claim that people didn't go to the movie out of interest in seeing the progression of Tom Holland's iteration of Peter Parker, I asked for data on whether this is legitimate. Instead, you only provided a video from somebody who talks about why they didn't like the movie. If you cannot give a source outside of opinion, then don't bother furthering the conversation. The video explains it well enough, and it's a rare one that didn't praise the film for being spineless No it doesn't. If you can't provide a good and respectable source that is unbiased, give me a reason why I should I agree with you?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 23, 2023 1:01:58 GMT
A Shang-Chi sequel doesn't need to concern itself with Avengers business, but what of Wakanda Forever, Doctor Strange 3, and Eternals 2? Doctor Strange 3 is honestly the only one that seems like it might happen, the other two have only gotten whispers online. As I have said, if they were as big of crowd pleasers as you make them out to be, we would be getting new installments by now. The series received delays before the strikes. That's your opinion, and a fairly subjective one at that. And if that is the case, where is the evidence of that being true? And no, an opinion piece from YouTube or personal experience with no links will do it. Please share an article that supports your claim that the people who went to see the movie largely expected that to occur on the screen. Bringing up another movie that deals with the multiverse does not in any way help your defense of the movie, if anything it shows desperation and a lack of confidence in your argument. Then post a video of theirs to prove your claim right. Sorry, but after taking a course on symbolic logic I can recognize a fallacy when I see one, and this appeal to emotion just isn't going to cut it. The character is a major player in modern day Marvel comics and has appeared in animation and video games, something with her was stated to be in development as far back as 2018. Try again. And is "creative risks" your new "double standards"? Name song and dance. I don't and I won't. You and your vendetta against Top Gun: Maverick is honestly a silly one, what exactly about the movie is so wrong for you that you must dismiss it as being used an example of a popular and profitable sequel that people don't need to watch its previous entry to enjoy? Would it had been better if I had given other examples, like the whole of the James Bond franchise? That one has been going on since the 1960's. Feige's plan was to do the Shang-Chi sequel after Avengers, so they're sticking to that.
Black Panther has been allowed to remain under Ryan Coogler's control, and as he's busy doing other things they'll get to it when he's ready.
Minor ones, the real delays weren't till the strikes shut things down entirely.
I'm pointing out the double standards here.
They deleted them afterwards to stop looking like the buffoons they were.
A controversial major player that certain folks have been against from day one, and one whose existence in the current political climate is not an easy sell.
But they still happen.
It's another example of gutless fanservice winning out over meaningful content. But at least Sounds of Freedom showed up to smash the idea that a propaganda film can get by with "just being that good".
Actually, it doesn't sound like that it is Kevin Feige's plan, as not even Shang-Chi himself has any clue of when the sequel will happen. He even says it keeps getting pushed back further than the next Avengers... linkThey're not waiting on Ryan Coogler, Coogler hopes a third movie gets made or some sort of continuation happens in the near future even if someone new is at the helm, but right now it is definitely not a high priority for Marvel Studios, which doesn't really support the argument that Wakanda Forever was that much of a crowd-pleasing success, linkNo, definitely not minor delays, there are reports of both it and Echo being delayed for a full year quite some time before the strikes happened. Opinion pieces by one writer does not summarize the feelings of the majority of consumers. Try again. I don't care if you don't like Into the Spider-Verse, dislike it as much as you wish, if you dislike that people liked that movie more than Doctor Strange 2 then that is a you problem. Tell me why I, as well for anyone else engaged in this conversation, should believe you without proof? It is rather pathetic that you have to make it seem like bigotry is the only possible reason as to why the Ms. Marvel series didn't perform better on streaming and on basic television and create a false narrative that she is a widely disliked character - if that were the case, she wouldn't be featured in so many titles and other media besides the comic page, let alone a lead in her own TV series. The underperformance of an otherwise good program like Ms. Marvel is due to a lack of interest in the Marvel brand, see also the dismal performance of Secret Invasion. And? I still think it is wrong, and you agree to it would seem. It doesn't really matter how meaningful a movie attempts to be if its storytelling is ineffective and just fails to click with the viewer. Nether Wakanda Forever or Eternals are what I would describe as being fun movies to watch over and over again with friends and family at a get-together, the former is pretty depressing, very cold at times, and probably longer than it needs to be. Eternals I would apply the same as well, except instead of "depressing" I would say "dull". Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness has some fun scenes and exciting action, but it's pretty dark and disturbing in parts that won't sit well with that many people - you have a Wanda Maximoff who takes possession of a variant from a different universe who goes around popping heads, breaking necks, and slicing people in half, chasing the heroes around like horror movie villain, and Doctor Strange reanimating the corpse of a variant of himself. It's more of a movie to watch on Halloween than any other time of the year on any day. Black Widow is fun in some spots, but on the whole it is kind of depressing on account that you know the titular character dies sometime later in Endgame. Shang-Chi is fun, but half-way in the movie slows down too much and loses steam. However, that is really beside the point I was making, which was that you can watch a movie like Top Gun: Maverick and enjoy it without having seen the first movie, the same goes for the whole of the James Bond franchise. And for me personally I was able to follow The Bourne Ultimatum quite well in 2007 despite not seen either of the last two films before watching it. Other examples would be the sort of content Marvel Studios released before Phase Four.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 24, 2023 0:29:59 GMT
