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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 6, 2017 15:24:14 GMT
I just do.
Sorry if you were expecting a lengthy treatise filled with biased rationalizations passing themselves off as objective facts.
I also prefer vanilla over chocolate ice cream.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 16:06:23 GMT
Me too. I hope there will a time its to choose.
All DCEU movies I have seen so far have been crap. All MCU movies I have seen so far are great.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 6, 2017 16:13:40 GMT
As do I, and I say this as I enjoyed the hell out of Wonder Woman.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 6, 2017 16:24:14 GMT
Me too. I hope there will a time its to choose. All DCEU movies I have seen so far have been crap. All MCU movies I have seen so far are great. The funny thing is, I don't even care enough about DCEU films to rate them. For me, going to see a DCEU movie is like going to see a Transformers film. I might have fun but, I'm not into Transformers like that...
I'm not interested in overpowered, square-jawed super gods who have no flaws, never make mistakes and are impossible to beat.SaveSave
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 6, 2017 16:54:51 GMT
Me too. I hope there will a time its to choose. All DCEU movies I have seen so far have been crap. All MCU movies I have seen so far are great. I'm not interested in overpowered, square-jawed super gods who have no flaws, never make mistakes and are impossible to beat.SaveSavemust be talking about Thor and Cap America? Cause last time I checked those DC heroes were heavily criticised for being edgy, flawed, angry to fanatical/murderous, and they got beaten up pretty bad, yes, even got killed in the end...
WonderWoman I don't know, but the lady sure ain't square-jawed?
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 6, 2017 17:01:50 GMT
I'm not interested in overpowered, square-jawed super gods who have no flaws, never make mistakes and are impossible to beat.SaveSavemust be talking about Thor and Cap America? Cause last time I checked those DC heroes were heavily criticised for being edgy, flawed, angry to fanatical/murderous, and they got beaten up pretty bad, yes, even got killed in the end...
WonderWoman I don't know, but the lady sure ain't square-jawed?
I'm not talking about Thor or Captain America. And, I'm not talking about movie depictions of DCEU characters either. And while Wonder Woman may not literally have a square jaw - she's not exactly one to doubt herself or the moral certitude of her mission. And that's fine, I'm just not interested in it. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 6, 2017 18:54:19 GMT
I'm not interested in overpowered, square-jawed super gods who have no flaws, never make mistakes and are impossible to beat.SaveSavemust be talking about Thor and Cap America? Cause last time I checked those DC heroes were heavily criticised for being edgy, flawed, angry to fanatical/murderous, and they got beaten up pretty bad, yes, even got killed in the end...
WonderWoman I don't know, but the lady sure ain't square-jawed?
I don't know man, most of the time these DC heroes leave a fight with barely any scratches. When Superman fought Zod in MOS, his hair was still perfectly in shape after the fight and not a single scratch on him. When WW fought Ares, though she has a few smudges here and there she's basically injury free... which is weird since she previously sustained a cut in a beach fight against germans. It would have to be a huge injury before they show it, I.E. Bane breaking Bat's back and Superman getting skewered. Thor and Cap usually sustain cuts and bruises after fights. Plus damaged costumes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 18:56:14 GMT
DC characters have had flaws in the right writing. I highly recommend the Bruce Timm DC Animated universe from the 90s and 00s.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 6, 2017 19:58:00 GMT
must be talking about Thor and Cap America? Cause last time I checked those DC heroes were heavily criticised for being edgy, flawed, angry to fanatical/murderous, and they got beaten up pretty bad, yes, even got killed in the end...
WonderWoman I don't know, but the lady sure ain't square-jawed?
