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Post by Admin on May 14, 2024 6:57:33 GMT
Wars and killing happen for other reasons as well, and most of our laws are negotiable depending on the circumstances. You can kill in self defense, for example, or run a red light to make way for an ambulance. In that clip, he was citing laws written for a different people in a different time, and as such, the point would only be valid if she were a Levite living in 1300 BC. He may as well have called her a hypocrite for supporting laws against murder while chewing gum in a classroom. I love George Carlin. Been a fan for many years. His jokes were sometimes downright hilarious, but the points he tried to make with them were often weak, especially when it came to religion and politics. His last few performances tanked because he was trying to make more serious points than silly jokes. As it comes to the rules written eg for, and by Levite in 1300 bc, doesn’t they say in Encarta culture is the way of keeping them alive trough the ages ? From the past to present times. The encyclopedia? Beats me. I never read it.
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Post by transfuged on May 14, 2024 7:09:56 GMT
As it comes to the rules written eg for, and by Levite in 1300 bc, doesn’t they say in Encarta culture is the way of keeping them alive trough the ages ? From the past to present times. The encyclopedia? Beats me. I never read it. Carpe diem and gaudeamus igitur. General Background. Special details : just before lockdown, I had a brand new passport, no phone, no internet, no TV, just a radio, a computer, (and a cat and an agenda of traveling abroad). I read the encyclopedia, copied and pasted it, looked up and compared all the references with the books in my library. Must admit I would not have done this without lockdown.
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Post by Admin on May 14, 2024 7:14:26 GMT
The encyclopedia? Beats me. I never read it. Carpe diem and gaudeamus igitur. General Background. Special details : just before lockdown, I had a brand new passport, no phone, no internet, no TV, just a radio, a computer, (and a cat and an agenda of traveling abroad). I read the encyclopedia, copied and pasted it, looked up and compared all the references with the books in my library. Must admit I would not have done this without lockdown. Oh. Well in that case, I'll take your word for it. Does it also explain how culture keeps Levitical Law alive?
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Post by transfuged on May 14, 2024 7:21:49 GMT
Carpe diem and gaudeamus igitur. General Background. Special details : just before lockdown, I had a brand new passport, no phone, no internet, no TV, just a radio, a computer, (and a cat and an agenda of traveling abroad). I read the encyclopedia, copied and pasted it, looked up and compared all the references with the books in my library. Must admit I would not have done this without lockdown. Oh. Well in that case, I'll take your word for it. Does it also explain how culture keeps Levitical Law alive? Is there someone, something, somewhere that gives an actual definition of ”culture” ? As for Encarta, one article doest restrict ”posh culture” to plays, classic music, novels. Popular culture definition refers to an obscure list, counter culture to some others in the same obscure way, Nietsche being one of them.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 14, 2024 19:08:45 GMT
Thank you but the cynic still wonders.
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Post by transfuged on May 16, 2024 0:31:32 GMT
Thank you but the cynic still wonders. The expanse of equality and freedom, that’s what you beg to differ ? You mean there’s no growing demand of order, from the citizen ?
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 16, 2024 19:33:55 GMT
The expanse [sic] of equality and freedom, that’s what you beg to differ ? I think here you mean [at the] expense or cost, of equality and freedom. If you do then I would agree that, generally speaking, the more one is regulated the less freedom one has. True equality though can also be the result of progressive changes in the law (EG Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the later Amendment, or the rights of women in various countries etc. It depends where your politics is on the authoritarian spectrum, I imagine. But you will need to substantiate an overall demand for order (by this one assumes you still mean more rules and regulation). None of the above relates to my noting the possible views of a cynic that rules and regulations within a religion are nearly always written for the benefit of gatekeepers. For instance for a long time in the UK it was forbidden to read or write the Bible in the vernacular..
