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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 2, 2024 20:03:07 GMT
Regardless of current team makeup or trade options
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 2, 2024 20:16:50 GMT
I really am not familiar enough with college football to weigh in.
But the glut of jokes and headlines that would be formulated for a Michael Penis Jr would be worth it no matter how his career turned out.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 2, 2024 22:49:50 GMT
Penix Jr. & I'll be here in April when the Patriots don't agree.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 3, 2024 14:37:39 GMT
I'd go Penix, though his injury history is a concern.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 3, 2024 16:50:51 GMT
I don't know college football well enough to vote. Tempted to say Nix for no particular reason.
Saw only the ends of both games, which was perfect.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 3, 2024 17:05:49 GMT
It all depends on what type of QB you are looking for.
Caleb Williams is more of a create out of structure QB. Got a bad oline he has the ability to dodge a sack and create. NFL Comp: Patrick Mahomes
Drake Maye while a decent athlete is more of the standard go through your progressions and process. NFL Comp: Justin Herbert
Jayden Daniels used to be a run first type of threat and showed improved passing this year. NFL Comp: Justin Fields
Penix Jr has a wonky but accurate arm. However never looked this good in the past while Washington is loaded with WR talent. Plus he has some injuries that will likely drop him in the draft. NFL Comp: Philip Rivers
Bo Nix I honestly have no opinion.
I would take Williams because of his ability to create out of structure. I think he is getting knocked too much for this past year. USC had no defense whatsoever so he probably felt he needed to put up 50 just to compete. He may have just had too much pressure to be perfect every week.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 3, 2024 17:38:27 GMT
It all depends on what type of QB you are looking for. Caleb Williams is more of a create out of structure QB. Got a bad oline he has the ability to dodge a sack and create. NFL Comp: Patrick Mahomes Drake Maye while a decent athlete is more of the standard go through your progressions and process. NFL Comp: Justin Herbert Jayden Daniels used to be a run first type of threat and showed improved passing this year. NFL Comp: Justin Fields Penix Jr has a wonky but accurate arm. However never looked this good in the past while Washington is loaded with WR talent. Plus he has some injuries that will likely drop him in the draft. NFL Comp: Philip Rivers Bo Nix I honestly have no opinion. I would take Williams because of his ability to create out of structure. I think he is getting knocked too much for this past year. USC had no defense whatsoever so he probably felt he needed to put up 50 just to compete. He may have just had too much pressure to be perfect every week. At his best, Williams reminds me of Mahomes. At his worst, he's crying to his mother on the sidelines after a loss. I'd rather draft an adult.
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 3, 2024 18:31:22 GMT
On a somewhat related note, I assume the Bears will trade Fields and use #1 overall to pick Williams. On a human level, it could be tough as by all accounts Fields is loved within the Chicago locker room. Of course, that's not something the suits are going to care about but Williams might have some work to do to gain the trust of his teammates, especially if this silver-spoon diva reputation is accurate.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 3, 2024 19:59:33 GMT
On a somewhat related note, I assume the Bears will trade Fields and use #1 overall to pick Williams. On a human level, it could be tough as by all accounts Fields is loved within the Chicago locker room. Of course, that's not something the suits are going to care about but Williams might have some work to do to gain the trust of his teammates, especially if this silver-spoon diva reputation is accurate. On the other hand, if the Bears decided to stick with Fields, they could get a fortune for the #1 pick. Maybe more than last year since Williams and Maye are more favorable looked on then Young and Stroud were last year.
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Post by NJtoTX on Jan 3, 2024 20:28:01 GMT
On another topic, which coaches get fired Monday?
