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Post by sdm3 on Nov 1, 2023 15:20:45 GMT
No commitment to the idea yet -but even having these talks already tells you everything you need to know about how they feel regarding the state of the franchise post-Endgame and the current roster.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 1, 2023 20:52:25 GMT
It's not enough for the new movies to be weak, we gotta devalue the previous ones.
Sidenote, but looking at back at that poster, it's funny to think that Chris Evans/Cap was once less poular Jeremy Renner/Hawkeye.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 1, 2023 23:11:39 GMT
Isn’t that what Secret Wars is for?
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2023 3:12:44 GMT
Source: Trust me Bro
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 2, 2023 5:07:55 GMT
Cannot work at all whatsoever if they're not multiverse bizarro characters, thus somewhat highlighting this entire multiverse era the MCU has stumbled & bumbled about with. If we get RDJ waltzing back into frame as the Tony Stark we knew, it's a huge L for me & post-Endgame's legacy.
To that point, not including them might even seem weird if they're going to put onscreen dozens of other Marvel characters from other dimensions or whatever.
I see ppl want to believe Tobey Maguire & Hugh Jackman should be the headliners for Secret Wars... that'd be something, not sure if great, but it would be something.
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Post by sdm3 on Nov 2, 2023 6:46:48 GMT
Actually the source is Variety.
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Post by sdm3 on Nov 2, 2023 8:11:34 GMT
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 2, 2023 11:30:50 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 2, 2023 12:19:07 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see anyone and everyone show up in Secret Wars, but it has to be a one-off situation and feature the entire current MCU, or the whole thing will feel like a desperate attempt to recapture the glory days. You can only make so many wink-wink nostalgia flicks, and they did it twice already with Endgame and No Way Home. If you're going to reboot those legacy characters, you need to recast.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Nov 2, 2023 15:31:56 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised to see anyone and everyone show up in Secret Wars, but it has to be a one-off situation and feature the entire current MCU, or the whole thing will feel like a desperate attempt to recapture the glory days. You can only make so many wink-wink nostalgia flicks, and they did it twice already with Endgame and No Way Home. If you're going to reboot those legacy characters, you need to recast. Yep. I also don't think nostalgia works so well when an actor/character already has a boatload of appearances. Michael Keaton was Batman twice. Reeve was Superman in 2 credible outings. RDJ was in 10 movies with his Hulk stinger? The other major note no pun is MCU has got to understand the demographics - fans age. If the current dreck is what young ppl of the now are growing up with for the MCU, there's not must rescuing if they're not even interested in payoff. Like stamping 'Harry Potter' on things for kids today... when it was the 00's kids who were physically given HP books to line up for & read, & grow along with the franchise's cast. 2025 'From the world of Harry Potter' just is not the same. As for Kang, the MCU has already a proven record of distancing itself - from Ed Norton's Incredible Hulk. Not to mention Ant-Man 3 wasn't even a huge deal with or without Majors' legal woes. Still... they're treading dangerously close to The Rise of Skywalker painting the Titanic whilst sinking territory for me. I think MCU going all-in with a Kang recasting, & downplaying his screen presence on middling stuff like TV shows, would help. Also - putting the gravity of things on Fantastic Four & X-Men, away from Avengers as we know them, could also usher in new, younger, audience.
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Post by daniel on Dec 6, 2023 15:44:11 GMT
It's not enough for the new movies to be weak, we gotta devalue the previous ones. Sidenote, but looking at back at that poster, it's funny to think that Chris Evans/Cap was once less poular Jeremy Renner/Hawkeye. When was Chris Evans/Cap less popular then Jeremy Runner/Hawkeye? Hawkeye toy arrow jokes have been a thing since Avengers started filming in 2011.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 6, 2023 15:45:57 GMT
It's not enough for the new movies to be weak, we gotta devalue the previous ones. Sidenote, but looking at back at that poster, it's funny to think that Chris Evans/Cap was once less poular Jeremy Renner/Hawkeye. When was Chris Evans/Cap less popular then Jeremy Runner/Hawkeye? Hawkeye toy arrow jokes have been a thing since Avengers started filming in 2011. I literally just referenced when and why in the very post you quoted.