I don't know man, most of the time these DC heroes leave a fight with barely any scratches. When Superman fought Zod in MOS, his hair was still perfectly in shape after the fight and not a single scratch on him. When WW fought Ares, though she has a few smudges here and there she's basically injury free... which is weird since she previously sustained a cut in a beach fight against germans. It would have to be a huge injury before they show it, I.E. Bane breaking Bat's back and Superman getting skewered. Thor and Cap usually sustain cuts and bruises after fights. Plus damaged costumes. well, their outer looks were not so much the point, but if they are written as god-mode Gerry Stus/Mary Sues (which they - mostly - are not, especially not in the DCEU). But it's an interesting topic. Open a thread on it with comparison pictures; I cannot say whether Marvel or DC characters look more busted or realistic after fights. I would not have noticed that Thor or Cap were ever seriously wounded. Same with Antman, Strange etc. But I remember the two DC-guys beaten up a lot, and it shows: - Supes: Him healing rapidly and being unblemished is kind of the point of his powers. But still in BvS he gets kicked and defeated by Bats (looks like shit and whines for Bats to save his mommy), gets later mummified by nuke (show me any Marvel hero who ever looked that busted up, dead and unsexy), in the end he gets killed too...(at least for the movie, will likely pull a Marvel in the next one, but it's still a lot longer than any Marvel protagonist or major sidekick who ever faked death in the MCU). - Bats: kicked up and bruised a lot in Nolan trilogy, especially in BB and in the Bane fight: Could not even walk after that. In BvS he looked busted after that silly end-monster fight. Oh, and Robin is dead too, which counts as a major wound. Other DC characters: Don't know, don't care.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 6, 2017 20:43:32 GMT
DC characters have had flaws in the right writing. I highly recommend the Bruce Timm DC Animated universe from the 90s and 00s. I don't doubt it. My ambivalence towards DC characters is rooted in their strong resemblance to the Greek pantheon of gods (whom I consider to be the greatest douchebags in all of the polytheistic religions). If you were to create a thread on the DC/DCEU board entitled Who would win in a fight between Superman and X, X is most assuredly fucked. Even in the case of someone like Dr. Manhattan - a god who laughs in the face of space and time - Superman, or Batman (with the vaunted prep time) could beat him. A character like the Flash can move at the speed of light, time travel and manipulate reality. I mean, what do you say to that? He could probably beat the Avengers single-handedly, individually or collectively. There are God killer swords, energy sources limited only by a person's willpower or emotional state... It gets to be a bit much for me personally. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 20:54:54 GMT
DC characters have had flaws in the right writing. I highly recommend the Bruce Timm DC Animated universe from the 90s and 00s. I don't doubt it. My ambivalence towards DC characters is rooted in their strong resemblance to the Greek pantheon of gods (whom I consider to be the greatest douchebags in all of the polytheistic religions). If you were to create a thread on the DC/DCEU board entitled Who would win in a fight between Superman and X, X is most assuredly fucked. Even in the case of someone like Dr. Manhattan - a god who laughs in the face of space and time - Superman, or Batman (with the vaunted prep time) could beat him. A character like the Flash can move at the speed of light, time travel and manipulate reality. I'm mean, what do you say to that? He could probably beat the Avengers single-handedly, individually or collectively. There are God killer swords, energy sources limited only by a person's willpower or emotional state... It gets to be a bit much for me personally. SaveSaveAgain, I recommand, Batman: The Animated Series from the 90s, Superman: The Animated Series from the 90s, and the Justice League animated series from 2001-06. Bruce Timm and his creative team did a great job putting checks and balances on the JL members' powers and beefing up the villains enough to be both challenges and legit threats to them.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 6, 2017 21:21:49 GMT
DC characters have had flaws in the right writing. I highly recommend the Bruce Timm DC Animated universe from the 90s and 00s. I don't doubt it. My ambivalence towards DC characters is rooted in their strong resemblance to the Greek pantheon of gods (whom I consider to be the greatest douchebags in all of the polytheistic religions). If you were to create a thread on the DC/DCEU board entitled Who would win in a fight between Superman and X, X is most assuredly fucked. Even in the case of someone like Dr. Manhattan - a god who laughs in the face of space and time - Superman, or Batman (with the vaunted prep time) could beat him. A character like the Flash can move at the speed of light, time travel and manipulate reality. I'm mean, what do you say to that? He could probably beat the Avengers single-handedly, individually or collectively. There are God killer swords, energy sources limited only by a person's willpower or emotional state... It gets to be a bit much for me personally. SaveSaveI've always felt that Batman w/ prep is the most overpowered (and overwanked) comicbook character ever. And yes I agree, majority of DC characters (on paper anyway) have a DBZ tendency.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jun 6, 2017 22:28:33 GMT
I'm not sure it's fair to either party to compare these universes yet. Marvel cannot possibly be expected to change a thing because of 4 new DCEU movies. DC only has those movies; we haven't even seen most of the Justice League in action yet.
After the rest of the solo films in the DCEU and then the first Justice League, then I think comparisons can be fairly made.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 6, 2017 22:53:02 GMT
Why I prefer the MCU over the DCEU is because the DCEU comes off as the anti-MCU line of movies. It doesn't seem like they are just making movies, but actively trying to make them different from the MCU. The MCU is lighter and adventurous and more comic booky so let's make ours darker and broody and more "grounded" and "realistic". Then you have the people behind the movies in interviews. Marvel: We're making such and such movies because we love the character and we are going to push toward something we think people will enjoy. DC: Screw Marvel! We making our characters bad ass. (Okay that was mainly Momoa, but still).