Rivera for sure.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 3, 2024 20:41:08 GMT
It all depends on what type of QB you are looking for. Caleb Williams is more of a create out of structure QB. Got a bad oline he has the ability to dodge a sack and create. NFL Comp: Patrick Mahomes Drake Maye while a decent athlete is more of the standard go through your progressions and process. NFL Comp: Justin Herbert Jayden Daniels used to be a run first type of threat and showed improved passing this year. NFL Comp: Justin Fields Penix Jr has a wonky but accurate arm. However never looked this good in the past while Washington is loaded with WR talent. Plus he has some injuries that will likely drop him in the draft. NFL Comp: Philip Rivers Bo Nix I honestly have no opinion. I would take Williams because of his ability to create out of structure. I think he is getting knocked too much for this past year. USC had no defense whatsoever so he probably felt he needed to put up 50 just to compete. He may have just had too much pressure to be perfect every week. At his best, Williams reminds me of Mahomes. At his worst, he's crying to his mother on the sidelines after a loss. I'd rather draft an adult. The Caleb Williams slander is gonna go into hyperdrive closer to draft time. I dont see why him crying after a loss is such a big deal. Couldn't it just be argued that he cares too much? Isn't that a good thing? The dude was being asked to be superman every time he went out there. Maybe he hit a breaking point where he was expected to do too much and failed and it hit him hard? I dont see why its an issue the same as I never thought it was an issue when these players sat out bowl games yet I remember that being a discussion on here before how some posters would never draft a guy that sat out a bowl game. It comes down to a couple things, is he really good at football and or is he committing a crime? As long as he is good at football and not committing crimes there should be no issue drafting him. Last I checked getting emotional after a loss isn't a crime and last I checked he's really good at football. Dan Campbell has cried at the podium after a loss. Never saw anyone questioning him as an adult. Its just imo people looking at a reason to tear a guy down. Which im sure there will be more of as we get closer to the draft.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 3, 2024 20:59:21 GMT
At his best, Williams reminds me of Mahomes. At his worst, he's crying to his mother on the sidelines after a loss. I'd rather draft an adult. The Caleb Williams slander is gonna go into hyperdrive closer to draft time. I dont see why him crying after a loss is such a big deal. Couldn't it just be argued that he cares too much? Isn't that a good thing? The dude was being asked to be superman every time he went out there. Maybe he hit a breaking point where he was expected to do too much and failed and it hit him hard? I dont see why its an issue the same as I never thought it was an issue when these players sat out bowl games yet I remember that being a discussion on here before how some posters would never draft a guy that sat out a bowl game. It comes down to a couple things, is he really good at football and or is he committing a crime? As long as he is good at football and not committing crimes there should be no issue drafting him. Last I checked getting emotional after a loss isn't a crime and last I checked he's really good at football. Dan Campbell has cried at the podium after a loss. Never saw anyone questioning him as an adult. Its just imo people looking at a reason to tear a guy down. Which im sure there will be more of as we get closer to the draft. I'm not looking for a reason to tear him down, mental toughness is a legitimate concern for me. Crying in the locker room or at the podium while discussing the game is completely different from crying to your mother in the stands. You're right, I want my players to actually give a shit about what they're doing. But to me, that was a little too much emotion on the field after a random regular season loss. It might mean nothing, it would be great if he really was the next Mahomes. Just voicing my concerns.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 3, 2024 21:00:57 GMT
On a somewhat related note, I assume the Bears will trade Fields and use #1 overall to pick Williams. On a human level, it could be tough as by all accounts Fields is loved within the Chicago locker room. Of course, that's not something the suits are going to care about but Williams might have some work to do to gain the trust of his teammates, especially if this silver-spoon diva reputation is accurate. The Bears are definitely the #1 storyline come the offseason. I can understand the reasoning behind whatever decision they end up making. This regime didn't draft Fields so they have zero loyalty to him. What makes the most sense to me is that trading him and drafting Williams resets the QB rookie wage scale. Has Fields improved? Yes, but has he shown enough to warrant the type of contract he will get in a year? I dont think he has shown enough where I would feel comfortable paying him. Smarter to reset while you basically lucked into the #1 pick because Carolina is dumb. I'd much rather draft Caleb, trade Fields for likely a 2nd round pick. Use the money saved to build the rest of the team in offseason. Compared to trading the #1 for likely 3 first rounders and paying Fields. Id bet on Caleb as a talent than I would bet on Fields plus hitting on those extra picks.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 3, 2024 21:14:42 GMT
