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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 1, 2024 22:55:41 GMT
Who was gay? Or black?
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2024 23:30:30 GMT
This question is a non-sequitur. Our Lord Jesus Remained Chaste in Earth. As for race, He would Have Had Middle-Eastern Features, meaning that He would Have Had Arabic like Features. He Was not European (White).
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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 2, 2024 22:44:16 GMT
This question is a non-sequitur. Our Lord Jesus Remained Chaste in Earth. As for race, He would Have Had Middle-Eastern Features, meaning that He would Have Had Arabic like Features. He Was not European (White). Aside from you using non-sequitur incorrectly, I agree Jesus wasn't a white dude. Many Bibles portray a white Jesus, and in some circles to suggest otherwise is offensive. I also notice you left out answering the gay question. What if Jesus and St Peter were boyfriends?
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Post by clusium on Apr 3, 2024 4:03:36 GMT
This question is a non-sequitur. Our Lord Jesus Remained Chaste in Earth. As for race, He would Have Had Middle-Eastern Features, meaning that He would Have Had Arabic like Features. He Was not European (White). Aside from you using non-sequitur incorrectly, I agree Jesus wasn't a white dude. Many Bibles portray a white Jesus, and in some circles to suggest otherwise is offensive. I also notice you left out answering the gay question. What if Jesus and St Peter were boyfriends? Yes in art the Lord is often portrayed as White. But, that is primarily because artists usually portray the subjects in what they know or are familiar with, & Christianity was the predominant religion of Europe, which was the continent which produced the Caucasian (White) people. And I did address the gay question: The Lord Jesus Remained Chaste on Earth.
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 3, 2024 20:52:00 GMT
Technically you can be gay and chaste.
Unless I'm mistaken though, there's nothing in the Gospels to say Jesus actually was chaste. Which is where all these 'married to Mary Magdalene' theories spring from. Of course, there's no basis for these theories either.
I would say that Jesus' condemnation of lust and his demands that people leave their families to follow him suggest Jesus probably was celibate though that doesn't mean he was asexual.
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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 3, 2024 22:11:08 GMT
Aside from you using non-sequitur incorrectly, I agree Jesus wasn't a white dude. Many Bibles portray a white Jesus, and in some circles to suggest otherwise is offensive. I also notice you left out answering the gay question. What if Jesus and St Peter were boyfriends? Yes in art the Lord is often portrayed as White. But, that is primarily because artists usually portray the subjects in what they know or are familiar with, & Christianity was the predominant religion of Europe, which was the continent which produced the Caucasian (White) people. And I did address the gay question: The Lord Jesus Remained Chaste on Earth.That doesn't answer the gay question. As pointed out to you, being chaste or a vagabond is a measure of sexual activity not orientation. Also, you pointed out (very likely correctly) that Jesus wasn't white. You never stated if that He was middle eastern or black if it would bother you. I find it amusing how many of the theists have difficulty answering a question directly; usually they go off on a tangent. So if Jesus was gay or non-white, would you accept Him?
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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 3, 2024 22:15:49 GMT
Technically you can be gay and chaste. Unless I'm mistaken though, there's nothing in the Gospels to say Jesus actually was chaste. Which is where all these 'married to Mary Magdalene' theories spring from. Of course, there's no basis for these theories either. I would say that Jesus' condemnation of lust and his demands that people leave their families to follow him suggest Jesus probably was celibate though that doesn't mean he was asexual. For some reason the Gospels leave a lot out regarding his private life, other than basic info. Jesus himself never mentioned homosexuality or addressed race issues. That came decades later when many tried to make the savior political.
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Post by clusium on Apr 4, 2024 1:12:32 GMT
Yes in art the Lord is often portrayed as White. But, that is primarily because artists usually portray the subjects in what they know or are familiar with, & Christianity was the predominant religion of Europe, which was the continent which produced the Caucasian (White) people. And I did address the gay question: The Lord Jesus Remained Chaste on Earth.That doesn't answer the gay question. As pointed out to you, being chaste or a vagabond is a measure of sexual activity not orientation. Also, you pointed out (very likely correctly) that Jesus wasn't white. You never stated if that He was middle eastern or black if it would bother you. I find it amusing how many of the theists have difficulty answering a question directly; usually they go off on a tangent. So if Jesus was gay or non-white, would you accept Him? It's a moot point. Our Lord Remained Chaste & Celibate and not involved in any kind of romantic or erotic type of relationship whatsoever. When you think about it, what Our Lord's Views on same-sex relationships were Addressed, when He Responded to the religious leaders regarding divorce in St. Matthew chapter 19, verse 4: "Have you not read the scriptures? They record that in the Beginning GOD MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE."