They were both better written than most of Phases 1 and 2. They weren't any better though. Shang Chi about on par and Wakanda Forever weaker. Shang Chi was better than First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Iron Mans 2 and 3, Age of Ultron, Ant-Man and Guardians 2. So was Wakanda Forever
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 24, 2023 0:31:09 GMT
They're quite mediocre, that's why I bring them up. Much moreso than Phase 4 which has the struggle of introducing more leading ladies and nonwhites to what had been a White Male Supremacy series. Any specific reasons as to why you didn't like them? Sorry, but that attempt at virtue signaling isn't going to impress anybody, try TikTok. There's no such thing as "Virtue Signaling", and yes the MCU was a White Male Supremacy series until 2018. And predictably, as soon as a major black movie came along and then a female led one, the "fans" lost their minds over the "contamination".
I don't dislike them, I just feel they were mediocre and didn't push the envelope terribly hard.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 24, 2023 0:31:45 GMT
The video explains it well enough, and it's a rare one that didn't praise the film for being spineless No it doesn't. If you can't provide a good and respectable source that is unbiased, give me a reason why I should I agree with you? It does, it spells out how the movie is gutless fanservice. Timestamp where it fails at this.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 24, 2023 0:39:51 GMT
Feige's plan was to do the Shang-Chi sequel after Avengers, so they're sticking to that.
Black Panther has been allowed to remain under Ryan Coogler's control, and as he's busy doing other things they'll get to it when he's ready.
Minor ones, the real delays weren't till the strikes shut things down entirely.
I'm pointing out the double standards here.
They deleted them afterwards to stop looking like the buffoons they were.
A controversial major player that certain folks have been against from day one, and one whose existence in the current political climate is not an easy sell.
But they still happen.
It's another example of gutless fanservice winning out over meaningful content. But at least Sounds of Freedom showed up to smash the idea that a propaganda film can get by with "just being that good".
Actually, it doesn't sound like that it is Kevin Feige's plan, as not even Shang-Chi himself has any clue of when the sequel will happen. He even says it keeps getting pushed back further than the next Avengers... linkThey're not waiting on Ryan Coogler, Coogler hopes a third movie gets made or some sort of continuation happens in the near future even if someone new is at the helm, but right now it is definitely not a high priority for Marvel Studios, which doesn't really support the argument that Wakanda Forever was that much of a crowd-pleasing success, linkNo, definitely not minor delays, there are reports of both it and Echo being delayed for a full year quite some time before the strikes happened. Opinion pieces by one writer does not summarize the feelings of the majority of consumers. Try again. I don't care if you don't like Into the Spider-Verse, dislike it as much as you wish, if you dislike that people liked that movie more than Doctor Strange 2 then that is a you problem. Tell me why I, as well for anyone else engaged in this conversation, should believe you without proof? It is rather pathetic that you have to make it seem like bigotry is the only possible reason as to why the Ms. Marvel series didn't perform better on streaming and on basic television and create a false narrative that she is a widely disliked character - if that were the case, she wouldn't be featured in so many titles and other media besides the comic page, let alone a lead in her own TV series. The underperformance of an otherwise good program like Ms. Marvel is due to a lack of interest in the Marvel brand, see also the dismal performance of Secret Invasion. And? I still think it is wrong, and you agree to it would seem. It doesn't really matter how meaningful a movie attempts to be if its storytelling is ineffective and just fails to click with the viewer. Nether Wakanda Forever or Eternals are what I would describe as being fun movies to watch over and over again with friends and family at a get-together, the former is pretty depressing, very cold at times, and probably longer than it needs to be. Eternals I would apply the same as well, except instead of "depressing" I would say "dull". Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness has some fun scenes and exciting action, but it's pretty dark and disturbing in parts that won't sit well with that many people - you have a Wanda Maximoff who takes possession of a variant from a different universe who goes around popping heads, breaking necks, and slicing people in half, chasing the heroes around like horror movie villain, and Doctor Strange reanimating the corpse of a variant of himself. It's more of a movie to watch on Halloween than any other time of the year on any day. Black Widow is fun in some spots, but on the whole it is kind of depressing on account that you know the titular character dies sometime later in Endgame. Shang-Chi is fun, but half-way in the movie slows down too much and loses steam. However, that is really beside the point I was making, which was that you can watch a movie like Top Gun: Maverick and enjoy it without having seen the first movie, the same goes for the whole of the James Bond franchise. And for me personally I was able to follow The Bourne Ultimatum quite well in 2007 despite not seen either of the last two films before watching it. Other examples would be the sort of content Marvel Studios released before Phase Four. As the next Avengers is pushed back, so to is Shang Chi 2, because Shang Chi 2 is to always follow the next Avengers movie. And the pushback is due to the Strikes.