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Post by daniel on Dec 6, 2023 15:51:16 GMT
When was Chris Evans/Cap less popular then Jeremy Runner/Hawkeye? Hawkeye toy arrow jokes have been a thing since Avengers started filming in 2011. I literally just referenced when and why in the very post you quoted. Oh, okay it's the poster's design. Not sure that's meant to convey the opinions of a character felt by the fans but okay.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 6, 2023 16:21:20 GMT
I literally just referenced when and why in the very post you quoted. Oh, okay it's the poster's design. Not sure that's meant to convey the opinions of a character felt by the fans but okay. "Hey, it's me Bob Marketing. I'm gonna put the less popular character in the front 3-4 and the more popular character further in the back because that's how promotion and selling things to a wide audience works. This glue sure smells good."
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Post by daniel on Dec 6, 2023 16:57:44 GMT
Oh, okay it's the poster's design. Not sure that's meant to convey the opinions of a character felt by the fans but okay. "Hey, it's me Bob Marketing. I'm gonna put the less popular character in the front 3-4 and the more popular character further in the back because that's how promotion and selling things to a wide audience works. This glue sure smells good." Yet put him at the back along with the Hulk and Nick Fury two other characters everybody just loves less than the fantastic toy arrow guy. It's a poorly thoughtout poster, that's it. Captain America is also positioned on top of something keeping a lookout which he did in the movie, funnily enough.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 6, 2023 19:29:36 GMT
It's not enough for the new movies to be weak, we gotta devalue the previous ones. Sidenote, but looking at back at that poster, it's funny to think that Chris Evans/Cap was once less poular Jeremy Renner/Hawkeye. When was Chris Evans/Cap less popular then Jeremy Runner/Hawkeye? Hawkeye toy arrow jokes have been a thing since Avengers started filming in 2011. Renner had been the lead in a best picture winner and had been nominated for two Oscars by then. There's no question he was the bigger star at that time.
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Post by daniel on Dec 6, 2023 19:41:27 GMT
When was Chris Evans/Cap less popular then Jeremy Runner/Hawkeye? Hawkeye toy arrow jokes have been a thing since Avengers started filming in 2011. Renner had been the lead in a best picture winner and had been nominated for two Oscars by then. There's no question he was the bigger star at that time. Don't remember people flocking to the Avengers because Jeremy Renner won some Oscars.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 6, 2023 20:37:38 GMT
"Hey, it's me Bob Marketing. I'm gonna put the less popular character in the front 3-4 and the more popular character further in the back because that's how promotion and selling things to a wide audience works. This glue sure smells good." Yet put him at the back along with the Hulk and Nick Fury two other characters everybody just loves less than the fantastic toy arrow guy. It's a poorly thoughtout poster, that's it. Captain America is also positioned on top of something keeping a lookout which he did in the movie, funnily enough. I don't think it's a coincidence that Renner, who was on the come up at the time with two back to back Oscar nominations and being courted to lead a few major action franchises, got positioned over Evans who had been struggling for a bit before getting Cap. Also, I remember the reaction to that first CA movie being sort of a shrug. Financially, it made significantly less than the Iron Mans and Thor, and possibly didn't even get its money back. Cap/Evans of course blew up with the sequels and Avengers itself.
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Post by daniel on Dec 6, 2023 20:48:28 GMT
Yet put him at the back along with the Hulk and Nick Fury two other characters everybody just loves less than the fantastic toy arrow guy. It's a poorly thoughtout poster, that's it. Captain America is also positioned on top of something keeping a lookout which he did in the movie, funnily enough. I don't think it's a coincidence that Renner, who was on the come up at the time with two back to back Oscar nominations and being courted to lead a few major action franchises, got positioned over Evans who had been struggling for a bit before getting Cap. Also, I remember the reaction to that first CA movie being sort of a shrug. Financially, it made significantly less than the Iron Mans and Thor, and possibly didn't even get its money back. Cap/Evans of course blew up with the sequels and Avengers itself. When the Avengers was in development Jeremy Renner wasn't the main attraction or gossip, people kept talking about Robert Downey Jr and how Steve Rogers would awaken in the present day, never heard any excitement about Jeremy Renner or his character. The closest may be the gossip about Hawkeye's costume having the mask from the comics or not, but that's about it. The poster positioned Robert Downey ahead of Jeremy Renner who didn't win an Oscar so would have to disagree with you.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Dec 6, 2023 21:08:59 GMT
Renner had been the lead in a best picture winner and had been nominated for two Oscars by then. There's no question he was the bigger star at that time. Don't remember people flocking to the Avengers because Jeremy Renner won some Oscars. Don't remember anyone saying they did. (And he was nominated, he didn't win.) Also don't remember anyone flocking to see anything Evans was in before Avengers. But Renner was the more recognizable, popular actor when Avengers was released, it's a fact not worth arguing.
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