On a somewhat related note, I assume the Bears will trade Fields and use #1 overall to pick Williams. On a human level, it could be tough as by all accounts Fields is loved within the Chicago locker room. Of course, that's not something the suits are going to care about but Williams might have some work to do to gain the trust of his teammates, especially if this silver-spoon diva reputation is accurate. The Bears are definitely the #1 storyline come the offseason. I can understand the reasoning behind whatever decision they end up making. This regime didn't draft Fields so they have zero loyalty to him. What makes the most sense to me is that trading him and drafting Williams resets the QB rookie wage scale. Has Fields improved? Yes, but has he shown enough to warrant the type of contract he will get in a year? I dont think he has shown enough where I would feel comfortable paying him. Smarter to reset while you basically lucked into the #1 pick because Carolina is dumb. I'd much rather draft Caleb, trade Fields for likely a 2nd round pick. Use the money saved to build the rest of the team in offseason. Compared to trading the #1 for likely 3 first rounders and paying Fields. Id bet on Caleb as a talent than I would bet on Fields plus hitting on those extra picks. Carolina said pretty much the same thing last year. Get the #1 pick at all cost and get the team future franchise QB. And Bryce Young still could be that. But you traded away your best WR and now the #1 overall. I'm not tearing down Caleb Williams, but i don't think he's a sure fire star, another Elway or Peyton. Sometimes its better to go with the devil you know...
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 3, 2024 21:19:02 GMT
The Caleb Williams slander is gonna go into hyperdrive closer to draft time. I dont see why him crying after a loss is such a big deal. Couldn't it just be argued that he cares too much? Isn't that a good thing? The dude was being asked to be superman every time he went out there. Maybe he hit a breaking point where he was expected to do too much and failed and it hit him hard? I dont see why its an issue the same as I never thought it was an issue when these players sat out bowl games yet I remember that being a discussion on here before how some posters would never draft a guy that sat out a bowl game. It comes down to a couple things, is he really good at football and or is he committing a crime? As long as he is good at football and not committing crimes there should be no issue drafting him. Last I checked getting emotional after a loss isn't a crime and last I checked he's really good at football. Dan Campbell has cried at the podium after a loss. Never saw anyone questioning him as an adult. Its just imo people looking at a reason to tear a guy down. Which im sure there will be more of as we get closer to the draft. I'm not looking for a reason to tear him down, mental toughness is a legitimate concern for me. Crying in the locker room or at the podium while discussing the game is completely different from crying to your mother in the stands. You're right, I want my players to actually give a shit about what they're doing. But to me, that was a little too much emotion on the field after a random regular season loss. It might mean nothing, it would be great if he really was the next Mahomes. Just voicing my concerns. I just don't see how that changes anything about evaluating him as a football player. If it was a consistent thing after every loss maybe but it was a one off occurrence that is over blown. It just shows to me that maybe he cares too much. Doesn't show lack of maturity to me either. Some people just wear emotions on their sleeve. Last I checked I won't have to worry about him getting suspended over crying compared to letting your emotions out in a violent way. Reminds me of Skip Bayless talking trash about Dak when he opened up about his mental health and depression. Trying to tear him down for it like it somehow made him less of a man for admitting it. Not saying you are doing that but questioning his maturity because of it gave off that vibe a bit.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 3, 2024 21:24:59 GMT
I'm not looking for a reason to tear him down, mental toughness is a legitimate concern for me. Crying in the locker room or at the podium while discussing the game is completely different from crying to your mother in the stands. You're right, I want my players to actually give a shit about what they're doing. But to me, that was a little too much emotion on the field after a random regular season loss. It might mean nothing, it would be great if he really was the next Mahomes. Just voicing my concerns. I just don't see how that changes anything about evaluating him as a football player. If it was a consistent thing after every loss maybe but it was a one off occurrence that is over blown. It just shows to me that maybe he cares too much. Doesn't show lack of maturity to me either. Some people just wear emotions on their sleeve. Last I checked I won't have to worry about him getting suspended over crying compared to letting your emotions out in a violent way. Reminds me of Skip Bayless talking trash about Dak when he opened up about his mental health and depression. Trying to tear him down for it like it somehow made him less of a man for admitting it. Not saying you are doing that but questioning his maturity because of it gave off that vibe a bit. I definitely prefer him crying on the sideline to him drunk driving or beating women, so there's that.