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Post by jimmyboy on May 16, 2024 22:56:58 GMT
If someone tried to follow these rules in the video, they would find themselves in a lot of legal trouble in many first world countries. In some rigidly religious ones, they would be encouraged. What I enjoyed about the video is the cherry picking miss tight ass does. I notice that he didn't chastise her for following the "don't kill" rule. Who's the real cherry picker here? That's the weird thing....one of the Commandments say "don't kill", but as pointed out in the video (referencing the Bible) it has people that should be put to death for: - working on the sabbath - planting different crops side by side - wearing a cotton & polyester shirt Interesting contradiction.....
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Post by transfuged on May 16, 2024 23:59:44 GMT
The expanse [sic] of equality and freedom, that’s what you beg to differ ? I think here you mean [at the] expense or cost, of equality and freedom. If you do then I would agree that, generally speaking, the more one is regulated the less freedom one has. True equality though can also be the result of progressive changes in the law (EG Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation and the later Amendment, or the rights of women in various countries etc. It depends where your politics is on the authoritarian spectrum, I imagine. But you will need to substantiate an overall demand for order (by this one assumes you still mean more rules and regulation). None of the above relates to my noting the possible views of a cynic that rules and regulations within a religion are nearly always written for the benefit of gatekeepers. For instance for a long time in the UK it was forbidden to read or write the Bible in the vernacular.. And suddenly I recall it’s not the history board, or I would have posted about Septime Severe. He was intent on the gatekeeper’s well being, that one. He also was accused of being a chrisian hater. but oh well.
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Post by The Lost One on May 17, 2024 9:21:08 GMT
I notice that he didn't chastise her for following the "don't kill" rule. Who's the real cherry picker here? That's the weird thing....one of the Commandments say "don't kill", but as pointed out in the video (referencing the Bible) it has people that should be put to death for: - working on the sabbath - planting different crops side by side - wearing a cotton & polyester shirt Interesting contradiction..... I think the commandment is more accurately 'do not murder' so killing in battle or as punishment for breaking the Law is presumably ok. Of course, the Golden Rule would seem to forbid killing for any reason except maybe euthanasia.
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Post by amyghost on May 17, 2024 11:38:49 GMT
That's the weird thing....one of the Commandments say "don't kill", but as pointed out in the video (referencing the Bible) it has people that should be put to death for: - working on the sabbath - planting different crops side by side - wearing a cotton & polyester shirt Interesting contradiction..... I think the commandment is more accurately 'do not murder' so killing in battle or as punishment for breaking the Law is presumably ok. Of course, the Golden Rule would seem to forbid killing for any reason except maybe euthanasia. The 'murder/kill' distinction has been made for years, providing a handy outlet for getting around that Thou Shalt Not thing that perturbs the more squeamish believer...to my way of thinking, dead is dead, but I have a feeling that God is rather more legalistic in his parsing out of terminologies.
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Post by transfuged on May 17, 2024 19:36:34 GMT
That's the weird thing....one of the Commandments say "don't kill", but as pointed out in the video (referencing the Bible) it has people that should be put to death for: - working on the sabbath - planting different crops side by side - wearing a cotton & polyester shirt Interesting contradiction..... I think the commandment is more accurately 'do not murder' so killing in battle or as punishment for breaking the Law is presumably ok. Of course, the Golden Rule would seem to forbid killing for any reason except maybe euthanasia. I suspect it’s a matter of translation. In my language, the translation says thou shall not kill, not thou shall not ”murder”. The penal code calls taking one’s life homicide, murder or assassination, depending whether the perpetrator acted in a deliberate way or scheduled or death occurred without purpose... Almost sure religion does not discriminate in the same way. In the Saga, ’mord’ is the equivalent of ’murder’, punished with the highest sentence of banishment, the one where anyone can kill the convict and get away with it, or even get the right to be back when the convict is killed by another one. In German to kill is said töten, when ”tot” is the word for dead, murder is ’mord’, assassination is ermordet.
