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Post by transfuged on Feb 21, 2024 19:21:17 GMT
Novastar6 School can’t teach things about politics before university grades, here. The law forbids it. (Legal rules, not the law per se). Teaching is not different from what you pretend it is. Not sorry for sore head. Don’t believe it. Hugs, anyway. Sorry, had to go to work, did not wrote everything about that point. When they don’t want children to get taught about politics in school, that is because they do not want them to think properly about it. That notion of education is restricted, typical of people who do not want children growing into adults who shall know how to exercise their mind and criticize ”narratives ”, urban legends, myths which are sold to them when raw information is requested. Education, teaching can change the way individuals think.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 22, 2024 0:57:29 GMT
The Bonpos case was relatively minor, and occurred in the 7th century. It ended with a melding of Buddhist and Bon tenets. It's hardly comparable to the Christian/Native Americans history. As for the Myanmar incident, it involved three individuals. And it's regrettable that it involved Buddhists, but I haven't yet made the claim that any religion is free from a lunatic/fanatic/zealot fringe. Buddhists were involved, but this is not representative of the actions or teachings of Buddhism as a whole. Again, this incident is not a happy one but it's a very far cry from the centuries-long efforts made by the Church to force the Native peoples of the Americas to accept Christianity.
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Post by transfuged on Feb 22, 2024 1:43:41 GMT
The Bonpos case was relatively minor, and occurred in the 7th century. It ended with a melding of Buddhist and Bon tenets. It's hardly comparable to the Christian/Native Americans history. As for the Myanmar incident, it involved three individuals. And it's regrettable that it involved Buddhists, but I haven't yet made the claim that any religion is free from a lunatic/fanatic/zealot fringe. Buddhists were involved, but this is not representative of the actions or teachings of Buddhism as a whole. Again, this incident is not a happy one but it's a very far cry from the centuries-long efforts made by the Church to force the Native peoples of the Americas to accept Christianity. You-are-learning ! What applies to Buddha applies to Moses, Jesus, Muhammad. Ps, did you go to a shrine ?
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Post by clusium on Feb 22, 2024 12:23:27 GMT
The Bonpos case was relatively minor, and occurred in the 7th century. It ended with a melding of Buddhist and Bon tenets. It's hardly comparable to the Christian/Native Americans history. As for the Myanmar incident, it involved three individuals. And it's regrettable that it involved Buddhists, but I haven't yet made the claim that any religion is free from a lunatic/fanatic/zealot fringe. Buddhists were involved, but this is not representative of the actions or teachings of Buddhism as a whole. Again, this incident is not a happy one but it's a very far cry from the centuries-long efforts made by the Church to force the Native peoples of the Americas to accept Christianity. transfuged (& I, likewise make the exact same sentiments):
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Post by amyghost on Feb 23, 2024 2:02:47 GMT
The Bonpos case was relatively minor, and occurred in the 7th century. It ended with a melding of Buddhist and Bon tenets. It's hardly comparable to the Christian/Native Americans history. As for the Myanmar incident, it involved three individuals. And it's regrettable that it involved Buddhists, but I haven't yet made the claim that any religion is free from a lunatic/fanatic/zealot fringe. Buddhists were involved, but this is not representative of the actions or teachings of Buddhism as a whole. Again, this incident is not a happy one but it's a very far cry from the centuries-long efforts made by the Church to force the Native peoples of the Americas to accept Christianity. transfuged (& I, likewise make the exact same sentiments): However, unless you're conceding that the RCC is made up of a preponderance of lunatic fringe, this doesn't in any way alter the fact that Christians (and in large measure Catholic Christians) have the longest and most dismal history of attempts to convert native peoples. It's a still ongoing and still aggressive drive to push a sort of religious colonialism throughout the non-Christian world--as well as those parts of the Christian world who are culturally apart from it. Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad were three very separate beings whose missions may have borne surface similarities in some respects, but were quite widely differing in others. The only thing I can see that applies to all three equally is that as often as not their followers have had, more often than not, a rather poor track record of following their basic precepts. And in my view, Christians have the worst record of the three for tending towards aggressive proselytization, which runs exactly counter to what Jesus advised. (BTW, Islam/Muhammad favors proselytization-- da'wa--which neither Jesus or Buddha did.) And I suspect he would not have looked on those residential schools, nor the ideas that brought them into being, with much favor.