It took them years to do the sequel to Black Panther, which still wasn't finalized even when Boseman was still alive. So the "they should get on it ASAP" thing isn't really an argument.
No real reports, not until the strikes happened.
The majority flipped out when they saw the promo images of Patrick Stewart as Xavier and there parroting the theory around as well.
I'm merely pointing out the double standards here.
You didn't believe me when I reminded you how everyone was sure Guardians 1 would bomb either.
She was featured in all those titles and disliked for the same (sadly) bigoted reasons: Certain people simply don't like seeing nonwhites in their White Supremacy series.
Secret Invasion dismally performed...just like Andor for Star Wars, despite Andor being some of the best SW material in over 30 years.
I'm saying it still happens.
It means that the studio took the chance on that, and given all the complaining about them not taking bigger chances I find the response to be hilarious.
So a movie meant to be depressing and cold ended up being just that, good.
That's the kind of stuff the "fans" have been asking from the MCU, "darker and edgier" stuff.
No even by Phase 3 you needed to start following things. Phase 4 merely amped that up to include the D+ shows.
ANd like I said, Top Gun Maverick is no different from Sounds of Freedom.
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Post by scabab on Sept 24, 2023 1:39:44 GMT
They weren't any better though. Shang Chi about on par and Wakanda Forever weaker. Shang Chi was better than First Avenger, Thors 1 and 2, Iron Mans 2 and 3, Age of Ultron, Ant-Man and Guardians 2. So was Wakanda Forever Shang Chi was just on par with those really, not particularly better or worse. Wakanda Forever was only better than two or maybe three if that. Plus those two always being your go to movies just proves it all. Every since Endgame, that Spider-Man movie is the only banger they've had, the only one recognised as such. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was well liked, on par with the others. The rest... decent at best. Black Widow was kind of a dud, Eternals was a dud, Thor 4 was definitely a dud, Wakanda Forever was a dud especially when compared to the first one, same with Doctor Strange 2, Ant-Man 3 was a dud. I don't know what they're playing at. Based on the trailer for that Captain Marvel 2 that looks like another sure fire dud. I didn't even mind the first one but this is the first one I've got no interest in seeing. It's all gone real downhill.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 24, 2023 2:16:28 GMT
Any specific reasons as to why you didn't like them? Sorry, but that attempt at virtue signaling isn't going to impress anybody, try TikTok. There's no such thing as "Virtue Signaling", and yes the MCU was a White Male Supremacy series until 2018. And predictably, as soon as a major black movie came along and then a female led one, the "fans" lost their minds over the "contamination".
I don't dislike them, I just feel they were mediocre and didn't push the envelope terribly hard.
Yes, there is such a thing as virtue signaling, and you are doing it right now, either honestly or trying to hijack yet another thread with your nonsense. Then why do you think they're mediocre? What didn't they do to "push the envelope" as you say?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Sept 24, 2023 2:19:21 GMT
No it doesn't. If you can't provide a good and respectable source that is unbiased, give me a reason why I should I agree with you? It does, it spells out how the movie is gutless fanservice. Timestamp where it fails at this. I quite clearly asked for a source that provides data that supports your claim that the majority of people who went to see No Way Home had no interest in Tom Holland's iteration of the character. However, I think you know quite well what I was asking but are just baiting me into another of your endless traps. Evidently, you seem to enjoy this practice quite a bit, and since you are not at risk of getting banned on this message board like you did on Knowhere, you are taking full advantage of trolling.
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