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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 4, 2024 1:38:01 GMT
That doesn't answer the gay question. As pointed out to you, being chaste or a vagabond is a measure of sexual activity not orientation. Also, you pointed out (very likely correctly) that Jesus wasn't white. You never stated if that He was middle eastern or black if it would bother you. I find it amusing how many of the theists have difficulty answering a question directly; usually they go off on a tangent. So if Jesus was gay or non-white, would you accept Him? It's a moot point. Our Lord Remained Chaste & Celibate and not involved in any kind of romantic or erotic type of relationship whatsoever. When you think about it, what Our Lord's Views on same-sex relationships were Addressed, when He Responded to the religious leaders regarding divorce in St. Matthew chapter 19, verse 4: "Have you not read the scriptures? They record that in the Beginning GOD MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE." Just because the Bible doesn't mention his romantic life doesn't mean he didn't have one. The Gospels were written 50+ years after his death. The people he hung around were illiterate for the most part. In the Gospels there are the missing years of his childhood to about age 30. There was only a brief bit when he was about 12. This doesn't mean he went from infant to 12 to 30 in a day. For some reason, you are completely unable to give a straight yes or no to a simple question. I could ask you if it's sunny outside and you would give me the population growth of a country. What does divorce have to do with a gay or colored Jesus? Never mind, you can't give a straight answer.
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Post by clusium on Apr 4, 2024 1:46:10 GMT
It's a moot point. Our Lord Remained Chaste & Celibate and not involved in any kind of romantic or erotic type of relationship whatsoever. When you think about it, what Our Lord's Views on same-sex relationships were Addressed, when He Responded to the religious leaders regarding divorce in St. Matthew chapter 19, verse 4: "Have you not read the scriptures? They record that in the Beginning GOD MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE." Just because the Bible doesn't mention his romantic life doesn't mean he didn't have one. The Gospels were written 50+ years after his death. The people he hung around were illiterate for the most part. In the Gospels there are the missing years of his childhood to about age 30. There was only a brief bit when he was about 12. This doesn't mean he went from infant to 12 to 30 in a day. For some reason, you are completely unable to give a straight yes or no to a simple question. I could ask you if it's sunny outside and you would give me the population growth of a country. What does divorce have to do with a gay or colored Jesus? Never mind, you can't give a straight answer. I did give a straight answer. Your question is a non-sequitur. Sacred Scripture says that same-sex acts are sinful (Point of fact; Sacred Scripture also condemns opposite-sexual acts as sinful as well, if committed outside of marriage). Since you completely missed it, Christ Responded that God Created us male & female, thereby heterosexual orientation is the correct one, according to the Lord Jesus. As for skin colour: We all have the Same Heavenly Father, therefore we are all brothers & sisters regardless if we are White, Black, Oriental, etc. Despite the Lord Jesus Being portrayed as White in most works of art, He Would Have Had Arabic Features.
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Post by Fr Jack on Apr 4, 2024 20:01:15 GMT
Jesus loves and accepts me as I am.
He taught me to not judge others.
Of course I accept him whatever his skin colour and sexuality may have been 🙏
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Post by Hnefahogg on Apr 4, 2024 21:51:39 GMT
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Post by clusium on Apr 4, 2024 23:43:46 GMT
Who cares what Biden wants to do? I'm Canadian, not American.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2024 0:54:09 GMT
I would say that Jesus' condemnation of lust and his demands that people leave their families to follow him suggest Jesus probably was celibate though that doesn't mean he was asexual. I thought that was just for potential disciples, vetting out the ones who merely wanted the benefits of his ministry. What he was asking for meant a total and complete commitment that someone who pined for home would be unable to fulfill.