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Post by Admin on May 17, 2024 20:20:17 GMT
I notice that he didn't chastise her for following the "don't kill" rule. Who's the real cherry picker here? That's the weird thing....one of the Commandments say "don't kill", but as pointed out in the video (referencing the Bible) it has people that should be put to death for: - working on the sabbath - planting different crops side by side - wearing a cotton & polyester shirt Interesting contradiction..... Considering that life feeds on life, killing is necessary for survival. But if we don't eat, we kill ourselves. Clearly it's not a one-size-fits-all rule. As for the alleged contradiction, it's against the law to run a red light, but it's also against the law to not run a red light if the authorities tell you to do so. Same yo-yo, different string.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on May 17, 2024 22:16:52 GMT
I think the commandment is more accurately 'do not murder' so killing in battle or as punishment for breaking the Law is presumably ok. Of course, the Golden Rule would seem to forbid killing for any reason except maybe euthanasia. The 'murder/kill' distinction has been made for years, providing a handy outlet for getting around that Thou Shalt Not thing that perturbs the more squeamish believer...to my way of thinking, dead is dead, but I have a feeling that God is rather more legalistic in his parsing out of terminologies. As has been discussed before, the issue here quickly becomes one of a perceieved moral hypocrisy, both of God and His apologists, when the deity condemns murder and yet, on several occasions, instigates or sanctions genocide and the mass killings of men, women, and children.
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Post by jimmyboy on May 18, 2024 20:21:42 GMT
That's the weird thing....one of the Commandments say "don't kill", but as pointed out in the video (referencing the Bible) it has people that should be put to death for: - working on the sabbath - planting different crops side by side - wearing a cotton & polyester shirt Interesting contradiction..... Considering that life feeds on life, killing is necessary for survival. But if we don't eat, we kill ourselves. Clearly it's not a one-size-fits-all rule. As for the alleged contradiction, it's against the law to run a red light, but it's also against the law to not run a red light if the authorities tell you to do so. Same yo-yo, different string. Yes, not everything is black and white; something some theists should recognize. Life has shades of grey. As for the contradiction, comparing following a traffic rule and the decision to kill things is tight.
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Post by Admin on May 18, 2024 20:27:05 GMT
Considering that life feeds on life, killing is necessary for survival. But if we don't eat, we kill ourselves. Clearly it's not a one-size-fits-all rule. As for the alleged contradiction, it's against the law to run a red light, but it's also against the law to not run a red light if the authorities tell you to do so. Same yo-yo, different string. Yes, not everything is black and white; something some theists should recognize. Life has shades of grey. As for the contradiction, comparing following a traffic rule and the decision to kill things is tight. Does life have shades of grey...or not? I don't know about "tight," but definitely valid.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 30, 2024 8:08:14 GMT
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Post by jimmyboy on Jun 4, 2024 23:03:44 GMT
The ones in my OP and mentioned in this video below. Martin Sheen lists a whole bunch to the female "tight ass". I should have had me some daughters that I could sell in to slavery...LOL. Oh, those rules. You're right; they are dated and don't need to be followed...unless you're a Levite living in 1300 BC. Did you notice miss tight ass was eating crab cakes? No eating shelled seafood...bad as pork.
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Post by jimmyboy on Jun 4, 2024 23:05:21 GMT
Yes, not everything is black and white; something some theists should recognize. Life has shades of grey. As for the contradiction, comparing following a traffic rule and the decision to kill things is tight. Does life have shades of grey...or not? I don't know about "tight," but definitely valid. I would say yes. The Ungrateful Dead once sang that every silver lining has a touch of grey.
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Post by Admin on Jun 5, 2024 1:02:24 GMT
Oh, those rules. You're right; they are dated and don't need to be followed...unless you're a Levite living in 1300 BC. Did you notice miss tight ass was eating crab cakes? No eating shelled seafood...bad as pork. Did you notice she's not a Levite living in 1300 BC?
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