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 6, 2017 23:36:15 GMT
Why I prefer the MCU over the DCEU is because the DCEU comes off as the anti-MCU line of movies. It doesn't seem like they are just making movies, but actively trying to make them different from the MCU. The MCU is lighter and adventurous and more comic booky so let's make ours darker and broody and more "grounded" and "realistic". Then you have the people behind the movies in interviews. Marvel: We're making such and such movies because we love the character and we are going to push toward something we think people will enjoy. DC: Screw Marvel! We making our characters bad ass. (Okay that was mainly Momoa, but still). Marvel, and I'm not talking about the actors, has been exceedingly gracious when it comes to talking about the DCEU. They always wish them well on new releases, and they rarely say anything about DCEU films good or bad after their release. They don't treat the DCEU as competition; they seem just as excited as anyone to see DCEU characters finally get their solo and group films. When you hear Zack Snyder, a DCEU chief up until recently, talk about the MCU, it's always snide remarks and dismissive innuendo. With Marvel characters, movies, and publications, the feeling I get from consuming that material is a visceral thrill - like being on a roller coaster - you get that trippy feeling in your stomach that comes from being able to place yourself in the scenarios more readily. You feel what the characters feel. And, briefly, you get to live vicariously through Spider-Man as he swings down Fifth Avenue or the Black Widow as she rides a massive beast of a motorcycle through a crowded urban area like a boss. With DC characters, and I'm speaking strictly for myself, I feel like I'm being held at arm's length when reading about those characters or watching those movies. You are meant to revere those characters as they stand above you on a pedestal performing god-like actions. It's as if someone were reciting from an ancient chronicle and you were meant to go "Owww" and "Ahhh" with each new herculean feat Superman or Batman pulls off. And if that's what you're into - hey - I dig it, man. It just isn't for me. The images of Superman hovering grandly above "flood-victim" family turned me off completely to that film. I never even bothered to watch another trailer and only saw the film after being dragged out by friends who thought it was a "masterpiece." Suffice it to say, I didn't agree. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 6, 2017 23:42:29 GMT
I don't doubt it. My ambivalence towards DC characters is rooted in their strong resemblance to the Greek pantheon of gods (whom I consider to be the greatest douchebags in all of the polytheistic religions). If you were to create a thread on the DC/DCEU board entitled Who would win in a fight between Superman and X, X is most assuredly fucked. Even in the case of someone like Dr. Manhattan - a god who laughs in the face of space and time - Superman, or Batman (with the vaunted prep time) could beat him. A character like the Flash can move at the speed of light, time travel and manipulate reality. I'm mean, what do you say to that? He could probably beat the Avengers single-handedly, individually or collectively. There are God killer swords, energy sources limited only by a person's willpower or emotional state... It gets to be a bit much for me personally. SaveSaveI've always felt that Batman w/ prep is the most overpowered (and overwanked) comicbook character ever. And yes I agree, majority of DC characters (on paper anyway) have a DBZ tendency. It's not even funny. I heard Superman punched reality itself. SaveSave
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 7, 2017 0:07:17 GMT
I've always felt that Batman w/ prep is the most overpowered (and overwanked) comicbook character ever. And yes I agree, majority of DC characters (on paper anyway) have a DBZ tendency. It's not even funny. I heard Superman punched reality itself. SaveSaveI think it's because DC works on one-upmanship. And that DBZ comparison is pretty true. It's like each new story they come up with a new power/gadget to beat whoever. They try to limit Superman on his powers, but then the next writer comes in and says he can lift more than those 2 buses. Now it's 3!!! Then the next writer has him playing pool with planets. It got to the point where they had to put in that he's limiting himself because he's the strongest person ever and anywhere.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 7, 2017 2:16:33 GMT
It's not even funny. I heard Superman punched reality itself. SaveSaveI think it's because DC works on one-upmanship. And that DBZ comparison is pretty true. It's like each new story they come up with a new power/gadget to beat whoever. They try to limit Superman on his powers, but then the next writer comes in and says he can lift more than those 2 buses. Now it's 3!!! Then the next writer has him playing pool with planets. It got to the point where they had to put in that he's limiting himself because he's the strongest person ever and anywhere. It's also very uncommon for DC heroes to have only 1 or 2 powers. Usually they have 3 or more. Even the Flash, who's only supposed to have superspeed, can still time travel, phase through matter, sling lightning bolts, etc. I think you nailed it with the one-upmanship. Someone raises the bar and all of a sudden every character needs to best it.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 7, 2017 2:20:00 GMT
