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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 26, 2024 3:46:28 GMT
How so? Out of all the T2 followups, Dark Fate felt like the most faithful as a direct continuation, and James Cameron seemed the most involved and passionate about it too.
T3 and Genisys if anything would be the disrespectful ones. They're fun but are more like fan fiction, especially Genisys which does ridiculous things to the lore. They never really bothered me as I see them as fun "what if" type movies. I did not finish Terminator 2 wanting a sequel where John Connor dies in the opening scene and is replaced by a Latino girl that can tackle a Terminator, where a t-800 makes drapes, and where Sarah Connor somehow is able to destroy Terminators without a sweat and claims they only thought she was important because of her womb Well put, I agree with you. Believe it or not, the idea of John Connor dying in a Terminator 2 sequel had been considered a few times in the development of earlier movies, in one version of Terminator: Salvation Connor would have died, and Sam Worthington's Marcus Wright would have essentially taken over his identity through surgery and would go on to becoming the John Connor of legend, while the actual one could only go so far.
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Post by Roberto on Apr 26, 2024 5:42:24 GMT
How so? Out of all the T2 followups, Dark Fate felt like the most faithful as a direct continuation, and James Cameron seemed the most involved and passionate about it too. T3 and Genisys if anything would be the disrespectful ones. They're fun but are more like fan fiction, especially Genisys which does ridiculous things to the lore. They never really bothered me as I see them as fun "what if" type movies. I did not finish Terminator 2 wanting a sequel where John Connor dies in the opening scene and is replaced by a Latino girl that can tackle a Terminator, where a t-800 makes drapes, and where Sarah Connor somehow is able to destroy Terminators without a sweat and claims they only thought she was important because of her womb The opening scene is the only thing that can be seen as disrespectful. The rest of those arguments are ridiculous, and I don't know what peoples gender or race has anything to do with anything. You lost me there.
It was a weird opening scene for sure. I'm not against the idea to kill John Connor, but having his CGI self appear the same as he did in T2 suggesting he died soon after T2 was a mistake. Why they did that I have no idea. Could be seen as disrespect to the character/actor, or maybe it was unintentional. 
As for the movie of course it doesn't compare to the first two. I'm sure if you combined the best of Dark Fate and T3 you could make a better movie, one where John and Sarah are both in it, ideally with Edward Furlong but they never seemed keen to bring him back so I don't know. But for now with what "Terminator 3s" we have, it may be the best we will get for a while, and the one that would be my choice for a followup.
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Post by Archelaus on Apr 26, 2024 5:52:41 GMT
Superman III craps all over the epicness of the first two films. Aside from the pre-titles sequence, Diamonds Are Forever is a parody, far different in tone from its previous installment, On Her Majesty's Secret Service which was fairly serious-minded and tragic. I donβt know, the junkyard fight was pretty epic. In my honest opinion, it takes more than one good scene to salvage a bad film.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 26, 2024 6:05:42 GMT
I agree, the ending just undoes Woody's character and the themes of the previous installments, but if Woody had to move on and leave his friends with their new owner, wouldn't it have made more sense for Buzz Lightyear to be the new "sheriff", and not Jessie? I do not recall her doing enough to warrant the badge.Β They really did Buzz dirty in general. Him having to have the concept of *thinking* explained to him, after 2 showed him pretty competently leading a search party... smh. I honestly suspect it was some kind of middle finger to Tim Allen for being a Trumpster.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 26, 2024 6:16:20 GMT
How so? Out of all the T2 followups, Dark Fate felt like the most faithful as a direct continuation, and James Cameron seemed the most involved and passionate about it too.
T3 and Genisys if anything would be the disrespectful ones. They're fun but are more like fan fiction, especially Genisys which does ridiculous things to the lore. They never really bothered me as I see them as fun "what if" type movies. I did not finish Terminator 2 wanting a sequel where John Connor dies in the opening scene and is replaced by a Latino girl that can tackle a Terminator, where a t-800 makes drapes, and where Sarah Connor somehow is able to destroy Terminators without a sweat and claims they only thought she was important because of her womb Did you want one where John is preprogrammed into a Terminator himself? Or one where he plays second fiddle to the boring guy from Avatar? Or one where he bitches and moans the whole time while getting high off dog tranqs and telling his future wife she reminds him of his mother? The character has been shat on for 20 years, it's just that now everything is framed through the Culture War. I just looked at DF as yet another timeline and rolled with it. I will agree the Sarah Conner womb stuff was annoying and felt like Cameron apologizing for something no one accused him of in the first place.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Apr 26, 2024 7:38:06 GMT
How so? Out of all the T2 followups, Dark Fate felt like the most faithful as a direct continuation, and James Cameron seemed the most involved and passionate about it too.
T3 and Genisys if anything would be the disrespectful ones. They're fun but are more like fan fiction, especially Genisys which does ridiculous things to the lore. They never really bothered me as I see them as fun "what if" type movies. Killing off John Conner right away and replacing him with a girl whos fate is pretty much the same as Johns was. It just seemed like a pointless exercise to switch genders.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 26, 2024 21:34:14 GMT
I agree, the ending just undoes Woody's character and the themes of the previous installments, but if Woody had to move on and leave his friends with their new owner, wouldn't it have made more sense for Buzz Lightyear to be the new "sheriff", and not Jessie? I do not recall her doing enough to warrant the badge. They really did Buzz dirty in general. Him having to have the concept of *thinking* explained to him, after 2 showed him pretty competently leading a search party... smh. I honestly suspect it was some kind of middle finger to Tim Allen for being a Trumpster. For what it's worth, I did find his scenes with Key and Peele amusing.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 26, 2024 21:35:42 GMT
I donβt know, the junkyard fight was pretty epic. In my honest opinion, it takes more than one good scene to salvage a bad film. Can we all agree that Annette O'Toole was a good Lana Lang and had good chemistry with Reeve?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 26, 2024 22:05:42 GMT
They really did Buzz dirty in general. Him having to have the concept of *thinking* explained to him, after 2 showed him pretty competently leading a search party... smh. I honestly suspect it was some kind of middle finger to Tim Allen for being a Trumpster. For what it's worth, I did find his scenes with Key and Peele amusing.Β I don't even remember them. I think the Spork was the only positive I'd give it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 26, 2024 22:29:38 GMT
For what it's worth, I did find his scenes with Key and Peele amusing. I don't even remember them. I think the Spork was the only positive I'd give it. I would say so, too. Interesting character and good performance by Tony Hale.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 26, 2024 22:47:51 GMT
I don't even remember them. I think the Spork was the only positive I'd give it. I would say so, too. Interesting character and good performance by Tony Hale.Β It was the only really new concept in the movie. It was also insane to see a suicidal character in a children's animated movie, played for laughs no less. I hated the villain doll and how she not only gets off the hook at the end but gets handed what she wants. Back to Woody abandoning his values, it was also weird having him neglected by his owner after that moving speech from Andy to her in 3. The third movie was always going to be undercut by an unnecessary sequel, but that was just going out of their way to fuck it up. I don't understand why this and Incredibles II didn't just acknowledge the years between films and do a time jump. Have them with a new owner altogether. Woody's actions might have made more sense.
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Post by Archelaus on Apr 26, 2024 23:55:12 GMT
In my honest opinion, it takes more than one good scene to salvage a bad film. Can we all agree that Annette O'Toole was a good Lana Lang and had good chemistry with Reeve? Yes.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Apr 28, 2024 7:35:00 GMT
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
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