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Post by Shane Falco on Jan 3, 2024 21:30:00 GMT
The Bears are definitely the #1 storyline come the offseason. I can understand the reasoning behind whatever decision they end up making. This regime didn't draft Fields so they have zero loyalty to him. What makes the most sense to me is that trading him and drafting Williams resets the QB rookie wage scale. Has Fields improved? Yes, but has he shown enough to warrant the type of contract he will get in a year? I dont think he has shown enough where I would feel comfortable paying him. Smarter to reset while you basically lucked into the #1 pick because Carolina is dumb. I'd much rather draft Caleb, trade Fields for likely a 2nd round pick. Use the money saved to build the rest of the team in offseason. Compared to trading the #1 for likely 3 first rounders and paying Fields. Id bet on Caleb as a talent than I would bet on Fields plus hitting on those extra picks. Carolina said pretty much the same thing last year. Get the #1 pick at all cost and get the team future franchise QB. And Bryce Young still could be that. But you traded away your best WR and now the #1 overall. I'm not tearing down Caleb Williams, but i don't think he's a sure fire star, another Elway or Peyton. Sometimes its better to go with the devil you know...
There is no such thing as a sure fire star. Carolina had to mortgage the future to trade up for Young. Chicago doesn't have to worry about that. They lucked into this situation while being competitive down the stretch. They won't need to sell away anything, instead they can just build up. They need to decide how high of a ceiling Fields gives them compared to Williams as best case scenario you are not in this situation again. Williams talent imo is a higher ceiling specially adding in having to pay Fields much sooner who imo hasn't earned a top pay day yet. The devil they know in Fields is an inconsistent player. Caleb right away likely gives them similar but with a higher ceiling while being cheaper. They should take advantage of this situation they lucked into.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jan 3, 2024 21:53:43 GMT
Carolina said pretty much the same thing last year. Get the #1 pick at all cost and get the team future franchise QB. And Bryce Young still could be that. But you traded away your best WR and now the #1 overall. I'm not tearing down Caleb Williams, but i don't think he's a sure fire star, another Elway or Peyton. Sometimes its better to go with the devil you know...
There is no such thing as a sure fire star. Carolina had to mortgage the future to trade up for Young. Chicago doesn't have to worry about that. They lucked into this situation while being competitive down the stretch. They won't need to sell away anything, instead they can just build up. They need to decide how high of a ceiling Fields gives them compared to Williams as best case scenario you are not in this situation again. Williams talent imo is a higher ceiling specially adding in having to pay Fields much sooner who imo hasn't earned a top pay day yet. The devil they know in Fields is an inconsistent player. Caleb right away likely gives them similar but with a higher ceiling while being cheaper. They should take advantage of this situation they lucked into. And if Caleb Williams is JaMarcus Russell 2.0, the Bears have screwed to pooch. It takes 2-3 years to give up on a 1st round QB. Then 2-3 years to get another one. More if you find out that Caleb sucks in a year without a QB prospect, like 2022. It could cost the Bears five years of development if they fuck this up.
I'm not saying Williams is a guaranteed bust. He could be the next big thing. But I wish he had accomplished more at USC. And his numbers dropped severely this season, always troubling (but so did Dan Marino's)
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 3, 2024 22:02:03 GMT
Johnny Utah.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 3, 2024 22:21:59 GMT
I always want my draft picks to be high.
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