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Post by jimmyboy on Apr 5, 2024 1:35:36 GMT
Just because the Bible doesn't mention his romantic life doesn't mean he didn't have one. The Gospels were written 50+ years after his death. The people he hung around were illiterate for the most part. In the Gospels there are the missing years of his childhood to about age 30. There was only a brief bit when he was about 12. This doesn't mean he went from infant to 12 to 30 in a day. For some reason, you are completely unable to give a straight yes or no to a simple question. I could ask you if it's sunny outside and you would give me the population growth of a country. What does divorce have to do with a gay or colored Jesus? Never mind, you can't give a straight answer. I did give a straight answer. Your question is a non-sequitur. Sacred Scripture says that same-sex acts are sinful (Point of fact; Sacred Scripture also condemns opposite-sexual acts as sinful as well, if committed outside of marriage). Since you completely missed it, Christ Responded that God Created us male & female, thereby heterosexual orientation is the correct one, according to the Lord Jesus. As for skin colour: We all have the Same Heavenly Father, therefore we are all brothers & sisters regardless if we are White, Black, Oriental, etc. Despite the Lord Jesus Being portrayed as White in most works of art, He Would Have Had Arabic Features. Wow, I am truly surprised at your answer. You really do dance around the gay question. I saw earlier in one of your posts that you had a disability. I would never make fun of anyone with such a disability as you were born with it and it's very cruel to spout hateful remarks based on that. That said, people in glass houses should never toss rocks at others. You do. That's hypocrisy. I have a son and brother who are gay and I find your remarks very offensive. You hide behind religion to do it. Christianity is not a weapon to boost your ego at the expense of others.
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Post by Hnefahogg on Apr 5, 2024 7:56:40 GMT
Who cares what Biden wants to do? I'm Canadian, not American. I'm not American either but I understand that white is first and foremost an American notion and concept. I'm just saying that the US Census classifies White Americans as people with a background in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa. At least as of now.
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 5, 2024 9:39:38 GMT
I would say that Jesus' condemnation of lust and his demands that people leave their families to follow him suggest Jesus probably was celibate though that doesn't mean he was asexual. I thought that was just for potential disciples, vetting out the ones who merely wanted the benefits of his ministry. What he was asking for meant a total and complete commitment that someone who pined for home would be unable to fulfill. Yes, that's a fair assessment. But it would be odd for Jesus to ask total commitment from others if his own commitment wasn't total.
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 5, 2024 9:49:05 GMT
Middle Eastern and North African people are actually classified as Caucasian (white). Hasn't the concept of a caucasian race been pretty much debunked now?
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Post by clusium on Apr 5, 2024 14:54:31 GMT
I did give a straight answer. Your question is a non-sequitur. Sacred Scripture says that same-sex acts are sinful (Point of fact; Sacred Scripture also condemns opposite-sexual acts as sinful as well, if committed outside of marriage). Since you completely missed it, Christ Responded that God Created us male & female, thereby heterosexual orientation is the correct one, according to the Lord Jesus. As for skin colour: We all have the Same Heavenly Father, therefore we are all brothers & sisters regardless if we are White, Black, Oriental, etc. Despite the Lord Jesus Being portrayed as White in most works of art, He Would Have Had Arabic Features. Wow, I am truly surprised at your answer. You really do dance around the gay question. I saw earlier in one of your posts that you had a disability. I would never make fun of anyone with such a disability as you were born with it and it's very cruel to spout hateful remarks based on that. That said, people in glass houses should never toss rocks at others. You do. That's hypocrisy. I have a son and brother who are gay and I find your remarks very offensive. You hide behind religion to do it. Christianity is not a weapon to boost your ego at the expense of others. I didn't dance around anything. I said right from the beginning that this question was a non-sequitur. Now, what have I said about gay people that you find offensive?
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Post by Hnefahogg on Apr 5, 2024 14:54:51 GMT
Middle Eastern and North African people are actually classified as Caucasian (white). Hasn't the concept of a caucasian race been pretty much debunked now? Well, I think most scientists today believe that there are no human races because human genetic variation is too small compared to animals and humans are too new of a species. Ergo they think of old terms such as Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Negroid etc to be obsolete and pseudo-science. With that being said and as small as human genetic variation might be, Middle Easterners and North Africans are a lot closer to Europeans compared to "other races": faculty.scs.illinois.edu/~mcdonald/PCA84pops.html
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