With Marvel characters, movies, and publications, the feeling I get from consuming that material is a visceral thrill - like being on a roller coaster - you get that trippy feeling in your stomach that comes from being able to place yourself in the scenarios more readily. You feel what the characters feel. And, briefly, you get to live vicariously through Spider-Man as he swings down Fifth Avenue or the Black Widow as she rides a massive beast of a motorcycle through a crowded urban area like a boss. With DC characters, and I'm speaking strictly for myself, I feel like I'm being held at arm's length when reading about those characters or watching those movies. You are meant to revere those characters as they stand above you on a pedestal performing god-like actions. It's as if someone were reciting from an ancient chronicle and you were meant to go "Owww" and "Ahhh" with each new herculean feat Superman or Batman pulls off. And if that's what you're into - hey - I dig it, man. It just isn't for me. The images of Superman hovering grandly above "flood-victim" family turned me off completely to that film. I never even bothered to watch another trailer and only saw the film after being dragged out by friends who thought it was a "masterpiece." Suffice it to say, I didn't agree. SaveSaveSaveSaveThis is also true with the fighting style that they use in the movies. DC uses highly stylized fights, lots of slow motions, grand moments, shockwaves, colossal battles... basically they make the fights seem larger than life, and it does keep you at arms length. Marvel uses grittier, more feral fighting choreography. Usually smaller scale but up close and personal. If DC is The Matrix, MCU is Bourne Identity. If DCEU is Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, MCU is Ong Bak and The Raid. Neither one is better than the other, it boils down to taste. Sometimes the fight choreography turns bad, for DCEU it ends up too distanced that you start getting bored - like the final fight in BvS. When MCU gets it wrong, it's too close that you have a hard time seeing what's happening, like Thor vs. Loki in the first movie. Sometimes they get it right: WW in no man's land (and in the village) and Cap vs. Bucky in the highway are prime examples of their peaks.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 7, 2017 3:05:55 GMT
With Marvel characters, movies, and publications, the feeling I get from consuming that material is a visceral thrill - like being on a roller coaster - you get that trippy feeling in your stomach that comes from being able to place yourself in the scenarios more readily. You feel what the characters feel. And, briefly, you get to live vicariously through Spider-Man as he swings down Fifth Avenue or the Black Widow as she rides a massive beast of a motorcycle through a crowded urban area like a boss. With DC characters, and I'm speaking strictly for myself, I feel like I'm being held at arm's length when reading about those characters or watching those movies. You are meant to revere those characters as they stand above you on a pedestal performing god-like actions. It's as if someone were reciting from an ancient chronicle and you were meant to go "Owww" and "Ahhh" with each new herculean feat Superman or Batman pulls off. And if that's what you're into - hey - I dig it, man. It just isn't for me. The images of Superman hovering grandly above "flood-victim" family turned me off completely to that film. I never even bothered to watch another trailer and only saw the film after being dragged out by friends who thought it was a "masterpiece." Suffice it to say, I didn't agree. SaveSaveSaveSaveThis is also true with the fighting style that they use in the movies. DC uses highly stylized fights, lots of slow motions, grand moments, shockwaves, colossal battles... basically they make the fights seem larger than life, and it does keep you at arms length. Marvel uses grittier, more feral fighting choreography. Usually smaller scale but up close and personal. If DC is The Matrix, MCU is Bourne Identity. If DCEU is Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, MCU is Ong Bak and The Raid. Neither one is better than the other, it boils down to taste. Sometimes the fight choreography turns bad, for DCEU it ends up too distanced that you start getting bored - like the final fight in BvS. When MCU gets it wrong, it's too close that you have a hard time seeing what's happening, like Thor vs. Loki in the first movie. Sometimes they get it right: WW in no man's land (and in the village) and Cap vs. Bucky in the highway are prime examples of their peaks. I hadn't considered the fighting styles. You're right; the MCU fight sequences are more visceral in tone, and the DCEU leans more towards hyper-stylized fights. I thought the fight sequences in Wonder Woman were extremely well crafted, but for my money, Bucky and Cap vs. German Special forces was unbelievable. I remember actually holding my breath when that grenade came through the window. Of course, it's all a matter of preference, and I'm not saying one style is better than the other. One of THEE best fight sequences in the entire genre is Sub Commander Faora-Ul handing Kal-El his ass in Man of Steel - IMO. SaveSave
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