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Post by clusium on Feb 23, 2024 4:24:12 GMT
transfuged (& I, likewise make the exact same sentiments): However, unless you're conceding that the RCC is made up of a preponderance of lunatic fringe, this doesn't in any way alter the fact that Christians (and in large measure Catholic Christians) have the longest and most dismal history of attempts to convert native peoples. It's a still ongoing and still aggressive drive to push a sort of religious colonialism throughout the non-Christian world--as well as those parts of the Christian world who are culturally apart from it. Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad were three very separate beings whose missions may have borne surface similarities in some respects, but were quite widely differing in others. The only thing I can see that applies to all three equally is that as often as not their followers have had, more often than not, a rather poor track record of following their basic precepts. And in my view, Christians have the worst record of the three for tending towards aggressive proselytization, which runs exactly counter to what Jesus advised. (BTW, Islam/Muhammad favors proselytization-- da'wa--which neither Jesus or Buddha did.) And I suspect he would not have looked on those residential schools, nor the ideas that brought them into being, with much favour. Oh, I acknowledge that there have been many atrocities committed in the Name of Christianity (Catholicism in particular) down through the millennia. Pope St. John Paul II himself did so himself, back in the Jubilee year. Pope Asks For Forgiveness For The Church's Error In 2,000 Years
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Post by amyghost on Feb 23, 2024 12:43:14 GMT
However, unless you're conceding that the RCC is made up of a preponderance of lunatic fringe, this doesn't in any way alter the fact that Christians (and in large measure Catholic Christians) have the longest and most dismal history of attempts to convert native peoples. It's a still ongoing and still aggressive drive to push a sort of religious colonialism throughout the non-Christian world--as well as those parts of the Christian world who are culturally apart from it. Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad were three very separate beings whose missions may have borne surface similarities in some respects, but were quite widely differing in others. The only thing I can see that applies to all three equally is that as often as not their followers have had, more often than not, a rather poor track record of following their basic precepts. And in my view, Christians have the worst record of the three for tending towards aggressive proselytization, which runs exactly counter to what Jesus advised. (BTW, Islam/Muhammad favors proselytization-- da'wa--which neither Jesus or Buddha did.) And I suspect he would not have looked on those residential schools, nor the ideas that brought them into being, with much favour. Oh, I acknowledge that there have been many atrocities committed in the Name of Christianity (Catholicism in particular) down through the millennia. Pope St. John Paul II himself did so himself, back in the Jubilee year. Pope Asks For Forgiveness For The Church's Error In 2,000 YearsAsking forgiveness is not sufficient at this point. Worldly actions in the shape of reforms (that would need to be ongoing, not simply cursory ones to appease public opinion for a time), and reparational compensations are needed; and the Vatican has shown little sign of voluntarily acting on either.
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Post by clusium on Feb 23, 2024 15:28:25 GMT
Asking forgiveness is not sufficient at this point. Worldly actions in the shape of reforms (that would need to be ongoing, not simply cursory ones to appease public opinion for a time), and reparational compensations are needed; and the Vatican has shown little sign of voluntarily acting on either. Yes, & the Church has been working on that. Pope Francis even came to visit the First Nations people when those supposed mass graves were found. A great many Native Americans and/or First Nations people are very devout Christians, BTW. I recall back at the WYD vigil in 2002 some of the speakers were First Nations, & they proudly talked about their faith.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 24, 2024 11:54:13 GMT
At this point practical actions would impress me far more than 'thoughts and prayers'.
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Post by ralfy on Feb 25, 2024 5:59:45 GMT
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